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[CB2001]

I haven't seen the show yet, but I did see the "catcalling conversation" completely out of context, of course. I caught some of the above discussion, and I think nobody is really in a position to trivialize the significance of anybody else's personal experiences- whether tragic or profound. So, while some folks might not be irritated by, say, catcalling - it doesn't mean it couldn't be impactful for her.

I didn't have a problem with her rant, because we wach have our own buttons to push.

But why does she say, "I do it (control her anger) infinitely better than you." Please tell me it's contextually appropriate, because it seems like she's trivializing Banner's experiences relative to her own, no?

I'm not saying catcalling and the dangers of escalation don't exist. It's just the way she worded the monologue makes it sound like she could literally be murdered by having someone explaining something she knows to her, like she'd drop dead from have some brain aneurysm or something, which didn't make sense.

But I agree, everyone has their buttons to push and I also agree with how she trivializes Bruce's experiences. She's a lawyer right? And a human being, right? And Bruce is suppose to be related to her, is that also right? Shouldn't she have some level of empathy when it comes to those three tings (especially the third question since, you know, she's his family) and a clear idea on what kind of trauma he's gone through?

 

[joberg]

1: Neuroticism describes the tendency to experience negative emotion and related processes in response to perceived threat and punishment; these include anxiety, depression, anger, self-consciousness, and emotional lability. Women have been found to score higher than men on Neuroticism as measured at the Big Five trait level, as well as on most facets of Neuroticism included in a common measure of the Big Five, the NEO-PI-R . Additionally, women also score higher than men on related measures not designed specifically to measure the Big Five, such as indices of anxiety and low self-esteem. The one facet of Neuroticism in which women do not always exhibit higher scores than men is Anger, or Angry Hostility.

2: Agreeableness comprises traits relating to altruism, such as empathy and kindness. Agreeableness involves the tendency toward cooperation, maintenance of social harmony, and consideration of the concerns of others (as opposed to exploitation or victimization of others). Women consistently score higher than men on Agreeableness and related measures, such as tender-mindedness.

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From the National Library of Medicine

 

[Riceball]

I'm not saying catcalling and the dangers of escalation don't exist. It's just the way she worded the monologue makes it sound like she could literally be murdered by having someone explaining something she knows to her, like she'd drop dead from have some brain aneurysm or something, which didn't make sense.

But I agree, everyone has their buttons to push and I also agree with how she trivializes Bruce's experiences. She's a lawyer right? And a human being, right? And Bruce is suppose to be related to her, is that also right? Shouldn't she have some level of empathy when it comes to those three tings (especially the third question since, you know, she's his family) and a clear idea on what kind of trauma he's gone through?

I didn't take it as trivializing Bruce's experience, I think she was just frustrated with her situation and also wanted to emphasize that she's not Bruce. I felt that she thought that it was ok to talk to Bruce the way she did because Bruce was ok with it and that it's been going enough that it's no longer traumatic and has since worked out any lingering issues with being the Hulk.

 

[CB2001]

1: Neuroticism describes the tendency to experience negative emotion and related processes in response to perceived threat and punishment; these include anxiety, depression, anger, self-consciousness, and emotional lability. Women have been found to score higher than men on Neuroticism as measured at the Big Five trait level, as well as on most facets of Neuroticism included in a common measure of the Big Five, the NEO-PI-R . Additionally, women also score higher than men on related measures not designed specifically to measure the Big Five, such as indices of anxiety and low self-esteem. The one facet of Neuroticism in which women do not always exhibit higher scores than men is Anger, or Angry Hostility.

2: Agreeableness comprises traits relating to altruism, such as empathy and kindness. Agreeableness involves the tendency toward cooperation, maintenance of social harmony, and consideration of the concerns of others (as opposed to exploitation or victimization of others). Women consistently score higher than men on Agreeableness and related measures, such as tender-mindedness.

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From the National Library of Medicine

Also, according to statistics, it’s like 78% of men who are more than likely to be victims of homicide. Again, not saying escalation of catcalling isn’t bad.

I didn't take it as trivializing Bruce's experience, I think she was just frustrated with her situation and also wanted to emphasize that she's not Bruce. I felt that she thought that it was ok to talk to Bruce the way she did because Bruce was ok with it and that it's been going enough that it's no longer traumatic and has since worked out any lingering issues with being the Hulk.

