Captain America: Civil War (Post-release)

[Snikt]

Remember when nick fury was white?

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Thats my Nick Fury. He was modeled after Clint Eastwood. I get what youre saying, but who said I like this version of Nick Fury? I get that they are doing it to cater to the younger audience, doesnt mean I have to like it. Besides, Nick Fury isnt a central character to anything in my opinion. They could have casted anyone and I wouldnt really have cared.

Yeah that does look exactly like Marisa Tomei...

 

[dascoyne]

My Nick Fury is by Jim Steranko.

 

[Father]

I'm a huge lifelong DC comics fan, especially Bats and Supes. I read very little Marvel. The Marvel movies are better and have the added bonus of appealing to the general moviegoer who doesn't read comics. BVS didn't work for me at all.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...ly-why-batman-v-superman-failed/#f05e46746bb1

 

[CutThumb]

I love Agent Carter and hate the fact that they're dragging their feet about announcing whether it'll get a third season or not. I really, really hope it does get a third season. Peggy is awesome and I absolutely adore her relationship with Jarvis.

Absolutely !!!! This gets such disappointingly low viewing figures and is probably indicative as to why Marvel has been so reluctant to go with a female standalone movie so far. I found Agent Carter to be better written, interesting and more enjoyable than many episodes of AOS (particularly season One) but it gets so little praise and attention and it deserves more. Its one of the most underrated TV programs there is showing now and yet it integrates in with the Marvel Cinematic Universe almost perfectly.I hope it gets a third season but its looking border line.
The reason I enjoyed CACW so much was because that I watched "Captain America : The First Avenger" ,then "Agent Carter" followed by the rest of the films from " Iron Man" on ward over the two weeks leading up to "CACW" and the sheer level of character consistency and development of their storylines across the entire series is just fantastic. Kudos to Marvel, its almost impossible to see (as others have said) anybody else in those roles. Even the bad guys ie Hydra agents thread perfectly through . "Iron Man 2" which is perhaps the weakest of them all, is, once you view it again with in the context of all of the others, is really quite good for what you can pick out later on.
Infact I would actually go so far as to say the entire series is perhaps the best that has ever been delivered. As a lifelong Star Wars fan I'd never thought I'd say that but I've watched and rewatched these films so often now, and yet my enjoyment of them only seems to get stronger each time. And that is a hell of an achievement to pull off . Marvel , the cast, the directors and writers, the VFX ,stage and production staff and all should really be proud of what they have achieved with this.

 

[astroboy]

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What about v for vendetta? Road to perdition? A history of violence? Swamp thing?


DC has been in this game a LOT longer than marvel.

The thing that makes DC a much better comic company for me is that marvel has never had any big sophisticated graphic novels. Marvel never had a dark knight returns, watchman or a sandman. Even their secret wars series was just a pale imitation of crisis on infinite earths

Marvel is more interested in monthly pulp stories. And no one EVER stays dead in the marvel universe.

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[SmilingOtter]

One thing I haven't seen posted - and may have missed earlier in the thread - is Tony's recreation of the last time he saw his parents. Whatever method they used to make young Tony looked absolutely perfect. I thought young Michael Douglas was done well in Ant Man, but this was even better.

 

[astroboy]

The other thing I have to mention is William hurt.

I've seen it twice and it still doesn't resemble William hurt.

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[maffhewdc]

Marvel never had a dark knight returns, watchman or a sandman.

Of course they don't silly.

 

[madmikeee]

OK Loved the movie but can someone explain to me the "spidey signal" in the post credits scene?? That one left me a bit confused.

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Absolutely !!!! This gets such disappointingly low viewing figures and is probably indicative as to why Marvel has been so reluctant to go with a female standalone movie so far. I found Agent Carter to be better written, interesting and more enjoyable than many episodes of AOS (particularly season One) but it gets so little praise and attention and it deserves more. Its one of the most underrated TV programs there is showing now and yet it integrates in with the Marvel Cinematic Universe almost perfectly.I hope it gets a third season but its looking border line.
The reason I enjoyed CACW so much was because that I watched "Captain America : The First Avenger" ,then "Agent Carter" followed by the rest of the films from " Iron Man" on ward over the two weeks leading up to "CACW" and the sheer level of character consistency and development of their storylines across the entire series is just fantastic. Kudos to Marvel, its almost impossible to see (as others have said) anybody else in those roles. Even the bad guys ie Hydra agents thread perfectly through . "Iron Man 2" which is perhaps the weakest of them all, is, once you view it again with in the context of all of the others, is really quite good for what you can pick out later on.
Infact I would actually go so far as to say the entire series is perhaps the best that has ever been delivered. As a lifelong Star Wars fan I'd never thought I'd say that but I've watched and rewatched these films so often now, and yet my enjoyment of them only seems to get stronger each time. And that is a hell of an achievement to pull off . Marvel , the cast, the directors and writers, the VFX ,stage and production staff and all should really be proud of what they have achieved with this.

