Captain America: Brave New World

Riceball said:
Same here, I liked all of the tie-ins to previous films. I also liked that Disney is finally starting to hint at another Avengers movie and what it might be about.

But I do have two questions about this film:

1) Was the new Falcon and Ro'ss personal Widow in previous movies or shows? I want to say that we were introduced to the new Falcon before he became the new Falcon. Ruth (the Widow) looks familiar, but I'm not sure if she in a previous Marvel movie or show.

2) How does the Etnernals fit into the greater MCU and will we be seeing them again? For a while it seemed like Disney was trying to pretend that The Eternals never happened, but in BNW we see that it did, even if they didn't acknowledge The Eternals themselves (I think),
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1) The character of Joaquin Torres was introduced in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, played by Danny Ramirez, though I didn't remember him. Ruth Bat-Seraph was only introduced in CA:BNW (as far as I know).

2)You probably know as much as the rest of us. They didn't talk about the Eternals themselves, or show any of them in BNW, so whatever else they do with the characters beyond just the "Celestial Island" is up to Marvel. I hadn't heard any plans for Celestial related projects or characters in any upcoming films, but we don't know a lot about upcoming projects.
 
Suffers from Having characters at locations to progress a story, without any thought about how they got there. Need the US President on a warship in the middle of the Indian Ocean, not a problem. Just write him there. Wait, wasn’t he just in Washington DC? Not a problem, just ignore the fact you need him to leave DC, fly across the Atlantic, then Africa and have Airforce One touch down somewhere. Would that be Diego Garcia? Then fly him somehow to the fleet. How many days planning would that take alone? But he seemingly does it instantaneously.

Same as (not) Captain America and his sidekick, Budgy Boy the nu Falcon. They suddenly pop up in the middle of the Indian Ocean at the start of a conflict. What! How! Did the pair of them fly half way around the world with their little backpacks and tin wings? Can they now go hypersonic? What about Mini Me Black Widow wannabe? Same rationale.
 
somerset fox said:
Suffers from Having characters at locations to progress a story, without any thought about how they got there. Need the US President on a warship in the middle of the Indian Ocean, not a problem. Just write him there. Wait, wasn’t he just in Washington DC? Not a problem, just ignore the fact you need him to leave DC, fly across the Atlantic, then Africa and have Airforce One touch down somewhere. Would that be Diego Garcia? Then fly him somehow to the fleet. How many days planning would that take alone? But he seemingly does it instantaneously.

Same as (not) Captain America and his sidekick, Budgy Boy the nu Falcon. They suddenly pop up in the middle of the Indian Ocean at the start of a conflict. What! How! Did the pair of them fly half way around the world with their little backpacks and tin wings? Can they now go hypersonic? What about Mini Me Black Widow wannabe? Same rationale.
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Would you rather the film was 8 hours long showing a comprehensive itinerary of his travel from the US to the Indian ocean?
Sometimes you have to take things like that as read to keep the pace moving.
 
renaissance_man said:
Would you rather the film was 8 hours long showing a comprehensive itinerary of his travel from the US to the Indian ocean?
Sometimes you have to take things like that as read to keep the pace moving.
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No, that would be silly. But to ignore the real world logistics and make it seem instantaneous rather than recognising travelling half way around the world does take many hours, if not days
 
somerset fox said:
No, that would be silly. But to ignore the real world logistics and make it seem instantaneous rather than recognising travelling half way around the world does take many hours, if not days
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Sort of seems like nitpicking. I don't recall at any point in the film them saying they got there instantly, there were cuts to other scenes with characters doing different things to imply the passage of time.
 
It’s kind of like the time passing on the Falcon between Mos Eisley and the Death Star/Alderaan debris field. It’s not explicitly implied, but it’s understood some time would need to pass between the leaving and arriving with these places.
 
Ross was in Japan trying to get their leadership to support the celestial island treaty and diverted to the island on the way back right?

If not in the final reel he was:
-in DC
-over to Japan
-back in DC
- over to the Indian Ocean on the carrier to almost be red hulk
-Back in DC to actually be red hulk for the final White House battle

All with very little exposition to establish passage of time.

I feel like this was more “Thaddeus Ross is grumpy a lot” rather than “new non serum cap with another sidekick”
 
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One big problem I had with the film is that Sam is never really the "underdog" that they tried to make him out to be. They keep mentioning him not taking the super soldier serum. He's not as strong or fast as Steve Rogers or the super powered villains, yet he never has any real problems with any of the bad guys he fights. He can take on whole groups of armed & trained men, fight hand to hand - sometimes without the shield, sometimes without even the Wakandan super wings - and beat anyone without breaking a sweat. If he gets injured, he's never really affected by it. He doesn't get tired, doesn't really need medical attention (and a "kevlar weave" shirt wouldn't really help that much).

If the character of Sam Wilson is anywhere close to the age of Anthony Mackie (who is 46), Sam is probably at least around 40 in this film. So a 40-something with no super powers other than some mechanical wings can do things that even Steve Rogers couldn't do. He looks to be in good physical shape, but by no means does he look like he's some elite athlete.

They should've shown him getting beat up more. Like in "Rocky" movies, Balboa gets the **** kicked out of him a lot before ultimately triumphing, and there's a training montage showing him working to get better. Sam Wilson needed something like this, but they wanted to make him into some idealistic image - a "normal" man that can be the symbol for American "can do" effort. If you work hard, you can acheive anything. As Bucky told him, "Steve gave people something to believe in. And you give them something to aspire to." But they didn't ever show him working hard, or working to be that aspirational figure at all. He just does things than no one else can do without explanation. So it just feels unearned.
 
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That’s an excellent take. It also prevents audience members from connecting to Sam’s struggle. I never once felt as if “that could be me,” or whatever Marvel wants nuCap to inspire in people. They simply tell us that could be a regular person, instead of showing us, which in turn greatly reduced audience buy in.
 
The movie was fun enough, but some of it felt really slapdash to me.

Some uninspired camera work and what looks like really bad effects stuff kinda hampered things for me.

Parts of the red hulk fight sequence looked really rough to me, especially the final bit.

C+
 
Saw it, liked it just fine. I'm not saying it's the next Raiders or anything, but enjoyed it.


I just wanna know where did the White House would-be assassins get the guns?
 
Can someone point out the places where the reshoots slotted in? I went in, fully aware that there had been, and was looking out for them, but someone missed them.

(Apart from a strange thing going on with Isiah Bradley’s haircut when he met either Sam).
 
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