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NakedMoleRat
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According to Avengers MCU lore, Bruce was trying to unlock another super solder with gamma radiation.
What happened wasn’t what was expected. He considered it a colossal mistake.
He spent years trying to control the beast and not become the Hulk.
He spent years trying to reverse the process and get rid of the Hulk.
He moved to a third world country to help others to atone for what he’d done as the Hulk.
When crises came, he had to once again become the Hulk to save the world.
He still struggled with the Hulk.
For two years he took a backseat to the Hulk.
He finally reconciled and realized that the Hulk was in fact, another side of him.
He and the Hulk learned to merge and exist together.
Yeah, catcalling is way worse that all of that.
What happened wasn’t what was expected. He considered it a colossal mistake.
He spent years trying to control the beast and not become the Hulk.
He spent years trying to reverse the process and get rid of the Hulk.
He moved to a third world country to help others to atone for what he’d done as the Hulk.
When crises came, he had to once again become the Hulk to save the world.
He still struggled with the Hulk.
For two years he took a backseat to the Hulk.
He finally reconciled and realized that the Hulk was in fact, another side of him.
He and the Hulk learned to merge and exist together.
Yeah, catcalling is way worse that all of that.
Laspector
Master Member
I think he would have every right in the world to tell her how to do it. Bruce, more than anyone, knows that being a Hulk is to possibly be one of the most destructive forces the planet has ever seen. Think of it in context to the story. She has just become this thing. No one, not even her, has any idea what could set her off on a rampage. She could literally kill millions if left unchecked. You don't just walk up to an Atomic bomb and say "Oh, figure it out yourself."
I say her being offended be damned! He's thinking of the safety of the planet and she's worried about construction workers whistling at her.
Picard102
Sr Member
Who said that?
joberg
Legendary Member
Two different experiences can both be right
His feelings cannot be compared and felt by her and hers cannot be compared and felt by him...That doesn't mean they are to be dismissed by both parties because their understanding/experience is coming from another point of view (female vs male).
Again: there's no equality...just opportunity because, in the end, we're all alone grappling with our un -transferrable feelings.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Again, I'm not saying he was ill intentioned. He was acting in the way that his experience told him was necessary.
But his experience didn't apply to her situation, therefore his reaction was wrong. He had incomplete information upon which to base his decision. Every person on the planet has made an assumption and acted upon it and found out afterward that they went about it the wrong way.
To paraphrase my favorite captain, it is possible to make the right decisions and still lose. While the situation didn't exactly have winners and losers, once it became clear that Jennifer did not require Bruce's guidance in the area of controlling her transformations or emotions, it was then clear that he was wrong to force that guidance upon her.
JPH
Sr Member
joberg
Legendary Member
It's just that we (men & women) forget, easily, the fact that we're complement of each other! One is no better/worse than the other.
It works in stand-up and chick flick movies; but at the end of the day we need each other!
Is this the scene? Or is there another I'm missing... (I've only watched the once)
I dunno... Seems to me Bruce is putting his issues with anger on her. He's assuming her "Hulk" works the same as his...
He's been through a lot - took years to control it... then see's his cousin turns green, and assumes that she too has to spend years figuring out how to control the Hulk... clearly her exposure is different... she's "smart Hulk" out of the gates...
And he's pushing his need to use his Hulk abilities to save the world on her... when she just wants to be a lawyer.... he's making her do this anger controlling stuff when she clearly has different responses to anger than he does - and obviously doesn't lack control like he did pre-Smart Hulk.
So why wouldn't she get annoyed?
How people are turning this into "HEY! I'm BETTER than you and could have killed Thanos cuz I get cat-called" is COMPLETELY bonkers.
I'm offended.
Deeply.
This show doesn't realistically address those who suffer from gamma ray radiation poisoning. They suffer far worse than having a temper tantrum. They are the real heroes. We should celebrate them every March 17th by wearing green and having a pint in their honor.
Deeply.
