Father
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Do you mean when Michael Knight was Nick Fury or when Mitch Buchanan was Nick Fury? :lol
Captain America: Civil War (Post-release)
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Do you mean when Michael Knight was Nick Fury or when Mitch Buchanan was Nick Fury? :lol
Laspector
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And I have never once seen an old age make up that has convinced me. I don't care how well it is done, it ALWAYS looks fake.
Riceball
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I agree, it almost always has a plasticy look to it that looks fake.
There are some folks who thought it might have been a good idea to cast an elderly actress to have played Peggy Carter in Winter Soldier. I disagree. Atwell has a powerful presence and it would be harder for me to suspend disbelief if it wasn't her - it wouldn't be impossible but definitely less effective than what we've got. BTW to my eye the CG Atwell was very convincing.
The eyes and the corners of the mouth (as well as the flex of the cheeks) is always what's a little off when they don't nail it.
Jeff Bridge's younger self in Tron Legacy suffered from bad-lip-corner-itis. Haha
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Father
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Yeah... the mouth was the only part that was slightly off about Clu. Other than that I thought they de-aged him very well.
Patrick Stewart and Ian McCellan looked weird in X3.
I think they nailed it with Michael Douglas in Ant-Man and RDJ in CACW.
On a side note, did anyone else think it was contradictory or just off that in CATWS the files showing the people killed by Hydra showed the Dominic Cooper Howard Stark instead of the John Slattery Howard Stark, since it was Slattery Stark that died in CACW? Slattery was Stark in IM2, which came out before CATWS, so it's not like he hadn't been cast in the role prior to that.
Snikt
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Does it always look fake because you know the actor isnt that old? There have been quite a bit of old age stuff that looks really convincing. Hell even Dustin Hoffman in Little Big Man looks good. To me anyway.
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Anyone have any examples? At least you know that its actually there when they use make up, as opposed to the digital route. Peggy's face to me was pretty bad, took me out of the moment cause it was so distracting.
Laspector
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Yes, I have seen Little Big Man. And while Dick Smith did an amazing job, it still doesn't look real to me. The main problem is there is just no way to get around that you are 'adding to' instead of 'subtracting'. Older people have smaller sunken in faces. There is just no way to do that. Older age prosthetics, to me, always make the head look like a bobble head.
Peggy Carter in the beginning of Ant-Man was makeup and I didn't like it. I think aging makeup tends to overdo it making it look like they haven't aged well. People don't wrinkle uniformly on the face. It tends to go along lines of stress. In some people (and Hayley Atwell looks like one of them) they might lose a slight amount of fat in the face but won't wrinkle much at all. I think she would age very well and not look much different as she gets older.
JD
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Most people who say that *this* or *that* didn't look real - be it CG or make-up or whatever - are usually full of it and are probably "fooled" more often than not. The issue with actors that we know are put in make-up to look older is that we know what they actually look like and it's systematic response to see that it's a younger actor made to look older.
We're not going to be "fooled" by Hayley Atwell (or other known actors) made to look older because we know how old she is and what she really looks like. I'd wager if we had pro make-up artists do the same type of job to an unknown it would be much more difficult, if not impossible to tell to them apart for us "regular" movie viewers.
Don't let the egos convince you otherwise.
We're not going to be "fooled" by Hayley Atwell (or other known actors) made to look older because we know how old she is and what she really looks like. I'd wager if we had pro make-up artists do the same type of job to an unknown it would be much more difficult, if not impossible to tell to them apart for us "regular" movie viewers.
Don't let the egos convince you otherwise.
astroboy
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http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/12/1...l-war-cgi-visual-effects-spider-man-interview
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JD
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Having watched this again last night (and despite what I said above), there is some very glaring and obvious CG in this scene. It's almost like parts of this scene are unfinished or just poorly done... Spider-Man in particular has some issues (there are some great shot of him, too - like watching him 'crawl on the window'). It also seemed like this entire part of the movie seemed poorly mapped out - you never got a sense of how big the area was and who was where.
To expand on my above post - well done make-up and well done CG are seamless. If it's poorly done, it's poorly done.
JD
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You're entitled to your opinion - even if it's wrong. As I said in my original post, don't let an ego fool you otherwise.
'Old' Peggy Carter in the Winter Soldier was not prosthetic old age make-up.
JD
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I didn't say otherwise. My post was (mostly) in reply to a comment made (more or less) specifically about Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
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JD
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http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/captain-america-civil-war-secrets/
Some interesting bits in this piece about why Cap didn't die, Steve is no longer Captain America... and will Bucky appear in Black Panther?
Some interesting bits in this piece about why Cap didn't die, Steve is no longer Captain America... and will Bucky appear in Black Panther?
