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For all the spectacle, scope, SPFX†, SFX, and stereoscopic wizardry, it's missing one vital element: a story... in particular, interesting characters.

For a three-dimensional movie, the characters are awfully two-dimensional.

I just wish more blue pixies had died.

†Can we still call them that?

Yeah, many many characters are pretty damn shallow stereotypes. Neytiri's mum and dad, Jake, Carter Burke, pilot girl and the incredibly cliched rival dude Tsu'tey in particular.

On the other hand I quite liked Sigourney's character Grace (I dislike her usually, but she was really warm here despite the part being a bit under-written).

Oh, I forgot to mention - having them all sing 'Yub Nub' at the end was a nice little homage...
 
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Underdeveloped characters moping through a weak, and highly derivative, story with poorly designed -- albeit, superbly rendered -- creatures who are nothing but thinly-veiled racial stereotypes, which practice hysterically funny mumbojumbo, while being chased by "Paleface" (who has tongue planted firmly in cheek, fortunately), on an over-designed planet that nobody could give a **** about... all in stereo.

THAT was the future of cinema!?

Ha!
 
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I can see I'm going to be in the "pro-Star Trek 2009" camp on this one. :D

That makes three big 'event movies' this year which I've enjoyed, despite my eyes being wide open to their flaws.

God. Is it possible that I might enjoy Transmorphers 2 as well, if I bothered to see it...? :(
 
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Lancer, Weaver's part is actually a lot bigger than I was expecting! Ribisi is basically playing Carter J. Burke, but it's a proportionately smaller role versus that part in Aliens. After pulling the trigger, he almost vanishes and it's all up to Lang to shoulder the evil. Which he does do brilliantly.

Agree fully regarding the score. Some generic world music and a few toots and whistles. It's pretty enough but bland!

Solo - if you think you can enjoy a remake of DwW then perhaps this'll work for you. It's not lacking in dumb and cheesy moments, though, especially the War on Terror critique element.


I'm saying I can enjoy a remake if it's a well done remake. Dances with Wolves did the "noble savage" thing, but did it well because it really humanized the "noble savages" and made you like them because of who their characters were, not solely because of how they lived. What sold them was the fact that, in addition to this more harmonized way of life (which is where the "Yeah yeah, heard it in the freshman dorms" bit comes in), they were people that you cared about. The same goes for Little Big Man, although perhaps not quite as naturally. You care about the characters there and who they are as people in addition to the whole "Ohhh, look at these quaint natives and their quaint existence. Would that we could shed the bonds of our so-called civilization and romp amid nature the way they do," thing.

All I'm really saying is that, conceptually, I can see how taking an older film (like Stagecoach or Seven Samurai/The Magnificent Seven or Yojimbo/Fistfull of Dollars/Last Man Standing) and sticking it in a sci-fi setting CAN work. That still requires that the idea be well executed, however.
 
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I think you're really gonna hate Neytiri's mother, you know. I did.
 
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Underdeveloped characters moping through a weak, and highly derivative, story with poorly designed -- albeit, superbly rendered -- creatures who are nothing but thinly-veiled racial stereotypes, which practice hysterically funny mumbojumbo, while being chased by "Paleface" (who has tongue planted firmly in cheek, fortunately), on an over-designed planet that nobody could give a **** about... all in stereo.

THAT was the future of cinema!?

Ha!

So, am I right that it is a prettied up version of Ferngully?
 
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I don't need LITERALLY every character to be perfect. As long as the emphasis is placed more on well portrayed characters, I'll be ok. I just don't expect to be blown away by the story.
 
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Qui, yes, that too.

Solo, I don't either, I can 'forgive' quite a lot in fact. I don't think you're as forgiving as me, I can't really see you taking the movie as other than fodder for more 'state of the movie industry' griping. And you know, I doubt there'll be a single criticism printed that I don't agree with, yet I still had a decently good time.

Er, except maybe Armond White's 'colonialism' and 'white guilt' crap.
 
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Qui, yes, that too.

Solo, I don't either, I can 'forgive' quite a lot in fact. I don't think you're as forgiving as me, I can't really see you taking the movie as other than fodder for more 'state of the movie industry' griping. And you know, I doubt there'll be a single criticism printed that I don't agree with, yet I still had a decently good time.

Er, except maybe Armond White's 'colonialism' and 'white guilt' crap.

