Can anyone identify this Stormtrooper Helmet?

[runnriottt]

Well the bump on Ghosts TM is a painted helmet.

(great one too dont get me wrong Ghost) but that is how it has paint chips to match the screen...

My TM is ABS. All the guys other than Ghost or Ginos pic have no bump so far...

I flipped your pic in PS TKDUEUNO... Hope you don't mind...

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Must admit that the bump found is a little discomforting. Heard now it's on a few helmets... yet also that it isn't on some others. So what's the deal? Is it a recurring feature or just on a few?

Since I don't see the similarity in shapes between the TM and other "cast from authentic" helmets that couldn't be accomplished through sculpting as GINO and others do, I'm thinking you have more identifiers than one little bump. There just has to be, otherwise, why go public with this?

I don't take anyone's word that someone is a recaster just because they say so. I'd usually like to see what proof made someone call out the other and make up my own mind. If that gets me labeled as a recaster supporter just because I don't just accept a claim blindly, then so be it. I'm sure enough people know that I'm not.

And I think I'm man enough to admit if I'm wrong, when I'm wrong. I just haven't been convinced by one bump, but must admit it raised an eyebrow of concern.

Since Gino's helmets are recasted too, all this is even more ridiculous.

Err... what?

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

An interesting counterpoint. You are playing the odds game though in that the odds of the same paint drip appearing in the exact same place on two different lids. Either way, this is a decent enough discussion, and I am learning more about the Trooper buckets in it.

 

[Bobtherocker]

The bump is the killer here for me. Why is it present, in the same place on some TM's and not at all on others. Could it be sheer coincidence that painted TM's have suffered a paint resevior in the same spot thus giving it a raised area? I think not but stranger things have happened.
Why would TM deliberately add a bump for 'authenticity' knowing it would or could lead people to assume he is a recaster but still leave enough differences to suggest it is an original scultp?
I'm stumped, I hate to admit it but this is starting to appear a little bad for TM.
Do we have any dates for TM helmets bought with bumps and without?
I'd be curious to see if the bump dissappeared after a certain time.

 

[runnriottt]

Well really, the bump is on so far on only one helmet. Gino dosent own one. Correct? Who's helmet is in the comp pic? We will never know...:rolleyes

So Ghost is the only helmet with a bump. His detailing is outstanding, and the paint chips prove it. Great paint!

BUT...

None of these other lids have a bump. Smooth as a baby's butt.

 

[TKDUEUNO]

It is interesting that you would think that people would want to know the truth of things, but when you present it to them, when it is shocking enough, their first reaction is to reject it.
Only after some time mulling it over in their head to they come to acceptance.

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You're not presenting the truth, you're presenting your opinion, which is just based on observation, so it's not better than anyone else's opinion if not supported by smashing evidence.

And the only real thing is that you can't provide it, you just can suggest doubt and diffidence, which at this point I'm sure is your plain objective.

 

[lambotour]

The pic that was posted below by Gino does not prove recasting, IMO. The bump isn't in the same spot as the Brian and Gino helmets (I tried focusing on the bottom part of the bump in each pic). It looks more like a paint drip on the TM. If it is found that TM did recast the TE and tried to pass it off as his own sculpt then ban his ass, but surely there has to be more compelling evidence against him than what has been shown.

 

[Bobtherocker]

Well really, the bump is on so far on only one helmet. Gino dosent own one. Correct? Who's helmet is in the comp pic? We will never know...:rolleyes

So Ghost is the only helmet with a bump. His detailing is outstanding, and the paint chips prove it. Great paint!

BUT...

None of these other lids have a bump. Smooth as a baby's butt.

If it is just one then i think we can all breath a collective sigh of relief and put it down to another false alarm :lol

In all fairness I've never had any reason to doubt TM before and am always a little sceptical about GINO's motives but this time it seemed he was actually on to something.
Having scrutinised all the evidence I have at my disposal there does seem to be more differences than similarites between TM and AP/TE/TE2/GINO lids, some very subtle some less so. Like i said before, while most people would stare at the bumps in the comparison pics because thats been outlined as the focal point of damning evidence, others would look at everything but the bump and see evidence to the contrary.
So, was it just the one lid with a bump? and was it defintaley paint?

 

[runnriottt]

Plus the "bump" has a shadow on the inside of it. Looks like a "Dip" in this spot of question.

The other two have the shadow behind the bump.

 

[Bobtherocker]

When did this 'bump' evidence surface anyway?
I distinctly remember GINO trying to out TM as a recaster from day one, must be two years ago now. I'm pretty sure he was unsuccesful then and since as the majority seem to think TM is geniune. How come the bump has only just been raised as proof or has this been discussed before? just curious
GINO?

 

[moff man]

First off i have no horses in this race at all, i am fairly new to the serious prop making / collecting hobby but i have been a painter for 25 years. I know that paint drips occur in similar areas quite often, it's a subtle combo of shapes ,curves and gravity and excess liquid will travel the path of least resistance and collect. I am not saying 100% that these bumps are said drips but i certainly would not count that out. After reading all pages in this thread i for one think there is not enough evidence to point to malfesense on TM's part.

