Captain America: Brave New World

somerset fox said:
Can someone point out the places where the reshoots slotted in? I went in, fully aware that there had been, and was looking out for them, but someone missed them.

(Apart from a strange thing going on with Isiah Bradley’s haircut when he met either Sam).
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If you can't spot them surely that's a good thing. I didn't notice any continuity errors that might have indicated reshoots.
 
batguy said:
Ruffalo still belongs in the Hulk role if they are reuniting the rest of the 2010s team. IDGAF about his personal politics.
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Yeah…he’s sort of the “Mark Hamill of the Marvel franchise”, but I can ignore political hectoring from anyone, on either side of the isle, and just enjoy the performance…believe me. I hear it from both sides at a typical family gathering and can just tune it all out and enjoy peoples’ company…life doesn’t have to be so serious all the time.

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Captain Dunsel said:
Yeah…he’s sort of the “Mark Hamill of the Marvel franchise”, but I can ignore political hectoring from anyone, on either side of the isle, and just enjoy the performance…believe me. I hear it from both sides at a typical family gathering and can just tune it all out and enjoy peoples’ company…life doesn’t have to be so serious all the time.
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Wait, I thought Sebastian Stan was considered the Mark Hamill of the MCU?

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I just saw that Rosa Salazar was cast as Diamondback but cut from the film when they "retooled" to make ot more "grounded" and added Giancarlo Esposito. Wrestler Seth Rollins was cut at that time too.

I would've been more interested in the film if Salazar was in it, especially playing Diamondback. I also don't think Giancarlo Esposito needs to be the villain in everything. He's 66 years old and had a fight scene with Anthony Mackie (didn't exactly seem like it should've been a fair fight).

firstcuriosity.com

‘Captain America: Brave New World’ Cut Out Multiple Villains Including Rosa Salazar’s Diamondback

‘Captain America: Brave New World’ originally featured more villains, including Rosa Salazar’s Diamondback
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Malibu139 said:
Ross was in Japan trying to get their leadership to support the celestial island treaty and diverted to the island on the way back right?

If not in the final reel he was:
-in DC
-over to Japan
-back in DC
- over to the Indian Ocean on the carrier to almost be red hulk
-Back in DC to actually be red hulk for the final White House battle

All with very little exposition to establish passage of time.

I feel like this was more “Thaddeus Ross is grumpy a lot” rather than “new non serum cap with another sidekick”
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This is really no different from other movies, there's no real need to spend time showing how characters went from point A to point B and when. That's unless you're Game of Thrones when at one point it takes an entire season for a character to go from their bedroom to the hallway right outside. Then by the end of the series, someone can run what should be several days worth of travel and back in short enough time for a group of people surrounded by a massive horde of undead to be still alive battling the massive horde that should have wiped them out a long time ago. With the exception of the GoT example, making a point of showing the passage of time just for the sake of doing so tends to slow down the pacing of a film and wastes time. Most people will understand that time has passed and the character didn't suddenly go from Point A to Point B.

On a different note, was Ross actually on the carrier? To me, it looked like he was on one of the escorting Burke class destroyers. Which made me wonder why anybody would choose a DDG for their flagship when there's a perfectly good CVN nearby. A ship that's the best protected in the fleet and maybe more importantly, is actually configured to serve as a flagship.

Bloop said:
One big problem I had with the film is that Sam is never really the "underdog" that they tried to make him out to be. They keep mentioning him not taking the super soldier serum. He's not as strong or fast as Steve Rogers or the super powered villains, yet he never has any real problems with any of the bad guys he fights. He can take on whole groups of armed & trained men, fight hand to hand - sometimes without the shield, sometimes without even the Wakandan super wings - and beat anyone without breaking a sweat. If he gets injured, he's never really affected by it. He doesn't get tired, doesn't really need medical attention (and a "kevlar weave" shirt wouldn't really help that much).

If the character of Sam Wilson is anywhere close to the age of Anthony Mackie (who is 46), Sam is probably at least around 40 in this film. So a 40-something with no super powers other than some mechanical wings can do things that even Steve Rogers couldn't do. He looks to be in good physical shape, but by no means does he look like he's some elite athlete.

They should've shown him getting beat up more. Like in "Rocky" movies, Balboa gets the **** kicked out of him a lot before ultimately triumphing, and there's a training montage showing him working to get better. Sam Wilson needed something like this, but they wanted to make him into some idealistic image - a "normal" man that can be the symbol for American "can do" effort. If you work hard, you can acheive anything. As Bucky told him, "Steve gave people something to believe in. And you give them something to aspire to." But they didn't ever show him working hard, or working to be that aspirational figure at all. He just does things than no one else can do without explanation. So it just feels unearned.
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I agree. They messed up the fight choreography. It seemed like they just told the fight choreographer to make Anthony Macky's fight choreography resemble Crhis Evans'. He was dishing it out and taking punishment almost exactly like Steve and Bucky would. I also have to question just how effective a non-enhanced person would be at throwing Cap's shield around. Even with the magical properties of vibranium, it seems to me that it would still take a good bit of strength to throw the shield hard enough to get it to bounce off things and hit people with the same force that it did with Steve. If it were me, every time Anthony Mackie throws the shield, I'd have him look like he was throwing it with everything he had and really putting a lot of effort into it and not make it look as easy as Chris Evans doing it.
 
Riceball i agree. No need to show the transit to and from (unless the president is on the Peleton doing miles). Just seemed like a LOT of back and forth once i thought about it after someone else’s post. Honestly it didn’t occur to me while watching the film so it didn’t bother me at the time.
 
Malibu139 said:
Riceball i agree. No need to show the transit to and from (unless the president is on the Peleton doing miles). Just seemed like a LOT of back and forth once i thought about it after someone else’s post. Honestly it didn’t occur to me while watching the film so it didn’t bother me at the time.
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Showing transit can work if handled properly.

Just ask Indiana Jones.
 
NakedMoleRat said:
Why are the reports saying that it had a budget of 180 million?
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Here's the thing... these budgets are estimates from within the industry, but Marvel/Disney is NEVER telling anyone: "Well, this was $200 million for principal photography, editing, special effects and VFX, another $10 million for score and sound design, plus 5% of the gross to our main lead actor, plus $100 million in advertising & marketing." John Q. Public doesn't know the real numbers.

It's all assumptions and guestimates... but a SAFE guess would be at least $300 million USD + for filming, effects, editing, score, and marketing. It's probably higher. CA:BNW would need to make at least $600 million in the worldwide box office to break even, and then the Marvel/Disney accountants will shuffle the expenses so it looks like it never made anything.
 
batguy said:
That's an outright lie. You could probably search that same magazine's past content and find them reporting on the movie's cost overruns.
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That's probably the budget just for the reshoots. Disney lies a lot. We'll know the exact budget when they have to file tax documents in the UK, which requires financial transparency.
 
NakedMoleRat said:
According to The Google Machine, Brave new World is set to tie box office with CA: First Avenger.
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BNW has a MUCH higher actual production budget (the $180,000 is pre-reshoots and they reshot the entire movie). We won't know the actual numbers until the UK figures come out in about 2 years because Disney can't lie about that, and just about every movie's initial figures in the past decade has been lies from the mouse. That's why they're comparing things to 14 year old movies because compared to more recent films, it's flopping big time. This thing has AT LEAST a $300k budget and it needs to make a minimum of $600k to break even.
 
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