Are there any actual FANS of Star Wars still?
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Ummm, nobody's trying to convince you of anything. If you don't like our posts, skip over them.
The Wook
I agree. I get the faults people find with the Prequels, I have some too, but that's the story according to Lucas. I think a lot of people got bent out of shape because they had imagined what came before for 20+ years and then it ended up being nothing like they imagined. I don't think there's any way Lucas could have made the Prequels where everyone would have been happy. I grew up with the OT too, but I just watched them as entertainment, not expecting an Oscar performance.
Give the EU a chance too. There's a lot of bad stuff, but also books and games that you might think are better than the Prequels. Zahn Trilogy, all the X-Wing series (Rogue and Wraith), Republic Commando, Knights of the Old Republic game, etc.
TK9120
Sr Member
Part of that is correct. People did have a vision of what came before. But Lucas adding other details just to add them or have them be wrong is part of what bothered me.
Having Anakin make C3-PO. Having Anakin at 9 meet Obi-Wan when in the OT Ben says 'When I met him he was already a great pilot'. Having Jango be Boba's father. Lucas knows how big Boba was with the fans so he tried to get him in by using Jango. Or having the Troopers be clones.
I'd be willing to bet that in George's original outline way back in the 70's none of that was in it.
Having Anakin make C3-PO. Having Anakin at 9 meet Obi-Wan when in the OT Ben says 'When I met him he was already a great pilot'. Having Jango be Boba's father. Lucas knows how big Boba was with the fans so he tried to get him in by using Jango. Or having the Troopers be clones.
I'd be willing to bet that in George's original outline way back in the 70's none of that was in it.
cboath
Master Member
I disagree. Box office servers can't handle order numbers of that magnitude coming all at once.
My group camped outside the theatre for five days, being second in line. We got free muffins, sandwiches and pop-corn from the theatre and a coffee-shop nearby, and we handed out what was left to others in line. Several of us were interviewed by reporters, one was writing a book about fandom and devoted a chapter to us. Over here, seats are booked when ordering tickets and we got the best seats in the best theatre for the midnight showing. We celebrated with champagne and cup-cakes. When we left, there were still at least a hundred people in line.
On the night, a couple of hundred people showed up for the official pre-movie party. The theatre was booked to 100% capacity and practically everyone was a fan. There were quite a few people in costume. The projectionist showed trailers from all previous movies before the movie started, to cheers from the audience.
I hated ROTS. The opening shots were very nice (stolen from Genndy Tartakowski's The Clone Wars cartoon series...), but the magic was lost as soon as Ewan McGregor got a closeup and made a face like "Oh this movie is just sooo stupid". The transformation of Palpatine and the fall of Anakin were just ridiculous. The end duel was very disappointing, as was Padmé in the movie.
To me, ROTS is the worst of the prequels. What happened before I saw the movie was much better.
Here at least, they'll be selling tickets anywhere from a week to a month out.
I do remember when TPM came out. Tickets went on sale a week out and we tried to camp there but were kicked off the property and told to stay off the grounds til 7am 'or else'. We waited off property but they must have had us on video the whole time. Guy dropped his frisbee no more than 5' onto the parking lot and a rent a cop SUV came zipping right up and threatening all of us with banning from the mall for life if we set foot on the property again. We told him to lighten up, dude dropped a frisbee, retrieved it and got right back off.
It was pointless, too. I went back next day because it was on my way home and the boss wanted to buy everyone tickets. Walked right up and bought the tickets for 7pm, no problem, and all midnight shows weren't sold out yet. Yet we did have a line waiting all day that stretched more than the length of the mall.
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As for collecting, Hasbro and scalpers ruined it for me. Hasro lying (no we don't shortpack), then toss in loser's like scalpers and hasbro churning the same stuff over and over and it wasn't remotely fun anymore. If I want a figure, it shouldn't take 9 months and/or $50 or more to get it because Hasbro short packs it and scalpers take everyone one they ever see.
It didn't change my view on Star Wars in the slightest. Just made me drop the collecting aspect all together.
Cadeus
Sr Member
I totally agree with you. The story-line DOES have some moments when things just don't seem to mesh, and it seems like George Lucas added some stuff in because somebody said it'd be really cool... I have been wanting to read Lucas' original story for years!
My biggest problem with the films, though, is how far away from the originals they were. All that extra CGI just really screwed it up BAD. The tech is cool, but over-exagerated, Jar-Jar...:wacko The light-saber duels, awesome as they were, drug the momentum of the plot to a halt... Total disaster. But I still love the story, itself.(Anakin's turn to the Dark side was brilliant. You have to remember that it didn't happen in a single movie, it happened over all three movies, and every cartoon, anime and novel in-between; over a decade of Palpatine planting his garden in Anakin's mind... The fail was in the telling, not the story. TMCGI!!!)
NANOO-NANOO!!!
Zombie_61
Master Member
What, you don't speak Shyriiwook? And you call yourself a fan! :facepalm
BTW, it's "wookiee"--two "e"s.
If those were the only changes Lucas had made I probably wouldn't mind the not-so-Special-Editions so much. What really bothers me is the inclusion of scenes that weren't in the original theatrical releases--Han Solo meeting with Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars (Episode IV, A New Hope, whatever), for example. Not only are those inclusions entirely unnecessary, but they brings the movies to a dead crawl. The theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy movies each had pacing that were damn near perfect for the stories Lucas told in them; every moment moved the story along. But his inclusions in the not-so-Special-Editions interrupt that pacing every time.
seelsa73
Sr Member
One could argue that he was referring to the Pod Race Anakin had won just prior to meeting him...perhaps a flimsy argument, but valid one.
