exoray
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At this point I believe Occam's razor comes into play unless we have more to go on...
Can anyone identify this Stormtrooper Helmet?
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At this point I believe Occam's razor comes into play unless we have more to go on...
GINO
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Your question was off topic.
Could have used a PM.
In all seriousness, I don't know what to make of you ND. But when I say this it is genuine. Please, lay off the post button a bit. I know you are excited to post and want to be involved, but you're not doing anyone (including yourself) any favors.
You know it's bad when you are getting post etiquette tips from me.
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Could have used a PM.
In all seriousness, I don't know what to make of you ND. But when I say this it is genuine. Please, lay off the post button a bit. I know you are excited to post and want to be involved, but you're not doing anyone (including yourself) any favors.
You know it's bad when you are getting post etiquette tips from me.
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Newbie Doobie
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Please forgive me! I realize that I hijacked the thread now!:unsure
Davy Jones
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Here's another who finds the topic quite relevent
I happen to like TM as a person quite a bit. He and I have traded emails and pms several times. He is polite, helpful, and a talented sculptor as was evidenced by the mini set of stomtrooper armor he sculpted for his kid. But that doesnt mean I have to take him at his word when the evidence is against him. I have always quietly suspected his helmet might have been recast. Afterall the temptation would have been awfully strong.
The things I am seeing in the pictures and my respect for the people who share Gino's view (including he himself) have very clearly shown more than good cause for discussion. I see things that point at the TM being recast from TE/TE2 or some other.
I havent seen anything that point at it not being recast. Everyone who is in favor of it being a sculpt just seems interested in debating with Gino the person instead of focusing on the topic at hand. And some had even gone so far as to suggest Gino is providing false pictures which is stupid.
I think the things Gino has been posting in regards to being openly objective about discussing something instead of playing politics should be taken to heart by all. Ive seen a few in this thread put aside the politics and really say what they think and it really makes a difference. If only more things could be discussed this way.
We have seen the argument for recast complete with photos. Now lets see the argument against.
I happen to like TM as a person quite a bit. He and I have traded emails and pms several times. He is polite, helpful, and a talented sculptor as was evidenced by the mini set of stomtrooper armor he sculpted for his kid. But that doesnt mean I have to take him at his word when the evidence is against him. I have always quietly suspected his helmet might have been recast. Afterall the temptation would have been awfully strong.
The things I am seeing in the pictures and my respect for the people who share Gino's view (including he himself) have very clearly shown more than good cause for discussion. I see things that point at the TM being recast from TE/TE2 or some other.
I havent seen anything that point at it not being recast. Everyone who is in favor of it being a sculpt just seems interested in debating with Gino the person instead of focusing on the topic at hand. And some had even gone so far as to suggest Gino is providing false pictures which is stupid.
I think the things Gino has been posting in regards to being openly objective about discussing something instead of playing politics should be taken to heart by all. Ive seen a few in this thread put aside the politics and really say what they think and it really makes a difference. If only more things could be discussed this way.
We have seen the argument for recast complete with photos. Now lets see the argument against.
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ItsThatGuy
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I'd like more comparison photos - not just of that tiny bump. I'm all for calling a spade a spade, but I just need more comparisons for me to call it. Sorry.
runnriottt
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CAP, TE2, AP, TM.
Crappy pic, I am awaiting my buds better camera.
Darth Niob
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How often you will make comments like this? :lol
Pappy
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OT a bit,but its relevant
I had 2 AP. I bought a helmet from a friend over at the MEPD,and one comes from the full kit i bought for myself.
Both helmet had differences,especially the width of the helmet,its that make sense? it come from the same mold right? It will difficulting things but it shows we cant just compare it with several helmets for just proof,or im wrong about this and theres something that i didnt know.(mold on winter :confused)
I'll show it later on this post,because i put my other helmet on the office
I had 2 AP. I bought a helmet from a friend over at the MEPD,and one comes from the full kit i bought for myself.
Both helmet had differences,especially the width of the helmet,its that make sense? it come from the same mold right? It will difficulting things but it shows we cant just compare it with several helmets for just proof,or im wrong about this and theres something that i didnt know.(mold on winter :confused)
I'll show it later on this post,because i put my other helmet on the office
FON
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The width can change no problem, pull to pull. Its a case of warpage, and how soon (while warm) its removed from the mould, or lack of vacuum to pull the plastic close enough in to the sides of the mould. A tiny bump however can't be on each of those makers helmets without it being directly in the moulds that each helmet came from.
