Deagostini Falcon. Anyone seen this?
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darthviper107
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USPS is really screwed up at the moment--my month 10 plus some other packages never arrived, along with other issues. Sucks that we don't get tracking info so we can't even know what's going on.
mythshaker
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There is a big difference between receiving a shipping notice and receiving a package during high volume shipping periods. The later is entirely understandable, the former, not so much.
Tonight's the night, EPVII here I come.
Tonight's the night, EPVII here I come.
PeteVenkman
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Hey guys and gals,
This thread has been inactive since the release of TFA. So to get things rolling again I thought I'd share some of the progress pics of my efforts so far. I've started scratch building some Nav Chairs. I have plenty to do on these but here's what I've done up to now:
I have repaired the section broken piping from the pic above.
More to come.
This thread has been inactive since the release of TFA. So to get things rolling again I thought I'd share some of the progress pics of my efforts so far. I've started scratch building some Nav Chairs. I have plenty to do on these but here's what I've done up to now:
I have repaired the section broken piping from the pic above.
More to come.
PeteVenkman
Well-Known Member
Thank you, Satyr. Yes, those head rests are a pain, lol. For the piping I used .020 styrene rod from Evergreen.
I am most definately still enthusiastic about it. I could care less about CGI based models. The real deal is still the physical models. Those are the only legitimate models to try and duplicate in my mind because they're tangible. Besides the CGI TFA Falcon isn't totally true to the 5ft. either. It will always be the Falcon I fell in love with in Empire doing flips and barrel roles through the asteroids.
I honestly don't care. They are both awesome. I could have a 5' version, a 32" version, a TFA version and I am happy. Even though I despise TFA. I can have a blend of both, all three, etc. If any new license does a Studio Scale, or whatever size version since it CG, of TFA Falcon I will be the first one there. I still don't know many of the differences. Some reference shots I know instantly are the 5' or the 32" and others I have no clue. I have no idea the difference between the 1/1 Falcon from ANH or ESB or TFA.
It's all Falcon and it's all good.
Tom
One thing I was wondering is why they didn't use a real model of the Falcon instead of all CGI. Every shot of the Falcon in TFA (except the full scale set prop) was a CGI Falcon. I can understand CGI has come a long way, but it was so obvious. Why couldn't they have just used a real model of it, used the computer to calculate the position of the camera and the lights, shot the model using a camera using that info, then used CGI to fill in the problems (like removing the support or adding the windows). I think that would have been a helluva lot more convincing then all CGI... and would have given them something that they could have shown off on tours instead of the 3D printed one they have on display at Disney. That's one thing that I found disappointing about the new movie.
Simple answer:
Disney doesn't own the original miniatures. George does and they are still on tour around the world.
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Disney doesn't own the original miniatures. George does and they are still on tour around the world.
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ILM doesn't have a miniatures department anymore, nor any motion control cameras. I think what remains of that department is now at 32ten studios. Added to that, what you describe sounds very simple but practically is a lot more time consuming and not well suited to the pace of modern day post production schedules. I'd love to see it some day, but I don't think a major motion picture with thousands of vfx shots to turn over would ever risk it these days.
3phase
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I thought it was obvious this is ment to be a replica of the 32" filming model. Not some CGI crap
No matter what Disney is gonna come up with in the future (TFA included) I will still love the OT.
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But then again, they could have just bought say a MR Falcon, modified it, and it would have been ready in maybe a day instead of spending hundreds of hours on building a Falcon from scratch in CGI... But I don't think money was much of an issue when it came to this movie. Disney was throwing money at it like crazy because they KNEW it was going to make their money back and it did... it exceeded it! I bet if they went with a practical model over a CGI model it would have been much more convincing. they probably spent more hours on CGI in rendering then they ever would have if they just used the 3D environment to calculate the positions of the model/camera/lights and applied that data to the practical model and just filmed it.
The problem I have is that TFA Falcon isn't faithful to either the 5 ft. or the 32 inch. Sure, we can assume changes were made over the years with extra changes in the body and including a new sensor dish. Don't get me wrong, I loved some of the shots in the chase scenes, but they didn't bother to even get the CGI models basic shape right. The jaw box is all wrong. It even looks like it overlaps the mandibles in the front which is all wrong. There was one scene that looked so bad I had to shake my head. That was when Chewie came up over the cliff to pick up Rey and Finn at the end. The cockpit was so oversized compared to the rest of the ship I thought I was looking at the big Hasbro Falcon.
Had an email from Deago about their upcoming helmets line. I started to get real excited for a second until I saw it was 1/5. 
https://www.deagostini.com/uk/colle...CH_email_Dec2015_starwars_customers_prospects
Tom
https://www.deagostini.com/uk/colle...CH_email_Dec2015_starwars_customers_prospects
Tom
I don't think money was every an issue with this movie, however pumping through several thousand VFX shots was. CGI is way quicker from a production standpoint. Multiple artists can work with the same models of different shots or even parts of the same shot at the same time. Rendering is done overnight when the facility is closed so more shots can be pushed through the pipeline at once.
With a practical model you can only work on one shot at a time. Each shot requires multiple passes (beauty, lighting etc) and they are not real time, most require long exposures. Then you have to shoot every other element with the same issues. If something doesn't match or line up then you're starting again. Even if all the elements work, they are still going through the CGI pipeline for compositing, lasers etc. Not really practical for a show with 3000+ FX shots these days.
Don't get me wrong, I love the look of miniatures as much as the next guy, but I also understand on a major show like this it's not really practical to do so these days.
With a practical model you can only work on one shot at a time. Each shot requires multiple passes (beauty, lighting etc) and they are not real time, most require long exposures. Then you have to shoot every other element with the same issues. If something doesn't match or line up then you're starting again. Even if all the elements work, they are still going through the CGI pipeline for compositing, lasers etc. Not really practical for a show with 3000+ FX shots these days.
Don't get me wrong, I love the look of miniatures as much as the next guy, but I also understand on a major show like this it's not really practical to do so these days.
