Disney + | She-Hulk

JPH said:
Actually they ARE.

He is pushing her to control her anger because she can raze a building if she loses control. She can kill people if she claps her hands too hard !!!

She couldn't control anything when she drove her car off the road

Bruce found out the hard way about his strength and anger, he doesn't want her to live with that. Like a seasoned Hulk wouldnt be a complete douche to just let her do whatever she wants?

His past makes Bruce the IDEAL individual to educate her. It is absolute justification for him to teach her. He is perfect for the role. But the woke checkbox is that he cant teach her anything and she is already overprepared just by being a woman.

She just wants to go home and be a lawyer. That didnt work out too well.

Catcalled vs saved the universe.

Hulks are fueled by anger, and she can control her anger "infinitely better." --that somehow *doesn't* mean she *thinks* she can be a better anger-fueled Hulk? Infinitely better?
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He is pushing her to control her anger when she DOESN'T HAVE THE CONTROL ISSUES HE HAS.

Not once since turning Hulk did she tear that island apart... or attack him.

He turned in Avengers and went after Black Widow... IMMEDIATELY.

HULK , as far as Jennifer should be concerned, attacked HER with SAWS in a sealed prison and she didn't even touch him after.

She is not in the same situation, CLEARLY, and he's imposing his experiences on her.


BTW, driving your car off the road when confronted by an alien ship for the first time in your life is not a rage control issue.

And "Woke check box"? :rolleyes:
 
Psab keel said:
Stubbornness is a flaw. Rejecting your destiny is not.
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To be fair... I knew that didn't make sense how I wrote it... but I posted anyway, heh.

But I'm guessing they're setting up that Bruce's big life he thinks she should have is going to be a big part of her story - and their relationship... She doesn't want the superhero life, and likely accepting it will be the finale to her whole thing... cuz I'm guessing they'll want her punching Kang or something down the line.

Which is the only reason I'm even half watching this. I'm arguing the scene - cuz it's just weird this is the big talking point, but the show is doing nothing for me, :lol:.
 
NeoRutty said:
He is pushing her to control her anger when she DOESN'T HAVE THE CONTROL ISSUES HE HAS.

Not once since turning Hulk did she tear that island apart... or attack him.

He turned in Avengers and went after Black Widow... IMMEDIATELY.

HULK , as far as Jennifer should be concerned, attacked HER with SAWS in a sealed prison and she didn't even touch him after.

She is not in the same situation, CLEARLY, and he's imposing his experiences on her.


BTW, driving your car off the road when confronted by an alien ship for the first time in your life is not a rage control issue.

And "Woke check box"? :rolleyes:
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He has been a Hulk for YEARS! She has been one for a few days. That is how you get experience. Time. Edit
You dont get that?

She didnt blow out the side of a cliff? Help destroy a bar? Changed with an airhorn. If she has a nightmare, goodbye hotel room and probably goodbye hotel.

And driving your car off the road is, by definition, a control issue.

I am glad to see the "infinitely better" checkbox isnt even considered defensible anymore. ;)
 
JPH said:
He has been a Hulk for YEARS! She has been one for a few days. That is how you get experience.
You dont get that?

She didnt blow out the side of a cliff? Help destroy a bar? Changed with an airhorn. If she has a nightmare, goodbye hotel room and probably goodbye hotel.

And driving your car off the road is, by definition, a control issue.

I am glad to see the "infinitely better" checkbox isnt even considered defensible anymore. ;)
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You don't get that they are pushing "CONFLICT"?

It's clearly worked since her not wanting to listen to him has people up in arms... like they've never ever ignored their parents experienced advice cuz they believed they knew better.

How boring would a show be if he was like "You're a Hulk! Now listen to me"

And for the next 3 episodes she listens to everything he says, lives on the island with him and joins the Avengers.

If I listened to my mentor I wouldn't be on the RPF trying to kill the day cuz I agreed to edit a preschool show... :mad:

Forget Woke Check Box... try "Standards and Practices for Preschoolers"
 
NeoRutty said:
You don't get that they are pushing "CONFLICT"?

It's clearly worked since her not wanting to listen to him has people up in arms... like they've never ever ignored their parents experienced advice cuz they believed they knew better.