I do enjoy the show but I have to say, I don't know if it's the pacing, writing or what but I find myself getting bored watching it.I find that it's one of those shows that I have no problem stopping half way through to do something else instead.

 

[maffhewdc]

OK Loved the movie but can someone explain to me the "spidey signal" in the post credits scene?? That one left me a bit confused.

Spidey had a "Spider-Signal" in the comics and the TV shows. He'd flash it upon criminals to indicate that he has arrived and is about to stop them.

 

[madmikeee]

Spidey had a "Spider-Signal" in the comics and the TV shows. He'd flash it upon criminals to indicate that he has arrived and is about to stop them.

I honestly do NOT remember that at all from my spidey watching/reading days...That being said I think that this incarnation of Spidey is the best so far. I couldn't even make it through the whole movie on either of the last two they were so bad and although I enjoyed Tobey's Spidey/Peter Parker I thought a few of the other people cast for the major roles were really bad choices. IE Kirsten Dunst and James Franco. Two of the worst actors in hollywood , at least in my opinion. THat being said, Willem Dafoe frickin NAILED it.

*EDIT. Just did a google image search on spider signal and THAT triggered my memory. THANKS!!

 

[maffhewdc]

I honestly do NOT remember that at all from my spidey watching/reading days...That being said I think that this incarnation of Spidey is the best so far. I couldn't even make it through the whole movie on either of the last two they were so bad and although I enjoyed Tobey's Spidey/Peter Parker I thought a few of the other people cast for the major roles were really bad choices. IE Kirsten Dunst and James Franco. Two of the worst actors in hollywood , at least in my opinion. THat being said, Willem Dafoe frickin NAILED it.

Probably because the Spider Signal wasn't used too much or didn't last long. I'm not familiar with its history as well, but I do know that he flashes it on the bad guys

 

[astroboy]

Spidey had a "Spider-Signal" in the comics and the TV shows. He'd flash it upon criminals to indicate that he has arrived and is about to stop them.

That was also one of the lamest things to ever come out of the 70's comic

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[maffhewdc]

I'm hoping that they won't be using it like that for Homecoming. It's Stark tech, it would be such a waste if its only function was to shine a light at a bunch of crooks

 

[astroboy]

I'm hoping that they won't be using it like that for Homecoming. It's Stark tech, it would be such a waste if its only function was to shine a light at a bunch of crooks

It also looked like it had a function menu on it. And considering stark, the new spider suit probably has missiles

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[maffhewdc]

It also looked like it had a function menu on it. And considering stark, the new spider suit probably has missiles

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Don't forget its automatic mask lift up

 

[Snikt]

What about v for vendetta? Road to perdition? A history of violence? Swamp thing?


DC has been in this game a LOT longer than marvel.

The thing that makes DC a much better comic company for me is that marvel has never had any big sophisticated graphic novels. Marvel never had a dark knight returns, watchman or a sandman. Even their secret wars series was just a pale imitation of crisis on infinite earths

Marvel is more interested in monthly pulp stories. And no one EVER stays dead in the marvel universe.

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3 out of 4 of those things you mentioned arent even DC technically, they are Vertigo.

I think when people talk about DC vs Marvel they are going the shared universe route. Seemed that way anyway. The Christopher Reeve Superman movies started in the 70's, so they have marvel beat on that route for sure.

How about the Infinity Gauntlet story line...you know the one... The one that the current MCU is based on. Or Civil War even?

What mainstream characters in the DC roster stay dead? How many times has DC rebooted its whole continuity?

Odds are this is a DC fanboy vs a Marvel Fanboy argument, but I dont care. Havent had one of these in awhile haha.

 

[dascoyne]

I've been on Cap's side from the start (and I still am) but it's only because I have the privilege of knowing Cap's arc and character since TFA.

