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BSG reboot reboot
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion...except for you.
Your opinion is wrong. :lol
HerbertHHiebert
New Member
I hope the Movie (Franchise!?) is coming as a big epic space opera!
For me Battlestar Galactica was always to big and expensive for the small screen.
It looks like the go back to the original Glen A. Larson story/concept.
Fact is Glen A. Larson could never do the original concept on TV they never
had the budget and time to do it (Cylons leader are reptiles, special effects, etc.)
and it would be to dark for TV in 70ths-80ths.
Battlestar Galactica was first made as a Mini-Series but was becoming overnight a normal Series.
I would say the Bryan Singer/Tom DeSanto project was a way in the right direction but at the end it
was to expensive for a TV show again. (for me it had nothing to do with 9/11!)
Universal could build with Battlestar Galactica a big franchise like Star Wars!!
I never could understand that Universal never saw not the potential for this franchise?
Have you ever seen the Pilot (Saga of a Star World) on the big screen in Sensurround?
But I have to say in my Country Battlestar Galactica was a Cinema/Theater movie
Pilot/Living Legend and years later a disappointed 3 movie.
Years later the Series was coming to us and was in some way disappointed and the best episodes
were the 2-3 part episodes like the Pilot, Lost Planet of the Gods, Gun on Ice Planet Zero, The Living Legend
so far I know this episodes were already written for the mini series!?
The rest of the show they run out of money and good scripts and that's a shame because
the potential of the story is great.
Sorry for my bad English sometime.
For me Battlestar Galactica was always to big and expensive for the small screen.
It looks like the go back to the original Glen A. Larson story/concept.
Fact is Glen A. Larson could never do the original concept on TV they never
had the budget and time to do it (Cylons leader are reptiles, special effects, etc.)
and it would be to dark for TV in 70ths-80ths.
Battlestar Galactica was first made as a Mini-Series but was becoming overnight a normal Series.
I would say the Bryan Singer/Tom DeSanto project was a way in the right direction but at the end it
was to expensive for a TV show again. (for me it had nothing to do with 9/11!)
Universal could build with Battlestar Galactica a big franchise like Star Wars!!
I never could understand that Universal never saw not the potential for this franchise?
Have you ever seen the Pilot (Saga of a Star World) on the big screen in Sensurround?
But I have to say in my Country Battlestar Galactica was a Cinema/Theater movie
Pilot/Living Legend and years later a disappointed 3 movie.
Years later the Series was coming to us and was in some way disappointed and the best episodes
were the 2-3 part episodes like the Pilot, Lost Planet of the Gods, Gun on Ice Planet Zero, The Living Legend
so far I know this episodes were already written for the mini series!?
The rest of the show they run out of money and good scripts and that's a shame because
the potential of the story is great.
Sorry for my bad English sometime.
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She was shacking up with Don Henley in the 80's!
robn1
Master Member
I agree, I'm sick of this dark crap. NuBSG seemed to take it to an extreme. It was uncomfortably gritty, I swear I could smell the bad breath on those people. Every episode left me feeling like I needed a shower.
It wasn't such a bad show though in general, it was an interesting idea. It just wasn't Battlestar Galactica. Which is another example of why I hate reboots so much, if film/TV makers don't want to be true to the original material then leave it alone. Take your ideas and make something original.
G W Zipper
Well-Known Member
I did see BSG in the theater, in sensurround. Cool effect, I recall it turning my stomach every time the vipers flipped into turbo mode, any explosions, and when the Galactica flew past. The movie that really did sensurround well was Midway, which came out a couple years earlier. Too much subwoofer can be a very cool thing. I think I recall there being several cases of medical issues being blamed on Sensurround, which may have rightly or wrongly helped bring about its demise. Probably the real thing that did it in was the multiplex theater, though, as every screen in the building knew it when the Cylon base ship blew up, etc. I kind of miss it...
Regarding Maren Jensen, I said above in my first post in this thread that she quit acting shortly after BSG because she developed Epstein-Barr Syndrome. Among other things, it really saps your energy. She eventually beat it and lives on the East Coast with her family and is doing just fine not being an actress. *heh*
Regarding limitations of the original series... *sigh* I blame ABC. Glen wanted another year of development time (in part, to get more of a stable of VFX shots built up), and wanted it to be a 12-20-episode miniseries (as were popular at the time -- see "Centennial" and "Shogun"). ABC wanted to capitalize on the success of Star Wars and get something out sooner rather than later. They also insisted on an ongoing series versus the miniseries. My preferred viewing tends to skim over the "filler" episodes and focus on the main "quest for Earth"/"fight the Cylons" episodes. "The Long Patrol", "The Lost Warrior", "Living Legend", "War of the Gods" -- there are quite a few solid episodes that move the story forward (even taking into account awkward '70s production tropes). I was disappointed the "Special Edition" didn't do more to address the VFX budget/time constraints, such as slightly different models for the other battlestars -- the lore had been that each colony had built only one or two, that they took years and years to build, and they were all well over a hundred years old, and some far more.