How boring would a show be if he was like "You're a Hulk! Now listen to me"

And for the next 3 episodes she listens to everything he says, lives on the island with him and joins the Avengers.

If I listened to my mentor I wouldn't be on the RPF trying to kill the day cuz I agreed to edit a preschool show... :mad:

Forget Woke Check Box... try "Standards and Practices for Preschoolers"
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Thank goodness I answered this three pages ago ;)

JPH said:
Once the "I can do it infinitely better than you," checkbox got clicked, people who liked it will defend it.

...There is no valid argument against such a self-absorbed statement, just a wandering baseline of conflicting arguments searching for traction.

Trying to sell something

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Just typing out loud here, I’m wondering if the reason she is able to suppress her anger, turn into Hulk whenever she chooses to, and is instantly smart hulk, is because she was infected with Bruce’s blood after he had already achieved all of those things himself. Sort of like getting a car, putting new tires on it, getting it tuned up, and then giving the keys to somebody else.
 
NakedMoleRat said:
Just typing out loud here, I’m wondering if the reason she is able to suppress her anger, turn into Hulk whenever she chooses to, and is instantly smart hulk, is because she was infected with Bruce’s blood after he had already achieved all of those things himself. Sort of like getting a car, putting new tires on it, getting it tuned up, and then giving the keys to somebody else.
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That's how I took it...

I think that's how it's meant to be taken... :unsure:
 
NakedMoleRat said:
Just typing out loud here, I’m wondering if the reason she is able to suppress her anger, turn into Hulk whenever she chooses to, and is instantly smart hulk, is because she was infected with Bruce’s blood after he had already achieved all of those things himself. Sort of like getting a car, putting new tires on it, getting it tuned up, and then giving the keys to somebody else.
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I took it to be because he has DID, and she doesn't.
She has no "other guy" because she didn't have one before becoming a Hulk, unlike Bruce.
 
JPH said:
EXACTLY!!!



Except she is being PRAISED for her comment. This thread has plenty of people supporting her for "putting Bruce in his place.".

Ultimately, there are two choices here: 1) An inability to comprehend what Bruce has gone through, so significantly beyond anything she has ever experienced, that it gets normalized.

or

2) So invested in the absurd, woke, out-of-touch message, that a cognitive dissonance kicks in.

I cringe to wonder what *COULD* she have said that *would* make her defenders finally realize how broken that scene was. It wasn't a stake in the ground to build a relatable foundation for a good tv series, it was a nail in the coffin.

Shutting down free advice from someone who Saved the universe because you have been catcalled is like arguing a firecracker is more destructive than a supernova... a terrible hill to die on

And I am stressing that once scene but, the show, from the very first scene, has been on that track.
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See, I more or less agree with much of what you're saying. However, my take on this is that she is over-confident (maybe to the point of some denial) at that point, and in her mind, she is thinking she will probably not even be the She-Hulk much at all going forward. She is a bit full of herself (maybe as a defense mechanism?), but she is also going through some things and still figuring out all these changes that are coming at her really fast, and how it will affect her life going forward. Bruce is probably presuming (not for nothing) that her experience will be more like his than it actually will -- he is, after all, the only other Hulk and has years of experience at being so. Some of his presumptions are wrong, but it is still a logical starting point. And he is taking any implied insult with grace because he has learned to control himself, but also because he knows she is going through some things and that neither he nor she even know what they don't know yet -- and because she is family and he obviously cares about her. So he feels much less insulted than some of us might be, and presume he would or should be. He is giving her some grace.

SSB
 
sbaxter said:
See, I more or less agree with much of what you're saying. However, my take on this is that she is over-confident (maybe to the point of some denial) at that point, and in her mind, she is thinking she will probably not even be the She-Hulk much at all going forward. She is a bit full of herself (maybe as a defense mechanism?), but she is also going through some things and still figuring out all these changes that are coming at her really fast, and how it will affect her life going forward. Bruce is probably presuming (not for nothing) that her experience will be more like his than it actually will -- he is, after all, the only other Hulk and has years of experience at being so. Some of his presumptions are wrong, but it is still a logical starting point. And he is taking any implied insult with grace because he has learned to control himself, but also because he knows she is going through some things and that neither he nor she even know what they don't know yet -- and because she is family and he obviously cares about her. So he feels much less insulted than some of us might be, and presume he would or should be. He is giving her some grace.