But Civil War really put Tony through the wringer. He approaches Steve in all sincerity and respect with the Sokovia Accords - recognizing that, given his own record of reckless behavior despite his good intentions, that you can't rely on only yourself to be purely objective. Some form of oversight is therefore necessary. Steve's argument just comes across as an excuse to remain reckless. They both accept that UN control isn't ideal but they can make their own change from the inside after signing the Accords. Tony is right that they would have more leverage to shape the relationship if they cooperated from the start. If the Accords were enforced on them then they'd have no ability to negotiate whatsoever.

From Tony's perspective, everything that Steve says and does after that appears both naïve and hypocritical (given where Steve's ideology started in The Avengers). That Bucky killed Tony's parents is just the nail in the coffin. Until then Tony has put aside his natural smarminess and laid his life bare to Steve when he appealed to keep The Avengers viable and this moment was just the final insult. Of course he's going to call Steve on his hypocrisy - "You don't deserve that shield."

How much can a guy take? Tony's entire messed up life and his arrested boyhood (e.g. can't keep relationship together with Potts and he gets along with kids better than with most adults (c.f. Iron Man 3 and the fact that he feels so much in common with another smart orphan in Queens) ) can all be traced to unresolved issues with his dad and his martyred mom. I doesn't matter that Bucky may or may not have been brainwashed from his perspective but I don't blame him for snapping. Everything conspired to bring Tony to a breaking point.

This movie is such an expertly balanced tragedy.

 

[Snikt]

I've been on Cap's side from the start (and I still am) but it's only because I have the privilege of knowing Cap's arc and character since TFA.

But Civil War really put Tony through the wringer. He approaches Steve in all sincerity and respect with the Sokovia Accords - recognizing that, given his own record of reckless behavior despite his good intentions, that you can't rely on only yourself to be purely objective. Some form of oversight is therefore necessary. Steve's argument just comes across as an excuse to remain reckless. They both accept that UN control isn't ideal but they can make their own change from the inside after signing the Accords. Tony is right that they would have more leverage to shape the relationship if they cooperated from the start. If the Accords were enforced on them then they'd have no ability to negotiate whatsoever.

From Tony's perspective, everything that Steve says and does after that appears both naïve and hypocritical (given where Steve's ideology started in The Avengers). That Bucky killed Tony's parents is just the nail in the coffin. Until then Tony has put aside his natural smarminess and laid his life bare to Steve when he appealed to keep The Avengers viable and this moment was just the final insult. Of course he's going to call Steve on his hypocrisy - "You don't deserve that shield."

How much can a guy take? Tony's entire messed up life and his arrested boyhood (e.g. can't keep relationship together with Potts and he gets along with kids better than with most adults (c.f. Iron Man 3 and the fact that he feels so much in common with another smart orphan in Queens) ) can all be traced to unresolved issues with his dad and his martyred mom. I doesn't matter that Bucky may or may not have been brainwashed from his perspective but I don't blame him for snapping. Everything conspired to bring Tony to a breaking point.

This movie is such an expertly balanced tragedy.

While I agree it is a tragedy, I dont see Tony in the same light as you do. While of course its tragic that Bucky killed his parents, when he was explaining how the kid got killed, and he was talking about Sokovia... That was entirely his fault. He created Ultron, who was directly responsible for all of that. And did Tony even realize that he recruited a 15 year old kid to come and fight with him? Granted the kid that died in Sokovia was older, but cmon. Its like he is trying to rectify past mistakes, but he doesnt see them through properly. "Im going to avenge this kid by setting things right, so Im going to get this other kid to help me do it" He didnt know that things could have turned south and someone could have accidentally got killed. What if Vision blasted Spidey instead of War Machine? Speaking of that, think that he did that because he was mad at him for hurting Wanda? And he didnt just miss trying to hit Falcon? I dont see Steves view as being reckless, but its having their hands tied. Thats why I loved the writers speech for Spidey, it summed up his origin in a few words. Being able to do something, and not doing it, when bad things happen, its your fault. Or something along those lines, I dont remember the line exactly lol. I thought Tony was just being a ****** when he said the "you dont deserve that shield" line. What grounds did he have to base that on? I think the theme was apparent as to why Cap was defending Buck, not just because he was his best friend, but he didnt have a choice.

I cant comment on Iron Man 3, because I hated that movie and I chose to block it from my mind. :lol

 

[dbuck]

I never felt Tony recruiting Spiderman was a big deal, at the time it was just for the intimidation factor, the fight at the airport wasn't to the death, and when it did get serious he sent him home.