Black Series Helmets - whats next after Boba Fett

Selling multiple runs of re-paints is what allows Hasbro to bring us new/different helmets. I know it's impossible to feel sorry for a multi-billion dollar company but they don't have unlimited funds for R&D and tooling. Re-paints allow them to make more money on a product they already spent money to produce, and more money and more success a line sees the more likely they are to make new/different items in the same line.
 
I was confused because they announced the helmet during their "AOTC Celebrations" segment and yet showed off a ROTS trooper helmet? Hasbro is very confusing...
What they explained was that this year marked the 20 year anniversary of the clone trooper and the Clone War era. So they are celebrating that, and not specifically Attack of the Clones anniversary.

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Hasbro should be releasing AOTC Phase 1 Clones. (White, Red (Target exclusive) Blue (Walmart exclusive) and Yellow (Amazon exclusive)) and a Jango Fett helmet. Then you have 3 lightsabers to pick from for the FX elite line.

Instead we’re getting a ROTS Clonetrooper…
 
Which they can also do all of those things with. Coruscant Shocktroopers (red), 501st (blue), 327th Star Corps (yellow)... It makes sense they got the asset for the Phase II, with it being a current thing in Lucasfilm's activities. Lucasfilm has not, on the other hand, done anything with the Phase I clones in about a decade. Which was also about the last time we saw Jango or his helmet.

With luck Hasbro will be able to re-work their existing Phase I into a Black Series (any CG asset they got from Lucasfilm would need to be altered to accommodate a nose), and a Jango would be nice, but also require a ground-up R&D process (smaller than the Boba, different shape to all the pieces, etc.). I see those and the Scout and the Death Trooper and the Shore Trooper and TIE Pilot as "maybe someday" offerings from them. They are not allergic to money. They will end up doing -- and re-doing (see: Vader) -- all the helmets they think will sell well. I've suggested to them doing an ROTJ Stormtrooper, as it's a different shape than the ANH/TESB, as well. I imagine we'll see at least some of those over the next decade.

But you can bet the ones that come out sooner will be the ones used in active live-action productions. Even the Scout they'd have to pull out of the Archives and scan, as the one used in The Mandalorian was the eFX (so that horrid lump is now canon...).
 
Well I want them all (or a lot), and what they don't make I will buy an extra and paint it myself.

Green Leader X wing.

Clonetrooper Ep 3 to rough up.

Clonetrooper Ep 3 to convert to 501st.

Commander Cody or Clonetrooper Ep 3 with some awesome RPFer maybe offering Cody kit.

Clone 2

Clone 2 Captain

Clone 2 Pilot

Clone 3 with pull down Macros

Every possible repaint and variation made. The more the better.

If you don't want it, don't buy it.

I loved how many versions Master Replicas made.

More Stormies, Bobas and anything else they can think of.
 
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With luck Hasbro will be able to re-work their existing Phase I into a Black Series (any CG asset they got from Lucasfilm would need to be altered to accommodate a nose)
I find the existing Phase 1 to be too inaccurate to be Black Series quality. Better to do it again from scratch.
... And hopefully in a less impossible plastic than polypropylene.

Hasbro probably chose to do the Phase 2 helmet because Lucasfilm had made new physical helmets for BOBF and Kenobi (and Andor?), and so Hasbro may have got to borrow new 3D files and a physical example to compare and discuss.
 
I find the existing Phase 1 to be too inaccurate to be Black Series quality. Better to do it again from scratch.
... And hopefully in a less impossible plastic than polypropylene.
The top fin needs minor reshaping at the back (and red LEDs installed behind a smoked panel at the tip). The dome needs to be redone as a single piece, but is largely fine in shape and size. The rear half is largely fine, if the gaps to allow air circulation are closed and the "knob" is made more accurate. The vent panel below that needs to be redesigned, but that's the biggest fix the back half needs. I'd extend the undercut around the back edge, too. The front half needs minor reshaping of the side tubes toward the front, repositioning of the annunciator inset (and a more accurate annunciator), airflow gaps closed, side slits repositioned, and the lower edge of the visor opening brought up by an inch all the way across. The earcaps are fine and can still hide most of the front/back join. Rework the greeblies to be recessed.

All the stuff that needs to be done is relatively minor, as I found in my own cleanup of the piece. Given they start with a 3D model and engineer the parts breakdown in-computer before committing to a physical die, they likely still have the original files the produced that helmet from. All the tweaks I referred to could be done in an afternoon. Then it's doing the interior, play features, and the fun and lengthy approval process. It's apparent from the original piece they did that they worked from Lucasfilm-sourced assets in the first place. Everything matches too well, except where it was obviously altered to make it wearable by a human. The change in shape to not break one's nose is minor and would need to be done with a BS offering anyway, so why reinvent the wheel when they've already done that work?
 
