Carbon-Freeze Vader Saber...an MPP. The Definitive ESB

[E.D.C. Studios]

Sure, Ill have to do it a bit later though.

I can tell you that the grips star right at the edge of the knurl on the endcaps.

The Vader ANH grips are 3.625"...Im sticking with this only because I dont see why they would have cut the grips two dirrent sized for ANH, and the graflexes are this long too, as well depending how you scale the pics, this number checks out. After the grips there is a .875" gap between the top of the grips and the band.

On the ESB the grips are 4.125" and the clamp is butt up against them

 

[Lordsandy]

I had thought the Vader saber used in the cave seen with Luke when he faces his fears had the circuit board??

Anyone have any still shots from this scene?

Jim S.

 

[paul n]

That was probably the Barbican saber which was a stunt saber.

~Paul

 

[gavidoc]

Paul,

You asked me to post what I got for the grip sizes again and here it is:

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When I compared the ANH to the ESB pictures scaled at the same size, I came to this grip size conclusion.

ANH:

grips vary in size from 3 21/32" to 3 7/8" depending on which one you measure.

The very top and the very bottom one come in at about 3.657 (3 21/32").

The 2nd one from the top is about 3.71" and this is the one I believe John probably measured for his grips. The 2nd from the bottom is about 3.877" or real close to 3 7/8".

ESB:

On average the grips are approx. 4 1/16" or 4.0625" +/- .02

 

[paul n]

Thanx Gav'! that's about what I got for the ANH grips too. For the ESB ones I got an aditional 1/16". Either way the grips are just a bit more than 4".

Chip, I still think the grips on the Vader ANH are a little longer than the Luke ANH. If the sabers were constructed at the same time, ie. they cut all the grip material at the same time and put them together at the same time they probably would be the same length. It is, however, very possible that they made them separately and cut the grips separately for the individual sabers. I'll have to do a side by side with the ANH Luke and Vader some time.

Oh also, Chip I did the side by side of your CG image and the PoSW pisc and they lined up perfectly. It's not even worth posting the pic, you got it 100%!

OK, Here's a set of images that I put together to illustrate the location of the wires in the CF pic. The #1 lable in the pics is the red wire arching between the holes in the "B" port. The #2 lable is the black and white double wire arching between the the two horizontal ports next to the "B" port.

For full size: http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbumPhoto.asp?userid=paul%2Dn&album_id=49424&image_id=15&view=actual

for full size: http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbumPhoto.asp?userid=paul%2Dn&album_id=49424&image_id=17&view=actual
for full size: http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbumPhoto.asp?userid=paul%2Dn&album_id=49424&image_id=16&view=actual

In the CF pic I also out lined the MPP tells as well as the middle ports to help show the orientation of every thing. Something to note you can see the #1 wire in the CF pic is Reder than the rest of the pic, it's hard to tell since the pic was taken in alot of red light.

Hope this helps!

~Paul

 

[Lordsandy]

I had a tough time taking the real lever off my clamp.....

But I like the way it looks.

Jim S.

 

[Oohyeah KL]

Great pic, Jim. Can you post a close-up pic of the nut/screw on both sides of the clamp?
Or better still, individually so I know what sort of thing to look for?

 

[E.D.C. Studios]

A quick question here....what about the DV standees, you can see his saber on both of them, what are they from anh, esb? pre or post production?

BTW, I would love to put together a 3D model of the Barbican saber, who has pics?

 

[paul n]

Jim, that looks great! That's actually how I have mine set up right now, except I don't have the nut on there.

I know I've seen a standup that showed the odd side of the clamp I really wish I knew where I saw it. I have a vague memory of a hexagonal head, but that could just my mind playing tricks too. I'm gonna look around a bit and see if I can find any more pics of the other side of the clamp. I think it will shed alot of light on the disk.

~Paul

 

[Barnstormer]

Check out the Energizer Bunny saber thread, it has the Barbican photos.