SSB
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I saw the scene again when it was posted.

It looks more to me like Bruce is so taken aback by her response that he lets it go. Not really insulted, but what she says is so out-of-place he just backs off.

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Like the guy who searches for the secret to happiness, and when he is told, "the secret of happiness is to never disagree."

He replies, " that's the dumbest thing I ever heard!"

To which he is told, " y'know what, you're right."
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Even if Bruce was a temper-tantruming brat that she knew as a child, he still became a great scientist; which sorta kills that theory.

When Bruce became the Hulk, I am sure he never expected half the stuff that happened to him to happen to him. He is coming from the heart. He has saved more than he hurt or injured, but he doesn't want her to have anyone on the "hurt or injured" side.

Also, she stands up to the people she should be listening to, but then is easily controlled by those who she should stand up to. That isn't the She-Hulk.. Savage or Sensational. It is Ally McBeal with superpowers.

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Great to see Wong return this week and I like that Jen got to display her skills as a lawyer by getting Emil out of prison.
There was a cool setup with the gang who attacked Jen in an attempt to extract some blood for their boss which will be an interesting plot point in future episodes.

There were too many fourth wall breaks in this episode to the point I found it distracting and as I may have mentioned before it was the one thing making me concerned for this series. I didn't like the fourth wall break when Jen was driving and the terrible "connecting the A and B story" part in the bar just really took me out of the episode and reminded me I'm watching a TV show rather than being allowed to be immersed in the story.

Ryan Reynolds being Ryan Reynolds and the fourth wall breaks are two things that make me really dislike Deadpool and I hope to Odin we don't get him in an actual MCU film. Give him a 3rd film if that's what people want now that Disney owns Fox, fair enough I don't begrudge anyone another Deadpool film I just have zero desire to see him interact with other MCU characters.

Two things I would love to see changed about the series, not making it a "comedy" and taking out the fourth wall breaks. Now I understand the breaks are a key aspect of the comic but given Marvel has made changes when adapting their comics to live action this is one aspect I'd love to see changed.
As for the comedy, it's a very subjective thing and putting it delicately... American comedy is often very on the nose and just reliant on people being loud in lieu of being funny. Thankfully this show didn't get all in like all the other comedy shows and slap on a laughter track.

I completely agree with sbaxter that mid-credits scene was awful and something I didn't need to see.
 
I watched EP3 and I'm still loving this show and I think I figured out why I like it.

Like most new Marvel (and Star Wars) Disney+ shows, the TV program I'm watching is a comic book in television show form.

It's fun, and funny, and entertaining, and irreverent, and I actually enjoy watching (reading) this TV comic book.

I'm not interested in trying to squeeze drops of logic out of my Superhero (or Star Wars) fantasy media, or get stuck on tiny semantics that don't effect the overall story. I either like something or I don't, and I like She-Hulk. It's fun. I do actually dislike stuff (the 'Hunger Games' series, the 'Divergent' series, etc...) Just because I like and enjoy media (movie/song/tv show) does not mean I don't see flaws/opportunities and doesn't mean I don't see where the makers of the media could have done better, but I don't get hung-up on all that jazz and I don't beat dead horses about stuff I don't like. Who has time for all that negativity ?!

If I like something, I watch it. If I don't like something, I don't watch it. I like She-Hulk. It isn't perfect and it won't solve all the worlds problems but it isn't supposed to. It's a comic book come-to-life as a TV show based on a comic book and I think it's a pretty neato TV show with a good/funny/interesting story to tell.
 
Kylash said:
Good god I’m convinced none of you people here actually want to enjoy anything anymore.
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Not true. I enjoyed Top Gun: Maverick, and that had solid story and character without sacrificing either one. It even added more depth to Maverick’s character without making him a character with a whole body of clay.

I want this to be good and to enjoy it, but it’s hard to do when the lead character is lacking in depth and the story is making you question why the hell it exists in the first place. But, that’s just me.
 
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