I thought everyone was saying that doing it that way doesn't work well on anything smaller than the studio scale models?
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I thought everyone was saying that doing it that way doesn't work well on anything smaller than the studio scale models?
Toadmeister
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Who's everyone?
Works well in 1/48 and above for me.
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astroboy
Master Member
Wubby, over at Starship Modeller, did an unboxing video of the mini Falcon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HlYIp_PpxU
Here is his video of the double X-wing release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erhwAIKbiYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HlYIp_PpxU
Here is his video of the double X-wing release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erhwAIKbiYQ
Hunk a Junk
Sr Member
Does anyone have trouble using Tamiya acrylics when black basing? Specifically, going for a white topcoat over the black? Even when I use a grey primer, my white topcoat tends to have a bluish hue that just won't seem to go away unless I really slather on the paint. Then when I do that, the fine details get filled in. Maybe it's time for me to switch to a different brand of paint.
astroboy
Master Member
I always use tamiya acrylics and yes, there is a real bluish tinge after you basecoat. However, once you weather it, it's a whole other bird. In fact, I think it helps keep things from looking too brown.
basecoat
final product
Hunk a Junk
Sr Member
Holy crap! Those are amazing. So that final photo of the Falcon is the same topcoat from the "before" picture? Did you use a wash on any of these? I seriously had to look 2 or 3 times at the Falcon because I thought you'd put a picture of the ILM one up by accident. That's just sick! Is that a Shapeways radar dish?
If you haven't, you should post some tutorials, because... dude.
If you haven't, you should post some tutorials, because... dude.
astroboy
Master Member
Thanks a lot. I'm pretty proud of that one. One of the reasons I'm proud is that I think I scaled it back enough so that it actually does look like the 5 footer. I went a shade lighter for all of the panels and streaking. I think that actually helps create an illusion of size. If I went for the exact same tones as the big one I think it would have ended up really heavy handed.
The other thing I have to stress is this: Don't even think about darkening your panel lines.
The aftermarket parts were the shapeways cockpit and radar dish, as well as the greenstrawberry engine vents.
I have a build thread somewhere but you can also look through the photobucket album
http://s1083.photobucket.com/user/ianalbright/library/bandai small falcon?sort=3&page=1
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TazMan2000
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I'm totally amazed at your Falcon. I see so many that are overdone for weathering, but you nailed it. Truly inspirational.
I've recently watched a few videos of weathering using both techniques of black-basing and pre-shading and learned quite a bit. The trick is to put it into practice. Both techniques achieve different results, so it is a matter of choice as to which look you want. Painting and weathering have always been a bit of a challenge for me, and I dare admit it, that it is probably the least pleasing part of the hobby, because of my level of expertise in painting. I'm hoping to change that.
TazMan2000
I've recently watched a few videos of weathering using both techniques of black-basing and pre-shading and learned quite a bit. The trick is to put it into practice. Both techniques achieve different results, so it is a matter of choice as to which look you want. Painting and weathering have always been a bit of a challenge for me, and I dare admit it, that it is probably the least pleasing part of the hobby, because of my level of expertise in painting. I'm hoping to change that.
TazMan2000
Poakwoods
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Wonderful painting & wheathering of the Falcon...
I had Hunk a Junk's same problem after black base and white Tamiya: slightly cold tonality (almost blueish), this thing drove me crazy! But Astroboy is right, after the application of oil filters (discoloration technique) the blue shade has gone.
I had Hunk a Junk's same problem after black base and white Tamiya: slightly cold tonality (almost blueish), this thing drove me crazy! But Astroboy is right, after the application of oil filters (discoloration technique) the blue shade has gone.
astroboy
Master Member
Thanks for your kind words. I'm really jonesing to do a big one.But I don't have the scratch building chops to do a hasbro falcon and I'm not interested in doing the deagostini (once you prefer the 5 footer, it's hard to go 32").
So basically, I'm just waiting for a bandai 1/72.
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Mine really looked light blue. I had total regret. But the right oils and spatter can change anything.
