kristen jones
Master Member
I agree... and that would make an interesting way of going forward without necessarily being beholden to one or the other.
BSG reboot reboot
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Doesn't mean it's good just because it gets acclaim. The Oscars routinely go to terrible movies and the Bayformer movies make tons of money for being garbage.
True, but in this case it actually was well deserved.
As I have pointed out a few times, by every measurable, quantifiable, acceptable metric available outside of random posts on the Internet, so a bit more then that.
There ya go again, simple opinions,Plenty here and elsewhere found it to be coarse and a tragic waste of promising material
As I have pointed out a few times, by every measurable, quantifiable, acceptable metric available outside of random posts on the Internet, so a bit more then that.
So just out of curiosity, how does one qualify if a work of entertainment is a success if you ignore critical opinion, audience ratings, financial success, creative awards, ect.? If you refuse to accept various forms of analysis and your only support to your argument is finding a few like minded folks on a forum, is that the best arbiter?
kristen jones
Master Member
And mine. :lol
And a lot of other people who also liked it.
and to Bryan's post above:
No... indeed it is not the best arbiter.
But that doesn't matter one jot to some. :rolleyes
C'mon now, there are quite more than " a few like minded folks on various forums" that did not care for it.
We get it, you liked it, in your opinion it was a unmitigated success.
Such a unmitigated success that it did'nt go over 5 years.
We get it, you liked it, in your opinion it was a unmitigated success.
Such a unmitigated success that it did'nt go over 5 years.
G W Zipper
Sr Member
Does anyone even have to say the original BSG only lasted one year? Five years is a pretty good run...
Not really. Five years is an unbelievable game changing run in the 70s. Today its average for a reality show about giving haircuts to Dogs.
Honey Boo Boo got five seasons.
Edit: it's ok when people don't like your favorite shows. Even if the show makes money. It's still allowed.
Honey Boo Boo got five seasons.
Edit: it's ok when people don't like your favorite shows. Even if the show makes money. It's still allowed.
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Cephus
Master Member
Pretty much. How long has Saturday Night Live been on the air? 41 years? 800 episodes? Is there anyone who thinks that show is good? Or how about any of the soap operas? There are some that have been around for more than 50 years, thousands of episodes, are those good quality? I'd say no.
Riceball
Master Member
I'm in the middle of re-watching the original BSG right now and as much as I liked it, it's definitely a product of its times and for all the hate, there are some things that the reboot does better. For on thing, something that's bothered me for a long time is that the Cylon Raiders were manned, why? Why does a robotic race want or need manned fighters, or any other ship outside the Basestar? That's something I felt that the new BSG got right over the original, completely robotic Raiders, if you can build a Centurion then building an unmanned Raider shouldn't pose any problems. For that matter, why do the Cylons need visible instrumentation in their Basestars, shouldn't the Raiders be able to tap in directly to the ship's systems via some sort of wifi or Bluetooth, or even just plug themselves in ala R2D2? Granted the wireless concept in computing hadn't been thought of, much less developed yet but certainly the idea of just plugging in existed so why go with the visual displays?
What I'll give the original BSG props for is being a fairly progressive show, esp. for the time given the (for its time) diverse cast. It not only featured two black men in fairly prominent roles in the cast, they also had some fairly strong female characters in a time where strong women on screen was virtually unheard of. Then there were the uniforms, they still look pretty cool to this day although the new BSG did do better in giving the pilots actual flight suits and real dress uniforms, but the normal Warrior uniform a very nice costume design.
The other thing that the original BSG did better than the new, in my opinion, is to have a more coherent overall plot. Granted it wasn't really a serial sort of show it did have a solid premise behind it and it did, to a degree, build upon things that happened in previous episodes. Maybe because of its more serial nature the show never got too convoluted in its plots, never really had any of its characters act way out of character or come up with any crazy plot devices that had not consequences or was ever revisited again.
What I'll give the original BSG props for is being a fairly progressive show, esp. for the time given the (for its time) diverse cast. It not only featured two black men in fairly prominent roles in the cast, they also had some fairly strong female characters in a time where strong women on screen was virtually unheard of. Then there were the uniforms, they still look pretty cool to this day although the new BSG did do better in giving the pilots actual flight suits and real dress uniforms, but the normal Warrior uniform a very nice costume design.
The other thing that the original BSG did better than the new, in my opinion, is to have a more coherent overall plot. Granted it wasn't really a serial sort of show it did have a solid premise behind it and it did, to a degree, build upon things that happened in previous episodes. Maybe because of its more serial nature the show never got too convoluted in its plots, never really had any of its characters act way out of character or come up with any crazy plot devices that had not consequences or was ever revisited again.
kristen jones
Master Member
Technically the raiders in the NuBSG weren't unmanned, either...remember? When Starbuck shot down that one raider that they took back to Galactica it had an organic "Cylon" inside of it. Six mentioned that this type of "Cylon" was grown specifically for the raiders... they are completely integrated into them. BUT they still are technically sentient, because there were a few times where Six and some of the other skin jobs remarked about how the raiders "felt" about this or that decision that was being made about them. They were given some sort of inhibitor which made them subserviant;unable to "think for themselves"...though it was apparent that this could be lifted and they could in fact operate autononously, as evidenced by the raider "Scar", which had a vengeful streak for the Humans.
Riceball
Master Member
You have a point, still, it's better than building it with a cockpit that you stick 3 humanoid robots into. It's like the Separatist tanks in the Star Wars PT and Clone Wars, they have droid infantry and droid fighters, so why didn't they have droid tanks? Why design a tank that has to be manned by battle droids, why not just equip with battle droid brains and extra sensors for the driver's position and the TC?
Solo4114
Master Member
When you start considering that, why have any vehicles or vessels that have manned positions at all? Why not just have each tank, each cruiser, each battleship, etc. be its own entity, albeit maybe with multiple processing functions so that it can do more than one thing at a time?
Ultimately, I think the answer is "Because that's too abstract, and it works better for telling the story to have anthropomorphic enemies, albeit disposable ones." Really, when you get down to it, you have to ask, like, why even have humanoid robots for combat at all. The design isn't really 'better." You'd work better having, like, spherical droids or multi-legged droids and such. And then later on, they end up showing tank droids like those four-legged spider droids, and the droids that fire rockets and roll on two big treaded rings.
There's an alternative answer in-universe, I suppose, in that creators make their 'bots in their own image sorta. So, the Neimoidians are bipedal and therefore make their battle droids bipedal. The Cylon creators were humanoid-ish, so they made the Cylons humanoid-ish, before they died out or were destroyed.
astroboy
Master Member
The issue I had with the raiders in the NuBSG is the idea that they were essentially slaves. (as were the centurions) So much of the themes around BSG were the freedoms and rights of the cylons as individuals. But then to create a caste system with a labour class within their ranks kind of undermines the central themes.
Solo4114
Master Member
Or goes back to the notion of "People (and Cylons) are complicated."
I mean, like George Carlin said, America is a land founded by a bunch of white slaveowners who wanted to be free, ya know?
astroboy
Master Member
That's hilarious!
Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps "livin' the dream" for a raider is all about hanging out in a hangar for 99% of your life.
Or maybe they just do a LOT of joyriding
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