Well, we'll see. I'll watch it in the theater in 3D to get the full effect, but I doubt I'll be hailing it as the pinnacle of moviemaking.
 
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realised I sounded negative. as much as I'm pointing out the flaws, I still think Cameron delivers an all encompassing cinematic experience.

the sound design, the visuals, the performances, all blended together to deliver me 2.5 hours of viewing pleasure. At no point did I feel bored, I didn't look at my watch so it worked.

I'll definitely be getting it on Blu-ray, I really want a loaded packed set of discs about the whole process. I'm wanting LOTR type extras about the making of, deleted scenes, etc,

Oh, PS. The art of Avatar book? crap. thin, not a lot of in it. what is there is pretty, but its garbage, its a mere appetizer.
 
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I do believe that many people here, and on the Internet in general, tend to be critical of new films without seeing them first. Now, a lot of times I can understand why. It's pretty clear that I don't need to see Transformers 2. And we've all been let down by the hype before. But this one gets good enough reviews that I think I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.
 
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I saw it last night midnight in IMAX 3d. It blew my mind. Absolutely worth going to see.
 
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I "experienced" AVATAR yesterday and it blew me away, I absolutely loved it. Yes, there are no surprises in terms of who the good and the bad guys are (that already was clear after the Trailer) and a lot of motives in the story are well known, but the dish that Cameron cooked up with some classic ingredients tasted extremely delicious.

Although being a Cameron fan, I was afraid he might have lost his mojo after such a long break and the first teaser made me even more skeptical. Being more confident again after the 17 minute preview, the trailer finally really made me want to see this movie.

I wasn't a fan of the Na'vi design at first, but it works and the fact that they don't look too different from humans simply helps to feel connected. Cameron takes the viewer so deep into their culture and the wonders of their world, that one can almost forget about the inevitable confrontation that will come. Like I said, the good and evil scheme is pretty much painted in black and white and the Na'vi are flawless, but that didn't make them less interesting for me. They are one with the planet they live on and that goes further than just being a spiritual bond.

On the other side we have the company with the military (/hired mercenaries?) on their side that aims to simply take whatever they desire to make profit and satisfy the shareholders. So this time for a change humans are refered to as the alien invaders.

Obviously you don't have to digg that much to find the message(s) spread throughout the story, but personally I don't have anything against it as long as it gets served well. And to the people that hate "politically correct" messages: Don't worry, you will also get your typical "diplomacy doesn't work so we are justified to fight" message that usually guarantees a grand finale.

And by the way: I didn't get the part in the Variety review about the evil humans being specifically american. OK, they "are not in Kansas anymore", but I don't remember more references than that and if the company or military was american, wouldn't there (realistically?) have been stars and stripes all over the place (uniforms, vehicles, buildings etc.)?

Cameron delivers with Pandora a wonderfully fleshed out world that is a pure joy to discover. Not for a second did I think about CGI while watching the movie and the blend in between live action and CGI was so flawless that there was nothing that could have distracted me from simply enjoying the movie. I stopped reading about AVATAR a couple of months ago since I didn't want to totally spoil the movie for me and besides that was sick of all this "gamechanger" and "unlike anything you've ever seen" talk since I think that is something that I, the viewer, has to judge. But although the PR talk was very annoying, I have to admit that AVATAR was indeed unlike anything I've ever seen.

Seeing the movie in 3D was a nice addition, especially since Cameron didn't use the cheap and annoying 3D effect of stuff constantly pointing or flying at the camera. But to be honest, I doubt I would have enjoyed the movie any less if I saw it in 2D.

I viewed the movie with a friend of mine who also is a great Cameron fan and my father. Although I've been watching movies with my dad for the last 25-30 years and there were movies he loved, he never felt the desire to watch it again in the cinema. Right when the end credits started he said to me: "When are we going to watch this movie again?" :lol
 
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I'm a very optimistic person. I give everything a chance to impress me. I wanted to dig what this movie was about. I stayed up late into the night trying to find the holistic key that would allow me to unlock some sort of thematic understanding for what this movie was about.

I'm pretty thorough when it comes to analyzing structure and pinpointing theme. I've been accused of assigning them when they aren't there. For Avatar, either I couldn't find it, or it wasn't there.

The character progression was aimless. Muddled rather than coalescing into a succinct whole. There was certainly defined conflict, but to what end? It's not nearly as environmental as many of the naysayers would have you believe, but it also is not much of anything else thematically, as far as I can gather on one viewing. Might need another one.
 
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