In fact, if I were to do large one, I would forgo the AS-20 and just use flat white as my base. I think I could everything I want with the weathering.
Is there any news on a 1/72 scale Bandai Falcon? I soo much want one as well...
thanks
Uwe
astroboy
Master Member
nooooooooope
Hunk a Junk
Sr Member
Astro, did you use washes? If so, what colors? When I've weathered down the bluish topcoat, it usually just turns greyer for me. On my FM Falcon, I'm happy with my weathering, but the overall shade is a bit more blue-grey than I'd like (especially since I prefer the whiter look of the 5-footer). I've got the Bandai 144 Falcon standing by on the bench, but I haven't wanted to start her until I can figure out how to start with a much whiter base coat.
Astroboy totally has it right.
Colour and contrast scales as the model size decreases. And on-screen the models look much lower contrast as well.
So many Falcons out there look like they've been dipped in manure and then rolled around an auto shop. If that's the look you really like, then great, I guess. But it sure looks hamfisted to me...
Colour and contrast scales as the model size decreases. And on-screen the models look much lower contrast as well.
So many Falcons out there look like they've been dipped in manure and then rolled around an auto shop. If that's the look you really like, then great, I guess. But it sure looks hamfisted to me...
astroboy
Master Member
Okay, here are the steps I took.
Here's my process:
1. Battle damage with fine tipped dremil, teeth and with blade
2. Flat black rattlecan
(assemble model)
3. As-20 base coat (however I vented it from the rattle can so that I could use it in my airbrush. That way it was irregular. )
4. Taping and airbrushing panels. Obviously there were a few parts I couldn't put on before doing this) As far as panel colours go, I made them up by looking at studio ref.s. Don't paint them too solidly. Also, practice your maskol technique for the paint chipping. Look at the studio model pics to decide what is peeled paint and what is battle damage. You can tell the difference.
5. Flat clear topcoat.
6. oils. (blues, greys, starship filth, whites) Fairly light coat. Not so much a wash is little dabs that get washed in. (Watch fitchenfoo vids for his technique) The lighter you keep all of this, the better it will look in the end.
7. Flat clear topcoat
8. oils. (rust)
9.Flat clear topcoat
10. Streaking using pigments and VERY fine q-tip. (make sure that you use tape to keep them straight and in the right direction I also only did about half of the ones from the real model. I didn't want it too busy)
11. Flat clear topcoat
12. Spatter. (three colours. Light grey, grey, and yellow/beige) Using airbrush. VERY thin and from 3 feet away. You want it to appear like small rain drops)
13. Flat clear topcoat
14. Engine exhaust using pigments and q-tip. (note that exhaust on 5 footer goes straight back
15. Final top coat.
Note that when I do those topcoats, It's just a misting. Since I did this falcon I have read that you should do a gloss coat in between layers and then stick with a flat coat at the end. It helps keep the layers separate. But I've also heard that it can make things cloudy
The oils I used were:
Abteilung starship filth
Abteilung faded navy blue
abtalung faded U.N. white (this is pretty much insignia whit, so it helps to bring dark areas "back")
abteilung dark rust
abteilung german grey highlight
abteilung dark rust.
yellow ochre
indian red.
I think that in a way, the UN white is crucial. It brings it back from being too dark. I even used it in the final spatter as a contrast to the greys and browns.
As for the tamiya colours, I couldn't tell you. I have a bunch of deck tan, german grey, sky grey, light grey, flat white, insignia white brown, yellow, and red. I mix to whatever works. The one thing I made sure I did here was to only look at pictures of the studio model. Don't refer to someone else's model. Don't look at the TFA digital version (unless that's the one you're doing) and don't look at that awful TFA model that they did for disneyworld.
Trust your eyes from the source.
I am by no means an expert on this stuff. (There are SO many great painters out there. Frankly, I don't think I could ever paint realistic miniatures. Those guys are insane. And I'm so afraid of scratchbuilding) and I've really only done a couple of models. But my back ground is in theatre scenic art. So I've spent a lot of time doing washes and spatter on big drops and floors. And I think that's where I learned about the scale of things. It's really helped.
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