 

[Bobtherocker]

First off i have no horses in this race at all, i am fairly new to the serious prop making / collecting hobby but i have been a painter for 25 years. I know that paint drips occur in similar areas quite often, it's a subtle combo of shapes ,curves and gravity and excess liquid will travel the path of least resistance and collect. I am not saying 100% that these bumps are said drips but i certainly would not count that out. After reading all pages in this thread i for one think there is not enough evidence to point to malfesense on TM's part.

great use of the word malfeasance :thumbsup

My eyes ache from all this scrutinizing now but looking at some of my painted lids there are some paint pools in similar spots on a number of them. The case continues.

 

[moff man]

great use of the word malfeasance :thumbsup

Now if i'd only spelled it correctly :confused DOH!!!!

 

[GINO]

It cracks me up. Most of the people saying, doesn't look the same to me at all, are costumers, not builders. You simply don't have the eye or the knowledge to make any helpful judgements.
Also, most of these people are known recaster supporters and could care less if TM recast his helmet or not. All they care about is that a guy who is nice to them and sold them items for dress up being 'attacked'.


The bump for me was just icing on the cake. Why is it there on some and not others? Good question. My guess is that it was there on an earlier version then later removed with further clean up. But what is important is that it WAS there at one time. And if you expect any of us to think that he added that bump in for accuracy sake you are dreaming.
Those of you saying it is a paint drip need to take a seat on the bench. It's on the original helmet, it's on the helmets cast from it.


I could tell this helmet was recast from the first time I saw it (years ago), because I know trooper pieces better than most. I called it then. But of course, those who would not WANT to believe it said, where's the proof? Me knowing that there was no proof good enough for them just said screw it, let them be idiots.

Now we actually have some good photos that clearly show it and it IS damning. Not just because of the bump, but it sure helps.

There's no point in debating something that is FACT.
It's just an exercise in futility to try to convince those who don't WANT to be convinced, or just unwilling to accept the fact that someone who was nice to them lied on some level. Of course those people want to protect him. It's human nature.

But I think it's clear to anyone here with any sort of eye what is going on.
The fact that TM hasn't owned up to it after everyone (who matters) knows it only speaks volumes about his character and make him seem all the more shady.

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[TKDUEUNO]

It's just an exercise in futility to try to convince those who don't WANT to be convinced, or just unwilling to accept the fact that someone who was nice to them lied on some level.
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So why do you insist?

Why do you bother?

If you think no one except you can see some things and match your experience, why confront with other people?

 

[bagpus3]

I'm not too sure what the earlier pic's with the drawn line's is trying to explain but maybe I don't cotton on too quick?
Although I have to agree with GINO on the paint drip theory.

At the end of the day when all's said & done "there's bump's on those lids" covered by paint, not caused by it!
like the man said it's on the original mold but I'd still like to see more evidance if possible?

 

[GINO]

So why do you insist?

Why do you bother?

If you think no one except you can see some things and match your experience, why confront with other people?

Because for every naysayer out there, there is another guy quietly sitting at his computer thinking to himself, holy crap he's RIGHT.

And guess what. I am.

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[Too Much Garlic]

Again with the wordplay and no showing this "damning" evidence. You didn't even attempt proving it then, let alone now. One bump as evidence? WOW.

And I have not bought any helmets or armor from TM, so you can't excuse my call out for more convincing proof, as me just protecting an investment.

I find it sad how you just so easily label anyone disagreeing with you as idiots, recaster supporters, and whatnot instead of actually backing up your claim. All these pages and all we got to show for it is one bump that aren't even on all helmets and not even exactly in the right spot, and so far not cleared up if it was on earlier helmets or sporadic, but just a bunch of wordplay and avoidance.

If you actually took a little time to clearly show what you are seeing rather than *****ing and moaning why no one just accepts your word for it, I think you would have a better chance of convincing people, but you don't even waste time with that, just automatically making assumptions and accusations against people for not believing in you. Since you know that doesn't fly well... why do you keep doing things that way? Like you're setting yourself up for the inevitable fight that could have been prevented by actually SHOWING instead of TELLING.

Sorry if this is getting too personal. It just irks me that anyone not automatically siding with GINO gets smeared and ridiculed.

 

[GINO]

You know in your heart that he did it Carsten.
You just won't admit it publicly or even to yourself because you let your personal fondness for TM interfere with your reason. Something many here are just as guilty of.

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[Too Much Garlic]

You know in your heart that he did it Carsten.
You just won't admit it publicly or even to yourself because you let your personal fondness for TM interfere with your reason. Something many here are just as guilty of.

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Sadly no, one bump doesn't convince me. Just as well as 15 bumps on your Vader helmet doesn't convince me that yours is a recast of a particular other helmet either. THAT at least was a better presentation at possible recasting than what you are presenting here.

I don't know why I keep talking with you. You've made up your mind and to hell with all else and things that don't add up. You can't honestly base your whole argument on one bump, can you?