--Jonah
Regarding limitations of the original series... *sigh* I blame ABC. Glen wanted another year of development time (in part, to get more of a stable of VFX shots built up), and wanted it to be a 12-20-episode miniseries (as were popular at the time -- see "Centennial" and "Shogun"). ABC wanted to capitalize on the success of Star Wars and get something out sooner rather than later. They also insisted on an ongoing series versus the miniseries. My preferred viewing tends to skim over the "filler" episodes and focus on the main "quest for Earth"/"fight the Cylons" episodes. "The Long Patrol", "The Lost Warrior", "Living Legend", "War of the Gods" -- there are quite a few solid episodes that move the story forward (even taking into account awkward '70s production tropes). I was disappointed the "Special Edition" didn't do more to address the VFX budget/time constraints, such as slightly different models for the other battlestars -- the lore had been that each colony had built only one or two, that they took years and years to build, and they were all well over a hundred years old, and some far more.
--Jonah
Cephus
Master Member
Precisely. Dark for the sake of dark is idiotic, but a big part of that is having characters that people defend as "flawed" when they're not really flawed, they're entirely failed. They have no redeeming characteristics whatsoever. They are just awful human beings on every possible level. If we're supposed to want humanity to find Earth and restart a society, these people are not the ones that I want leading the way. These are people I want to see put down like the rabid dogs they are. If you can't identify with the characters, if you can't want these characters to succeed on their own merits, then what's the point?
nwjedidave
Sr Member
NuBSG > original BSG
end of discussion.
end of discussion.
B-Movie Zombie
Sr Member
That's one thing (out of Many) that Bug me about the Original. "Oh, almost my entire race was wipe out. I think I'm going to smoke a cigar, gamble a bit and try to get this alien chick a record deal". was what Starbuck was about in the pilot. UGH!
Boba Debt
Master Member
I don't get the opinion that it was too dark.
90% of the human race is exterminated and the remaining people are supposed to be upbeat and optimistic???????
I was a teen when I watched the original series and I cringed at the lack of concern the characters had over the scope of what happened.
astroboy
Master Member
Yeah...the pilot was so uneven.
The first half was great. And then the casino.......
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HerbertHHiebert
New Member
Solo4114
Master Member
Minor point, but the "Caliphate" (a.k.a. the Ottoman empire) had been the "sick man of Europe" for at least 40 years by the end of WW1. It would have likely collapsed under internal pressures anyway, which, given the presence of petroleum deposits, would've led to the same kind of scramble to gobble it up by the western powers that ended up happening anyway.
I guess that was the end of her innocence...
That would've been so much better on both counts. A closed-ended mini-series where they actually REACH Earth would've been terrific. Instead, the ongoing series just felt kinda...unfocused. And it never resolved effectively (I do not count Galactica 1980).
Also, even as a kid, I recognized that I was watching, like, the same 5 f/x shots over and over.
I think that, especially in the early 2000s, there was a sort of pervasive sense of...I dunno...despair? A recognition that the world was a much harder, crueler place than our culture had believed? That seeped into a lot of the art of the time.
I also think that, in general, people want more grounded characters and settings. I think, however, that we've seen a shift away from that. If you look at the sort of sunny optimism of the TV comic book shows, the kind of bright, upbeat movies that Marvel puts out, etc., there's sort of a balance being struck to where things still need to feel somewhat realistic, but the gritty grimdark crap that showed up EVERYWHERE after the Nolan Batman films has dissipated quite a bit.
astroboy
Master Member
Riceball
Master Member
Macross was very much a thing then, by that time they had Macrosss
YRL, Macross II, Macross Plus, and Macross 7. By the time the new BSG came out anime fans in the US were all well aware of Macross and Macross II and Plus both had domestic releases on home video and DYRL had some crappy versions out there as well. So to say that Macross was relatively unknown by the early 2000s is a gross understatement. Whether or not RDM was aware of it at the time is another matter entirely.
astroboy
Master Member
I was referring to the lizard cylons plan to build a super army of robots AND a leader to rule over them.
Who builds a master to rule over them?
Riceball
Master Member
The problem with rebooting BSG, or any other show/movie for that matter, is that it's a very difficult thing to do right, too far to one side and you get a blatant rip off of the original with so little originality you might as well have not done it. Too far to the other side and it becomes barely recognizable as a reboot of the original IP and might as well have been its own thing with a name of its own. What many here are complaining about is the latter, but if they did the former it would almost certainly have either drawn as much ire or it would have failed badly because a modern audience can't relate to a show with a '70s sensibility to it, modern VFX notwithstanding.
The best option would probably have been a sequel but who, outside a small core of fans, would want to see a sequel series to a show that came out in the late '70s, and one that only lasted one season at that. One could argue that they did that with Trek, but Trek had a very vocal, and pretty decent sized fan base, lasted 3 - 4 seasons before going off the air, and not to mention several movies before TNG came out and TNG wasn't a direct sequel either. Face it, BSG was never the cultural phenomena that Star Trek was and a reboot was the only realistic way of getting BSG on the air again.
The best option would probably have been a sequel but who, outside a small core of fans, would want to see a sequel series to a show that came out in the late '70s, and one that only lasted one season at that. One could argue that they did that with Trek, but Trek had a very vocal, and pretty decent sized fan base, lasted 3 - 4 seasons before going off the air, and not to mention several movies before TNG came out and TNG wasn't a direct sequel either. Face it, BSG was never the cultural phenomena that Star Trek was and a reboot was the only realistic way of getting BSG on the air again.
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