This show doesn't realistically address those who suffer from gamma ray radiation poisoning. They suffer far worse than having a temper tantrum. They are the real heroes. We should celebrate them every March 17th by wearing green and having a pint in their honor.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
There are enough drunks out on my birthday without adding to it. Maybe we can just have green cupcakes.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Hmmm there have been a lot of great comments on both sides of the issue. It’s the reason why the RFP is the only site I’ve stuck with for 20 years.
It’s made me think about it again, from the other point of view than the one I initially had.
Now I’m thinking it’s even more basic than I had originally overthought it.
Bruce assumed that she was unprepared for what was awaiting her, and that she needed a sensei to ‘guide’ her on the journey that he was now indisposed to lay out for her as he was the time tested and tempered Hulk.
She was ambitious and felt that ‘I’ve got this’ and that she didn’t need any guidance on this new course, because her life experiences have already prepared her for it. Therefore, she needed nothing from him and devalued anything that he had to offer.
They were both being jerks!
It’s made me think about it again, from the other point of view than the one I initially had.
Now I’m thinking it’s even more basic than I had originally overthought it.
Bruce assumed that she was unprepared for what was awaiting her, and that she needed a sensei to ‘guide’ her on the journey that he was now indisposed to lay out for her as he was the time tested and tempered Hulk.
She was ambitious and felt that ‘I’ve got this’ and that she didn’t need any guidance on this new course, because her life experiences have already prepared her for it. Therefore, she needed nothing from him and devalued anything that he had to offer.
They were both being jerks!
BEST TAKE YET.
You saw what was presented in the show & judged both character's words & deeds by the context of just that, all without projecting personal crap on it. Thank you for posting something worth reading on here...Sincerely.
JPH
Sr Member
Yup ! That's the scene.
The scene where someone who has been a Hulk for years, who probably never thought he would fight a Huge Wolf on Asgard or have to snap half the universe back into existence, is told by a brand new Hulk , that she can control her anger infinitely better because she has been "catcalled", and lectured by incompetent men.
*SIGH*
Way to put everything in perspective!
Because saving half the universe can be accomplished by anyone with six-figure loan debt, right?
*FACEPALM*
Yeah, the person who drove her car off the road when an alien ship appeared, and almost got everyone killed.
READY FOR ANYTHING ...Anything....anything
Just a heads up, Hulks are fueled by rage. So yeah, learning to control anger is ...y'know, like super important.
But they're not talking about any of that... He's pushing her to learn to control her anger so she can be a hero...
And she's saying "I don't want to be a hero, and I have been controlling my anger my entire life, so I don't need to figure out how to... STOP BADGERING ME AND LET ME GO HOME."
Maybe I'm missing something from the comics (which shouldn't matter...) But Banner has stated he has anger issues "I'm always angry..." and she clearly DOESN'T.... cuz she learned to control them ages ago. And her Hulk clearly isn't affected like his is. He had to make himself smart hulk... he has a wrist thing controlling him back to human...
That doesn't make him less a hero... if anything that just gives her less of a "fatal flaw"... her fatal flaw seems to be not taking advice and rejecting her destiny....
To me he just seems to be pushing his flaws on her... Like an alcoholic telling me I need to cut down on my weed and drinking cuz that's how he lost his job...
I'm in the entertainment industry... weed and drinking helps me in my job.
Doesn't mean I'm better than him, our stories with sobriety are just different.
JPH
Sr Member
Actually they ARE.
He is pushing her to control her anger because she can raze a building if she loses control. She can kill people if she claps her hands too hard !!!
She couldn't control anything when she drove her car off the road
Bruce found out the hard way about his strength and anger, he doesn't want her to live with that. Like a seasoned Hulk wouldnt be a complete douche to just let her do whatever she wants?
His past makes Bruce the IDEAL individual to educate her. It is absolute justification for him to teach her. He is perfect for the role. But the woke checkbox is that he cant teach her anything and she is already overprepared just by being a woman.
She just wants to go home and be a lawyer. That didnt work out too well.
Catcalled vs saved the universe.
Hulks are fueled by anger, and she can control her anger "infinitely better." --that somehow *doesn't* mean she *thinks* she can be a better anger-fueled Hulk? Infinitely better?
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