The top fin needs minor reshaping at the back (and red LEDs installed behind a smoked panel at the tip). The dome needs to be redone as a single piece, but is largely fine in shape and size. The rear half is largely fine, if the gaps to allow air circulation are closed and the "knob" is made more accurate. The vent panel below that needs to be redesigned, but that's the biggest fix the back half needs. I'd extend the undercut around the back edge, too. The front half needs minor reshaping of the side tubes toward the front, repositioning of the annunciator inset (and a more accurate annunciator), airflow gaps closed, side slits repositioned, and the lower edge of the visor opening brought up by an inch all the way across. The earcaps are fine and can still hide most of the front/back join. Rework the greeblies to be recessed.

All the stuff that needs to be done is relatively minor, as I found in my own cleanup of the piece. Given they start with a 3D model and engineer the parts breakdown in-computer before committing to a physical die, they likely still have the original files the produced that helmet from. All the tweaks I referred to could be done in an afternoon. Then it's doing the interior, play features, and the fun and lengthy approval process. It's apparent from the original piece they did that they worked from Lucasfilm-sourced assets in the first place. Everything matches too well, except where it was obviously altered to make it wearable by a human. The change in shape to not break one's nose is minor and would need to be done with a BS offering anyway, so why reinvent the wheel when they've already done that work?
I did all those mods in my conversion of the helmet, and then some. Those were not a small amount of mods. Those were a whole lot.

Then the structure of the helmet, with the division between parts and all the fasteners needs to be redesigned to get rid of the unsightly seams between parts.
But even with all those changes done, there are still lots of inaccurate details. The face is still not wide enough compared to the ears. The ear caps are not accurate. The front of the fin is not accurate either. The curve of the grey inset is too far forward. Then there are some minor faces here and there that are angled wrong.
One huge difference is that it is not wide enough at the bottom. A toy helmet can't have a screen-accurate neck-ring, so they just simplified that part, but too much. What should the new helmet have?
The "side-tubes" would need to be widened to look even remotely accurate. Also, the side-vents need to be remade, further back and narrower.

So, yes, I think it would still be easier to ask Lucasfilm for the original 3D model and restart from there.
 
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Today I saw a couple each of the Vader and Rearmoered Fett at Target. Either they just put them out, or there isn't the same rush to get them as the R1 Stormtrooper, when that was released.
 
I did all those mods in my conversion of the helmet, and then some. Those were not a small amount of mods. Those were a whole lot. Then the structure of the helmet, with the division between parts and all the fasteners needs to be redesigned to get rid of the unsightly seams between parts.
Those are all things Hasbro can address in the computer model as part of a Black Series rework, is what I mean.

But even with all those changes done, there are still lots of inaccurate details. The face is still not wide enough compared to the ears. The front of the fin is not accurate either. One huge difference is that it is not wide enough at the bottom. The "side-tubes" would need to be widened to look even remotely accurate.
Really? I'd have to see what you mean with those.

The ear caps are not accurate.
In what way. I know the circular detail needs to be done as a simple recessed piece, but the earcaps entire looked good to me. But I also apparently missed what you're referring to above, so, again, show me what you mean?

The curve of the grey inset is too far forward.
And again. Any comparison pics? I already know about the "ramp" at the front to prevent the dome-front piece from binding in the die, but the flat part seems the right size, shape, and placement, and I just filled the "ramp" to make the delineation crisper.
Then there are some minor faces here and there that are angled wrong. Also, the side-vents need to be remade, further back and narrower.
I know about the side-slits. What faces need to be tweaked?

A toy helmet can't have a screen-accurate neck-ring, so they just simplified that part, but too much. What should the new helmet have?
I'd say just go with the Clone Wars re-work I mentioned earlier:

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You're missing the point. The point is that together the inaccurate details in the AOTC Hasbro clone helmet are too many. I think you are greatly underestimating the amount of work it would take to go in and tweak the 3D model to fix the faults and undo who it is constructed, just to get to a starting point for a new more accurate Black Series helmet. It would be a difficult, grinding task, taking much more than an afternoon.
I would have to spend an afternoon just to draw you a 2D picture with all the things that are wrong with the voice changer helmet.
 
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You're missing the point. The point is that together the inaccurate details in the AOTC Hasbro clone helmet are too many. I think you are greatly underestimating the amount of work it would take to go in and tweak the 3D model to fix the faults and undo who it is constructed, just to get to a starting point for a new more accurate Black Series helmet. It would be a difficult, grinding task, taking much more than an afternoon.
I would have to spend an afternoon just to draw you a 2D picture with all the things that are wrong with the voice changer helmet.
Not to mention that Hasbro released a Boba Fett helmet at the same time as their AOTC clone helmet back in 2009. Yet the Black Series Boba is 100% new. There is absolutely no chance that they would simply rework their old clone helmet. People have modded them to be more accurate, but it's still not on par with the Black Series helmets. Those old helmets are specifically kids toys, not role-play collectibles.
 
Saw this on reddit.

When it's on a full costume, the new Black Series Vader actually looks really nice.

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I can just hear him saying, "I find your lack of faith in the Black Series disturbing." And I broke down and bought one. I figured I didn't need both the old version and this one, so I took the old one to a used toy shop and sold it for less than one third what I originally paid for it. Woohoo!
 
Photos of the Clone Trooper helmet are up on the Hasbropulse Instagram page.

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