True...and all the same information was conveyed in the Greedo scene before. Although I'm not sure I'd say the scene makes the movie "crawl"
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Not only that, but the CGI Jabba was so cartoonish, he was nothing like the menacing slug we met in ROTJ. And with the casual, practically playful, dialogue between them, Han didn't seem afraid of Jabba one bit. Stepping on his tail, etc. Some crime lord. The menace was gone, the mystery was gone. Han no longer feared Jabba, so why should I?
The scene was gratuitous, and diminishes the real...and far cooler...introduction to Jabba the Hutt we were treated to in 1983.
Lucas knew CGI characters (and inanimate objects, landscapes, etc.) would revolutionize the movie biz (IMO, for the worse, mostly), and he desperately wanted to pioneer that revolution. Unfortunately, he took our beloved...yes I said it, "our"...original trilogy, and the prequels we were so desperately awaiting, and treated them like test labs for his CGI experimentations, and the political correctness (Han not shooting first) of his growing progressive ideology.
The Wook
jlee562
Sr Member
So really, what Obi Wan said was true....from a certain point of view.
Bam. Continuity.
steveo
Sr Member
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Originally Posted by seelsa73
Do you mean the Emperor's dialogue?
And Vader's... Ya. :thumbsdown
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Originally Posted by The Wook
And changing a major character's...well, "character", by having him allow a thug who's announced he's looking forward to killing him, has a blaster pointed right at him, fire his weapon before/at the same time he fires his (which is also pointed at the thug, under the table).
UN-FOR-GIVE-ABLE!
The Wook
Amen. :thumbsup
totally agree! I was super excited to see the actual Emperor put into TESB, but after seeing and hearing what we got, I was not happy at all.
As far as being a SW fan, yes, I am, but I always have to preface it with, "but only the original movies". I'm glad that some of you can like the PT for what it is, but to me, it is not SW. It does not have the same feel or style as the OT. To me, the characters are bland and forgetable and their motivatiions/actions just don't work for me. The story is just not compelling, either. I also don't care for any of the designs or the way the costumes/characters were made - they just look cheap. I wish that I could just like the PT, but there's too much really bad stuff for me to. Yes, I own the dvd's of those movies and saw them several times, but it was my way of trying to get into them and like them. They just don't work for me.
Originally Posted by seelsa73
Do you mean the Emperor's dialogue?
And Vader's... Ya. :thumbsdown
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Originally Posted by The Wook
And changing a major character's...well, "character", by having him allow a thug who's announced he's looking forward to killing him, has a blaster pointed right at him, fire his weapon before/at the same time he fires his (which is also pointed at the thug, under the table).
UN-FOR-GIVE-ABLE!
The Wook
Amen. :thumbsup
totally agree! I was super excited to see the actual Emperor put into TESB, but after seeing and hearing what we got, I was not happy at all.
As far as being a SW fan, yes, I am, but I always have to preface it with, "but only the original movies". I'm glad that some of you can like the PT for what it is, but to me, it is not SW. It does not have the same feel or style as the OT. To me, the characters are bland and forgetable and their motivatiions/actions just don't work for me. The story is just not compelling, either. I also don't care for any of the designs or the way the costumes/characters were made - they just look cheap. I wish that I could just like the PT, but there's too much really bad stuff for me to. Yes, I own the dvd's of those movies and saw them several times, but it was my way of trying to get into them and like them. They just don't work for me.
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seelsa73
Sr Member
I appreciate your respectfulness, but this is exactly the opposite of the intention of the original topic. To me if the only part of Star Wars that you like is the OT, you're not a Star Wars fan, you're an OT fan.* I have no problem with people not liking the PT, EU, etc. But I really don't care to hear it any more. That's why I created this thread, so those of us who aren't so blinded by the awesomeness of the OT (yes, i agree they are the best) that they can't enjoy anything else can have a place to come to share their love or at least like of it.
I hope that didn't sound too mean-spirited, I was trying to word it respectfully.
*yes i know ANH was originally called just "Star Wars" but a lot has happened since then, so it hardly counts any more.
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TK9120
Sr Member
I consider myself a Star Wars fan. But that only includes anything that came from Lucas himself. He knows who everyone is, their background and how it all fits together. I don't like the PT like I did the OT but they are Star Wars cannon for me. I don't follow any of the EU stuff since Lucas didn't write it.
It's going to be hard for me to like the new movies. I know that Lucas is going to consult and tell the writers all about the characters and where things should go. We'll see if I can get into it.
It's going to be hard for me to like the new movies. I know that Lucas is going to consult and tell the writers all about the characters and where things should go. We'll see if I can get into it.
seelsa73
Sr Member
He did write the outlines for them, if that makes u feel better. Which is basically the same as it was for ESB and ROTJ.
Edwardowan
Sr Member
I am. When I was a kid a couple friends of mine and I would create our own SW adventures so that's sort of EU
Although the only EU I've read was Splinters of the Mind's Eye (great by the way) a couple of the Han Solo books and the first Zahn book (Heir to the Empire was it called?) I still enjoy the Star Wars universe as a whole. I just don't really have time to read any EU since I have kids and they have after school stuff like softball teams etc... if I try to read in bed I fall asleep before I turn the first page so EU books won't work for me and audio books make me zone out too! I accept the PT and enjoy it for the most part although I criticize the dialog, script, acting, plot etc... I still pop in Revenge of the Sith from time to time!
Big fan of the Clone Wars animated series (R.I.P) :cry And did watch The Holiday Special when it came on TV back in the day, saw both Ewok movies on TV... all the makings of and whatever I can find on Youtube to kill time... have collected so much stuff and can't wait for the next films!
I spent way too much money building a 1:1 scale R2-D2 and have a few other props but if money wasn't an issue I'd still be buying up the toys... I occasionally treat myself to a SW shirt or poster and my wife gifts me little SW gag gifts from time to time and I treasure them!
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