That’s certainly not how she comes off. It’s almost borderline Patrick Bateman how much in empathy she appears to lack towards Bruce and what he’s gone through.

 

[joberg]

It all comes down to communication. Men and women communicate differently and, in the end, don't really understand what the other is saying.
Blame it on our brains...

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Yeah... I've tried the whole "Our brains are wired different" on multiple women in various circumstances where I was trying to explain myself and it never turns out well...

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Well, it’s true that our brains are wired differently. A woman is smart enough never to say something that dumb.

As a friend of mine once told me, I have the cleanest shoes he’s ever seen, because I keep pulling my foot out of my mouth!

 

[dascoyne]

It all comes down to communication. Men and women communicate differently and, in the end, don't really understand what the other is saying.
Blame it on our brains...

 

[Picard102]

Also, according to statistics, it’s like 78% of men who are more than likely to be victims of homicide.

By other men. Men are predominantly responsible for homicides.
But men are not socialized to be aware of the danger. Women are.

 

[joberg]

Yeah... I've tried the whole "Our brains are wired different" on multiple women in various circumstances where I was trying to explain myself and it never turns out well...

 

[bwayne64]

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A question like that could cause a rip in the space-time continuum, ; )

 

[NakedMoleRat]

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That’s EXACTLY how it works.

 

[dascoyne]

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Also add that suppressors are a safety device, not a completely silent way to shoot someone without getting caught!

Two of my female friends (early 30s) did not like that scene of Jen's womansplaining (their words) to Bruce. Bruce has been through more than she has, though I get her point, plus he's had people die while saving the world multiple times. They said "I'm sorry if catcalling is more traumatic than my friends dying!" They thought that scene was cringey.

 

[Master Boda]

But men are not socialized to be aware of the danger.

Tell that to young men growing up in Chicago,Detroit,Compton.. Gang violence and drive by shooting are a daily thing.In certain areas men are more aware of danger than women.

 

[Master Boda]

My daughter (15) wanted to watch the first episode and after 10 minutes looked and we with a straight face and said dad don’t waste my time with this.

 

[bwayne64]

Smart girl !

 

[CB2001]

My daughter (15) wanted to watch the first episode and after 10 minutes looked and we with a straight face and said dad don’t waste my time with this.

You're raising her right, sir.

 

[Spyhunter2k]

Also add that suppressors are a safety device, not a completely silent way to shoot someone without getting caught!

Two of my female friends (early 30s) did not like that scene of Jen's womansplaining (their words) to Bruce. Bruce has been through more than she has, though I get her point, plus he's had people die while saving the world multiple times. They said "I'm sorry if catcalling is more traumatic than my friends dying!" They thought that scene was cringey.

Same reaction of my wife. She wholeheartedly agreed that Bruce being forced by the writers to nod along while Jen explained how the lived experience of all women obviously trumped Bruce's experiences...cringey is indeed the best word.

I mean...this is the guy that said he tried to kill himself, but that when he shot himself through the mouth Hulk would just spit it out. That's some dark stuff there. When you play that dialogue back in your head, and then immediately jump to Jen's condescending explanation of how her first world problems for women trumped his trauma while the writers just chose to have Bruce nod along...

It was truly hard not to check out at that point.

I'm all for entertainment being more realistic in addressing the obvious injustice and oppression that's historically been levelled on certain groups. No problem with that in general. To deny these things is to deny history and reality. But when it's so over-exaggerated, forced, and contrary to characters' established history that it turns cringey, that's a recipe for alienating viewers. Me, at least, and my wife as well. We finished the episode, but don't know if we want to watch any more.

 

[Picard102]

Same reaction of my wife. She wholeheartedly agreed that Bruce being forced by the writers to nod along while Jen explained how the lived experience of all women obviously trumped Bruce's experiences...cringey is indeed the best word.

I don't think she was doing that at all. She explained how she has been constantly suppressing her anger. He only recently has had to manage his emotions to the degree she does as a matter of survival. Bruce insisted his experience was going to be the same for her, she explained how it's not.