Avengers: Doomsday

Thing with the masked doom is I can’t see Disney backing up the money truck just so RDJ can hide behind a mask. Like Pedro Pascal mando…. Why even have him on set if it’s just his voice

I’m def open… Dan Murell pointed out that a Tom Holland Spiderman dealing with an evil variant Stark would be good conflict… but… If it’s stark and not Victor? Tho I’m apps hearing it’s Not a variant?

I dunno, but let’s go! A good movie is a good movie. I didn’t like either Deadpool much and just had a blast at Deadpool and Wolverine

So who knows.
 
I'm sure it'll be different this time and RDJ won't act the same way he does in 90% of his films. Dr. Doom is one of the few interesting Marvel characters.
 
I think RDJ would do a great job. That said, I would've rather seen him come back as Iron Man and lead the Avengers against Doom.

My question is will he be playing Victor or a Stark version of Doom? If it's the former, it would feel odd (like Hugh Jackman playing Magneto). If it's the latter, it would feel odd (like Tony Stark playing Doom). Yeah sure, multiverse variants and all that. Again, it could work but I don't think it would work as well as having someone new.

I could see Liam Neeson playing him. Also Hugo Weaving had he not already played Red Skull.

Red Skull...now there's a character that got short-changed in the MCU but I've heard that was due to Weaving and Marvel/Disney having some contract beef.
 
While I was looking forward to a new actor playing Doom, I can't say I totally disapprove of Downey being cast. It could be interesting.

As far as the debate on re-casting a popular actor from a popular franchise, I think Marvel/Disney is just realizing that the success of the MCU has been a combination of specific actors combined with popular characters. Iron Man succeeded directly because of Downey, and it was a character that a lot of people were excited to finally see onscreen. Captain America is still Chris Evans for a lot of people, so it remains to be seen whether Anthony Mackie can carry the franchise himself (one could argue that The Falcon & Winter Soldier wasn't that successful, and Sebatian Stan was shouldering half the load, plus it was a streaming series vs a big budget theatrical release). I'm guessing the new Captain America film will still do well, but fall short of other Marvel films, including Deadpool & Wolverine (which had a huge opening already, but we'll see if it holds - maybe all the fans came out early to avoid spoilers like I did).

Looking at other franchises that keep trying to recapture the audiences they had, you can see how impotant the original actors are to the franchise success. The Aliens movies (with another installment coming soon) suffer (in my opinion) when not having the character of Ripley in them, and Sigorney Weaver is Ripley. But even changing the character & story, like they did in Alien³, where she played a clone of Ripley, messed with the established character too much and didn't resonate with the audience.

The Terminator franchise similarly struggles without both Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton. I enjoyed Terminator: Dark Fate, which reunited the two, but they still altered the characters in a way that wasn't totally satisfying for many fans. The first three films followed largely the same formula, but the third didn't have Hamilton come back as Sarah Connor. It also recast John Connor, and though I doubt keeping Edward Furlong would've been a big draw, it still recast a main character from the prior film. Terminator Salvation and Genisys also failed to recapture the audience, again without the leads - Salvation just having a digital Schwarzenegger cameo, and Genisys recasting Sarah and John Connor, and completely messing with the story and timeline (as I said with Weaver as Ripley, Hamilton is Sarah Connor). In fact, Genisys also spolied the reveal of John Connor in their trailers, which seemed like a mistake to me.

The Star Wars films arguably suffer from similar problems, especially the sequel trilogy and various other films and streaming series. Trying to recapture the "magic" of the original cast, characters and story of a franchise isn't easy.

So it remains to be seen if Downey is a big enough draw without also playing Tony Stark. History suggests it may not work as expected, but Disney is at least realizing that the actors are a big reason for the success of the MCU.

I agree on the importance of retaining a popular actor. I think the only way you get away with recasting is by rebooting. Still though in some cases it would be tough even with a reboot. I can't picture another actor playing Iron Man or Wolverine.
 
When you look back at the parallels between Stark and Von Doom it makes sense why RDJ would take on the role.
Doom has an advanced armour and an army of Doom Bots, just like Tony and his Iron Legion.

The more you think about it, the more it works. Doom is the mirror of Stark.
 
Maybe it's the actual Doomsday and this is a DC/Marvel crossover :lol:

Speaking of which, off-topic but if anybody missed out on that reissue of the George Perez DC/Marvel tribute edition, there's an omnibus coming...

 
They did say "Victor von Doom" when they brought RDJ out. I hope that's exactly it, IMO there is no need for a Stark variant and in fact that would be much the worse choice. Von Doom has a rich backstory and characterization that would be foolish to discard.
 
Probably just done for the hype and just a load of BS.
RDJ had an issue being in the suit with Ironman.
When Doom mutates, he never comes out of the suit or rarely, right ?
Not sure how that will go over well with him.
 
RDJ in any film represents a huge investment - a large portion of a film's budget. His appearance in Captain America: Civil War supposedly resulted in a major power struggle between Feige (who wanted RDJ) and Perlmutter (who thought RDJ was unreasonably costly) simply due to the expense.

In the case of Civil War, I could see both sides of that dispute, but RDJ cast as Doom seems an unnecessary expense - which only reeks of desperation. If that is the case, I hope they're not banking on carrying the film through hype and casting RDJ alone. Ever since Endgame Marvel's only problem has been the quality of writing and the lack of cohesive vision. A well-written and intelligently directed film will likely succeed with or without RDJ.
 
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They did say "Victor von Doom" when they brought RDJ out. I hope that's exactly it, IMO there is no need for a Stark variant and in fact that would be much the worse choice. Von Doom has a rich backstory and characterization that would be foolish to discard.
Apparently, there was a What If...? comic that featured a Tony Stark variant of Dr. Doom. In the story, Victor swapped bodies with Tony in college. Would not be surprised if this is what they're basing Dr. Doom on.

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This is how they can get around the whole accuracy in trailers issue.

"Oh no, that wasn't in a film preview. That was just a stage skit."
 
Thing with the masked doom is I can’t see Disney backing up the money truck just so RDJ can hide behind a mask. Like Pedro Pascal mando…. Why even have him on set if it’s just his voice

I’m def open… Dan Murell pointed out that a Tom Holland Spiderman dealing with an evil variant Stark would be good conflict… but… If it’s stark and not Victor? Tho I’m apps hearing it’s Not a variant?

I dunno, but let’s go! A good movie is a good movie. I didn’t like either Deadpool much and just had a blast at Deadpool and Wolverine

So who knows.
I was thinking the same with the pedro mando situation. RDJ can do his best voice work and do some emotional scenes if a mask off is necessary, but all the other times it's some very talented movement actors suffering in the suit. I think the voice work could help cut down on the cost possibly.
 
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