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I'm curious if anyone has any info on helmet symbology... I've been doing a bunch of searching, but haven't been able to find a source that explains many of the helmet markings. Obviously the Alliance crest needs no explanation, and some markings are going to be individual to the pilots.

These I've seen explained on several sites as 'victory' symbols, but haven't found an explanation of yellow vs. red?

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Does anyone know an explanation for the following:

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I've seen this referred to as a 'heat dissipation grid' on one site, but that doesn't seem plausible?

How 'bout this one, which also appears on a number of pilots' helmets?

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Just curious if there's any explanation behind this stuff, even though it probably started out as just random artwork.
There really isn't a canon explanation for the various symbols so people just use their imagination. Just go with whatever you want them to represent.

The most common explanations I've seen are that the V marks are kill marks and the red and yellow are different denominations-- i.e. red might be five kills, yellow might be ten. Or red is starfighter kills, yellow is warship kills... Things like that.

The "sliced onion" graphic I've often seen people refer it as a symbol memorializing the Battle of Yavin or the destruction of the first Death Star, though that doesn't make much sense seeing as how that symbol was on helmets before the battle...

The "wing" graphic I haven't really seen anyone guessing at very often. Maybe it's a graphic symbolizing being a "pilot", or maybe it's some kind of prestige mark or award, or... Well, who knows? Again, everyone's just been taking a guess at these, there are no canon explanations.
 
Can anyone tell whether the markings are applied as decals, or are they just painted directly on? Essentially, if you were going to a custom paint job, would they have to be removed, or could you apply a base coat right over them without any trouble?
 
Can anyone tell whether the markings are applied as decals, or are they just painted directly on? Essentially, if you were going to a custom paint job, would they have to be removed, or could you apply a base coat right over them without any trouble?
I think most were decals as they were raised.
 
The problem with decals is the curves surface will cause folds if it's solid.
The comet may not be to much of a problem if it's in pieces and not one solid decal.
A hair dryer would be required to soften the decal to stretch over the curved surface.

I taped off, hand cut and painted the comets and text on my CORSEC helmet.
 
I prefer to think of the graphics of the helmets to be logos of past squadrons or personal things of interest maybe even a sports team or even a symbol that means something like a peace symbol or happy face.

I really dislike the idea the V is a kill symbol or victory symbol. It would be in poor taste for Luke to wear someone else’s accomplishments. Why can’t they simply be something like the stickers you find on bananas and the previous owner would stick them on his helmet when he ate one. Why can’t we have an open mind for things like this? Why does it have to be, “Oh it looks like a V so it stands for victory.” These are the same brainiacs that name their gold fish “Goldie”. Oh well.
 
Oh those decals... no ones "knows" what they are... but they are very cool.

I have always thought Luke was literally just given a helmet ....

Rebel tech: Hey this kid needs a helmet, we got one lying around....

Rebel tech 2: yeah Bob just broke his leg and cant fly.. <bob mumbles pff camera> ... Bob says the kid can use his helmet... okay ... um does it fit?....

<thunk> ...
Luke: ow, hey! What piece a junk!

Rebel tech: its a bit large but it fits... well enough... you can hear stuff right kid!?!

Rebel Tech 2: send him up in it ....

Bob: tell him im not that attached to it... so if he doesn't make it back its okay...
 
Oh those decals... no ones "knows" what they are... but they are very cool.

I have always thought Luke was literally just given a helmet ....

Rebel tech: Hey this kid needs a helmet, we got one lying around....

Rebel tech 2: yeah Bob just broke his leg and cant fly.. <bob mumbles pff camera> ... Bob says the kid can use his helmet... okay ... um does it fit?....

<thunk> ...
Luke: ow, hey! What piece a junk!

Rebel tech: its a bit large but it fits... well enough... you can hear stuff right kid!?!

Rebel Tech 2: send him up in it ....

Bob: tell him im not that attached to it... so if he doesn't make it back its okay...

Haha classic! I always wondered how Luke got a decorated helmet for his first flight in a X-wing let alone first battle, let alone the Alliance letting him attack the biggest weapon the Empire possesses when Luke had no previous battle experience at that time.
 