 

[Lordsandy]

Charles,

I think both stand ups have the Barbican lightsaber.

The Barbican had the clamp lever facing backwards on some shots and then must have broke at some point and they just addded a nut.

I will email you a few pics I have.

Jim S.

 

[E.D.C. Studios]

One more

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[Lordsandy]

Hey Charles......

That looks just like mine...

Great job!


Lordsandy

 

[tk421mv7]

Paul,

Your "comparison2" pic convinced me.

It's funny, if I look at the normal-sized CF pic I still see a button... but now I can also see where the wires are in relation to the B port.

"I want proof, not leads."

Well, you proved it and I thank you.

I've decided that I'm keeping my Sol. I put a lot of work into getting it chromed and changing the guts to the Heiland (not a direct swap, I assure you) so I'm kind of proud of it.

I will make my 2nd HK MPP into the ESB but I don't think I'll be adding the wires. They may look good from a distance, but I don't think I'd be happy with them up close. I would like to dress up the clamp though...

 

[paul n]

tk421mv7, Thanx for questioning the wires it gave me a reason to really work and prove that the wires are there (much better than my first post about the wires

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It's funny how the mind can fill stuff in for you. Some one says "hey, that looks like a King Sol!" and you look at it and say "Oh yeah, that must be the button" with out ever looking at other posibilities. It's kinda like the Obi-Wan grip, people had been looking for a motorcycle grip for years till some one ran across the correct rifle grenade (completely by chance, I might add). I thought it was a King Sol too, till Chris posted this thread (which is kinda funny since he's the one that pointed out the CF pick to me and said it looked like a king Sol. Wow that was back at SW Celebration 1!).

Chip, I'm not sure about there being a hex nut on that side, it still looks like a circle to me. and the red wire should really arch up in a kinda semi-circle.

~Paul

 

[E.D.C. Studios]

Paul the 3d model isnt meant to be exact it the set built prop sense, but correct in all the detail added in a museum quality sense.

I plan on pulling my wires taught between the holes, or even bend some small diameter aluminium rod for them, this way thaey are more like power coonduits instead of loose wires.

Let this be quoted by myself, here and now...

When building props you have to ask yourself a question....Are you replicating the film used PROP, or the real world item it's meant to be?

I prefer to replicate the item its intended to be, not the actual prop

Oh yeah check this pout too:

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[paul n]

That looks great Chip!

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Yeah, I hear ya'. I'm constantly going back and forth. I like Movie accurate because you can see how they made the prop and I like funkieness. On the other hand I want the thing to look museum quality too. for instance I'm not bending a nail through my ANH clamp! Altough, I have to say that even from an asthetic perspective, I personally like the way the arched red wire looks

Oh I still don't see A nut there.

A Great example of movie accurate vs. story accurate. I've got one of Wampa's Grail diaries, which is very prop-accurate, repeating pages, guled in inserts etc. and I love that it's representative of the PROP. On the other hand I plan on one of getting Indy Magnoli's Diarys ASAP because it's a Grail diary Replica ie it's what the real Grail diary would have been in ral life. I want both in my collection because they both represent something different to me.

There is accuracy and then there is precision, some where in the middle is perfection.......or a really wacked out prop replica with a chromed and polished nail in the activator box.

~Paul

Oh, BTW, Chip did you get my e-mail baout that part I was hoping you'd cast for me?

 

[gavidoc]

Yeah I don't know what's up with those freaks that go for screen accuracy. I mean, a nail through the clamp? Uneven grips? Come on.

 

[vaderdarth]

Nice sabers Chip!!! Your CG renderings always look so cool.
That hex nut looks dead on too.
Dave

 

[Treadwell]

Paul, is this the SW Encyclopedia pic you wanted?

A couple of years ago someone scanned this pic from a puzzle box and I believe that post revealed that the bubble strip was used.

Here's a closer scan of the saber:

My original is an 8x10, but as you can see that doesn't help much.