GINO
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TM has been making helmets for years based on these recasts so I would not be surprised to see variances between different styles or versions since the time he started.
As far as his armor goes, I have to say that I have not taken enough time to examine it enough to tell if it started out as a recast that he modified as well. My first inclination is that it is scratch sculpt because it is so far off from the screen used in many places (in areas that the rotj armor is inherently still correct). At this point, I cannot offer an informed opinion on it.
Everyone knows my feelings about recasters. That's not what this whole thing is about. It is about keeping clear the lineage of fan made trooper stuff out there.
I think it would go a long way if he were to come here and own up to it all. We all know he did it. I know he's been reading the thread here and on FISD.
If he can't admit it now after all of this, I fear his honor and credibility amongst his peers will never regain itself.
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As far as his armor goes, I have to say that I have not taken enough time to examine it enough to tell if it started out as a recast that he modified as well. My first inclination is that it is scratch sculpt because it is so far off from the screen used in many places (in areas that the rotj armor is inherently still correct). At this point, I cannot offer an informed opinion on it.
Everyone knows my feelings about recasters. That's not what this whole thing is about. It is about keeping clear the lineage of fan made trooper stuff out there.
I think it would go a long way if he were to come here and own up to it all. We all know he did it. I know he's been reading the thread here and on FISD.
If he can't admit it now after all of this, I fear his honor and credibility amongst his peers will never regain itself.
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JBReplicas
Master Member
FTR I wasn't wishing it to get locked up at all, just thought it would probably happen is all, and yes the evidence does seem telling
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Qui-Gonzalez
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Wow, what a thread. I will stick to trying to pick out the subtleties in Vader helmets. I will say this though, those bumps near the mic tips are pretty damned telling.
TKDUEUNO
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Since Gino's helmets are recasted too, all this is even more ridiculous.
This is my TM:
And take a look at this picture:
You can easily tell which one is the TM, the AP and the TE2, because the TM is way different. And you can't say that it's only a matter of trimming/assembly.
Just look how wider and bigger the TM eyes are than TE2/AP!
This is my TM:
And take a look at this picture:
You can easily tell which one is the TM, the AP and the TE2, because the TM is way different. And you can't say that it's only a matter of trimming/assembly.
Just look how wider and bigger the TM eyes are than TE2/AP!
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runnriottt
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Bobtherocker
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Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate :cool
When it comes to this subject there is no 'keeping things simple'
One person sees similarities where others see differences.
Looking at the birdseye view I could see more differences in overall shape and detail than I could similarities. While everyone was focusing on the little bump were they looking at the surrounding areas and noticing the subtle differences? I will concede that the bump is rather damning evidence but also knowing how anal TM is on accuracy and detail I cant think why he would go to all the trouble of altering a recast face-plate enough to make it appear like an original sculpt and thus going against his 'accuracy is my desire' ethos, why he would recast anyway knowing how sharp eyed the community is in the first place especially GINO. He would have known he would never get away with it which is what made me think he was genuine.
GINO, you should so be in politics man, i've never seen anyone force a point so hard and traverse actually answering any questions. not a dig, a respectful observation of your debating skills :thumbsup
I'll be honest, I wish it wasnt the case as I've always been a strong supporter of TM for his sculpting skills and positive attitude but that tiny little bump is pretty hard to escape from. I need to meditate further on this.....
runnriottt
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Now here is a stupid thought...
The TE2 and Gino are Styrene. All these pics of the bump are glossy. This would point to Paint.
The TM is ABS. No Paint required.
Lets see an unpainted Gino/TE bump.
The TE2 and Gino are Styrene. All these pics of the bump are glossy. This would point to Paint.
The TM is ABS. No Paint required.
Lets see an unpainted Gino/TE bump.
TKDUEUNO
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You beated me to it.
The comparison must be done on virgin faceplates.
Early TM were HIPS, recent ones like mine are acrylic-capped ABS.
If someone is really willing to do scientific comparisons on helmets send me a TE2 faceplate.
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Qui-Gonzalez
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It isn't a stupid thought, but it would not explain the bump being on the TM that was posted a few posts back.
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