Haha classic! I always wondered how Luke got a decorated helmet for his first flight in a X-wing let alone first battle, let alone the Alliance letting him attack the biggest weapon the Empire possesses when Luke had no previous battle experience at that time.
Yup. I always assumed it was a leftover helmet from some Red Group pilot who was out of commission. The radio drama had Luke testing on a simulator while the Rebels were extracting and analyzing the data in Artoo. And there was stuff about Incom using the same control layout in the T-16 Skyhopper as the T-65 X-Wing to make the transition easier for bush pilots.

Prior to Rogue One screwing it up, the visuals and dialogue in ANH indicate the same yellow-red-blue heirarchy seen in clone ranks, Imperial ranks, and Mandalorian Protector ranks. Blue Group would be the rookies, as evidenced by their clean new helmets. Luke tested out well enough, with Biggs vouching for him, to get into the veteran Red Group. And Gold Group are the aces, the elites who get first run at the objective.
 
Yup. I always assumed it was a leftover helmet from some Red Group pilot who was out of commission. The radio drama had Luke testing on a simulator while the Rebels were extracting and analyzing the data in Artoo. And there was stuff about Incom using the same control layout in the T-16 Skyhopper as the T-65 X-Wing to make the transition easier for bush pilots.

Prior to Rogue One screwing it up, the visuals and dialogue in ANH indicate the same yellow-red-blue heirarchy seen in clone ranks, Imperial ranks, and Mandalorian Protector ranks. Blue Group would be the rookies, as evidenced by their clean new helmets. Luke tested out well enough, with Biggs vouching for him, to get into the veteran Red Group. And Gold Group are the aces, the elites who get first run at the objective.
I had wondered where the older rpg books got the info that the skyhopper and the xwing were similar UI.

Id never heard of the blue, red, gold ranking before... pretty neat idea though.
 
Thanks for all the replies... I figured there wasn't any hard and fast explanation, but there's enough stuff out there in the EU to provide a bit of insight, as some of you have shown.

I really dislike the idea the V is a kill symbol or victory symbol. It would be in poor taste for Luke to wear someone else’s accomplishments.

As I understand, Lucas took a lot of inspiration from WWII, so it would make sense that pilots would 'celebrate' victories by personalizing their aircraft/helmets. They may just represent missions survived, as some of the markings on WWII bombers, we'll probably never know for sure.

As far as Luke's "stolen valor", as explained above... just a necessity of the moment. He needed a helmet, so they grabbed what was available. What is interesting is that it remained essentially unchanged through the OT.
 
Thanks for all the replies... I figured there wasn't any hard and fast explanation, but there's enough stuff out there in the EU to provide a bit of insight, as some of you have shown.



As I understand, Lucas took a lot of inspiration from WWII, so it would make sense that pilots would 'celebrate' victories by personalizing their aircraft/helmets. They may just represent missions survived, as some of the markings on WWII bombers, we'll probably never know for sure.

As far as Luke's "stolen valor", as explained above... just a necessity of the moment. He needed a helmet, so they grabbed what was available. What is interesting is that it remained essentially unchanged through the OT.


And since pilots did not keep track of victories or kills on their helmet, then that little tidbit of trivia is not relevant.

And while I agree Luke was issued used flight gear due to the rebels utilizing equipment that could get ahold of, and he went right into battle. He had plenty of time to remove them afterwards. So with all that being said, I choose to believe the markings are not kill/victory markings and Luke is not a dick.
 
Prior to Rogue One screwing it up, the visuals and dialogue in ANH indicate the same yellow-red-blue heirarchy seen in clone ranks, Imperial ranks, and Mandalorian Protector ranks. Blue Group would be the rookies, as evidenced by their clean new helmets. Luke tested out well enough, with Biggs vouching for him, to get into the veteran Red Group. And Gold Group are the aces, the elites who get first run at the objective.

I'm not sure where you heard that but it just sounds awful..... just awful.

And additionally... Rogue One screwed nothing up. Rogue One is awesome... Simply AWESOME!
 
Some more ESB mods. The mic tip is simply tapped to hell onto the inside with the ear pad covering till I find a glue that bonds to the plastic. The chin strap is very uncomfortable wearing this way. I may switch it back. I still need to add the nose guard for accuracy. But the visor doesn't hit my nose. I may do more black washes on the weathering.

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Can anyone tell whether the markings are applied as decals, or are they just painted directly on? Essentially, if you were going to a custom paint job, would they have to be removed, or could you apply a base coat right over them without any trouble?
I think people misunderstood your question. The deco on the BS helmet is paint as far as I can tell, not decals. The paint application has a tiny bit of depth, so you'd want to sand the area down though.
 
Prior to Rogue One screwing it up, the visuals and dialogue in ANH indicate the same yellow-red-blue heirarchy seen in clone ranks, Imperial ranks, and Mandalorian Protector ranks. Blue Group would be the rookies, as evidenced by their clean new helmets. Luke tested out well enough, with Biggs vouching for him, to get into the veteran Red Group. And Gold Group are the aces, the elites who get first run at the objective.
I'm not sure where you heard that but it just sounds awful..... just awful.
Which part? The color-heirarchy thing has been present all the way through. It being called "Gold Group" in ANH and ROTJ, rather than "Yellow Group" implies something. They were the ones to make the first run on the exhaust port, and not because they were bombers or something -- that got added well after the films by game designers to justify something that didn't need justifying. The Phase I clone trooper ranks are blue for Lieutenants, red for Captains, and yellow for Commanders. And so on throughout. It's almost as pervasive as T-visors and extraneous scopes.

If you mean the Luke jumping past rookie status, that's touched on a little in the novelization and fleshed out more in the radio drama. The vouching made it in, albeit in a different place than originally scripted, cut for the theatrical release anyway, and partially restored from the Special Edition on: "Sir, Luke is the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim Territories." They've already got a sense of Biggs' abilities, as he's flying with Red Group, and here he is saying this about the new kid.

Couple that with there being a lot of Blue Group pilots in the award ceremony at the end of the movie (like, at least fifty). Why did none of them get Red 5 over Luke? All those identical, unindividualized, undecorated, blue-insigniaed helmets do not imply pilots who have been flying for very long. Those were made for the unit Luke was going to be flying with until they discovered the blue markings one the models disappeared in the bluescreen process, and they got changed to red. Luke didn't get stuck in a ship for lack of pilots, so something else is in play. To me, clean and undecorated helmets heavily imply "newbie", where decorated and weathered helmets imply "being doing this a while". From the visual storytelling in the film, Red and Gold have more experienced pilots than Blue.
And additionally... Rogue One screwed nothing up. Rogue One is awesome... Simply AWESOME!
There are a lot of good moments and elements, but... agree to disagree?

They re-contextualized Blue Group in a way that does not fit with ANH. They, ah... took creative liberties with the flight suits that do not align with the film that is supposed to immediately follow (notice the repurposed footage of Red and Gold Leaders do not show them wearing cold-weather parkas like all the new pilots -- in all groups -- are wearing). They blow up Red 5, even though the paint on Luke's wings definitely has not been touched up recently. And that's just a bit of the aerospace battle...

Pretty sure you know about my rewrite project. I've deconstructed Rogue One the same way as the rest -- isolating what worked and what didn't, and why, and noodling up how it might have been done differently so as to work better. So I'm not just a hater, or don't know what I'm talking about, or sour-grapes-ing, here. Overall, I do like that film. But it did make mistakes, storytelling-wise as well as lore-wise and continuity-wise. One can acknowledge that and enjoy the film regardless.
 
Which part? The color-heirarchy thing has been present all the way through. It being called "Gold Group" in ANH and ROTJ, rather than "Yellow Group" implies something. They were the ones to make the first run on the exhaust port, and not because they were bombers or something -- that got added well after the films by game designers to justify something that didn't need justifying. The Phase I clone trooper ranks are blue for Lieutenants, red for Captains, and yellow for Commanders. And so on throughout. It's almost as pervasive as T-visors and extraneous scopes.

If you mean the Luke jumping past rookie status, that's touched on a little in the novelization and fleshed out more in the radio drama. The vouching made it in, albeit in a different place than originally scripted, cut for the theatrical release anyway, and partially restored from the Special Edition on: "Sir, Luke is the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim Territories." They've already got a sense of Biggs' abilities, as he's flying with Red Group, and here he is saying this about the new kid.

Couple that with there being a lot of Blue Group pilots in the award ceremony at the end of the movie (like, at least fifty). Why did none of them get Red 5 over Luke? All those identical, unindividualized, undecorated, blue-insigniaed helmets do not imply pilots who have been flying for very long. Those were made for the unit Luke was going to be flying with until they discovered the blue markings one the models disappeared in the bluescreen process, and they got changed to red. Luke didn't get stuck in a ship for lack of pilots, so something else is in play. To me, clean and undecorated helmets heavily imply "newbie", where decorated and weathered helmets imply "being doing this a while". From the visual storytelling in the film, Red and Gold have more experienced pilots than Blue.

There are a lot of good moments and elements, but... agree to disagree?

They re-contextualized Blue Group in a way that does not fit with ANH. They, ah... took creative liberties with the flight suits that do not align with the film that is supposed to immediately follow (notice the repurposed footage of Red and Gold Leaders do not show them wearing cold-weather parkas like all the new pilots -- in all groups -- are wearing). They blow up Red 5, even though the paint on Luke's wings definitely has not been touched up recently. And that's just a bit of the aerospace battle...

Pretty sure you know about my rewrite project. I've deconstructed Rogue One the same way as the rest -- isolating what worked and what didn't, and why, and noodling up how it might have been done differently so as to work better. So I'm not just a hater, or don't know what I'm talking about, or sour-grapes-ing, here. Overall, I do like that film. But it did make mistakes, storytelling-wise as well as lore-wise and continuity-wise. One can acknowledge that and enjoy the film regardless.

Is "aweful-er" a word? Because I really think it applies here. Most of your posting is just rambling and not really making logical case to support your argument,

By the way, the novelization and radio drama have a lot of contradictory info to the movie and therefore you can't really use them as support because you can't pick and choose what is and is what is not canon from the material.

It is ridiculous to have a squadron of rookies and a different squadron of higher qualified pilots. You would want to mix them together. That is just common sense. Otherwise you are basically just sending lambs to slaughter.

New helmet vs used helmet. What is the big mystery here? Sure, there might be some pilots in these squadrons that have been flying a long time, and they may have their own helmets, maybe even before joining the rebellion. But there are probably a lot of pilot, no matter with a lot of experience or not that do not have helmets and when they join the rebellion, get issued a helmet. They are not going to be a system for issuing helmets, they are simply going to give them one that fits based on what is available. The Rebels are going to use whatever helmets they can get a hold of. Stuff donated by other planets who support the alliance (new and used), maybe some pilots who died in ground attacks when they were not in flight gear, etc... I think we can believe Luke got the helmet he did because it fit on his head. Maybe he wanted a new one but they did not have any his size or maybe even some of other experienced pilots wanted new helmets and traded in their old beat up helmets and those helmets got reissued to people like Biggs and Luke who recently joined up.

I still don't understand why people cannot expand their minds? Who says that the troops in the ceremony were there when the Battle of Yavin started? Why can't these pilots be reinforcements that did not arrive till after the battle. To me, it makes sense that once they realized the Death Star was on it's way, they asked for reinforcements. And now with Rogue One in the mix, it is even possible that these forces were on the way as a result of the Battle of Scarif either to try to help in the actual battle or to replenish losses from the battle.

And what about Luke's ship markings. What if Red 5 (Luke's future craft) was down and they got another X-wing marked up as 5 for the Scarif battle. What if they had recently received X-Wings from various sources and there were two X-Wings from difference sources with both Red 5 markings. What if Red 5 in the Scarif battle was a Red 4 and they added a new hash marking to make it into a 5? What if the guy who paints the markings on the X-wings is an artist and makes the new makings look weathered?

Why do you have to be so joyless and focus on why things are wrong instead of understanding how they might be right?
 
Some more ESB mods. The mic tip is simply tapped to hell onto the inside with the ear pad covering till I find a glue that bonds to the plastic. The chin strap is very uncomfortable wearing this way. I may switch it back. I still need to add the nose guard for accuracy. But the visor doesn't hit my nose. I may do more black washes on the weathering.

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well you could just put the strap back the way it was and then swivel the mic into the helmet and hide it and be Luke running around Hoth. That would be movie accurate except for the raised visor.

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btw, it’s not hitting your nose because you are wearing it tilted back too far. You should not be exposing so much forehead. Go back and look at other pictures of Luke wearing his helmet and how far down it is on his brow.
 
I would like to see if anyone develops some custom ear pads. Specifically some that are longer and fuller that run along the bottom shape of the helmet like you sometimes see with some pilots or the larger darker ones you see on Luke’s in Return of the Jedi.
 
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