It has been what 3 years or more? I tried to get the refund, no response of help back when everyone was trying. But perhaps it will work out if this new company does honor its word.
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3 years Yeah that’s a Grift my friend . And they keep it going with this new one it’s never ending
Who would even want to get involved with anything attached to this ? Yeah no keep what ever time they have left for that license . I wonder if these new people who took it over understand these people ran a multiyear Grift ?The only way I would ever buy from this new company is if and once my orders are fulfilled. There is no doubt that the original Anovos ended up being grifters.3 years Yeah that’s a Grift my friend . And they keep it going with this new one it’s never ending
PicasoX
Sr Member
They're not already?
You ever try reaching out to the Mods? Taking so many collectors and running off now? The thing that bothers me is they sent me SO many emails trying to convince me to buy this is knowing it was not going to ship? . If these guys were not Grifters they should come out and say "This is whats happening etc etc " You started it things went bad stand up and face it don't hide that shows you're Character IMO
yeah get your items before anything
Anyone involved with this whole mess is a Grifter in some way big or small. They are trying to make money off the original Grift its ridiculous.
Simonized
Well-Known Member
I emailed them asking and they didn't respond. I suppose they're not doing refunds either?
Simonized
Well-Known Member
If I'd known I wouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately I only heard about the bad reputation a while after I'd placed my order.
No, The Mods are well aware of what is happening and will come to a decision .
You are new here, I suggest you read ALL of the Anovos thread over in the Star Wars Costumes And Props Section, to come up to speed
Really wanted my Star Lord jacket that I paid for.
ID10T
Sr Member
For what it’s worth: I used to work for a large company in Westbury NY. Rubie’s was down the street, maybe a mile away.
They have two buildings, either side of the main road and have been operating there since 1999 anyway, when I started working in town there. It is not a 400sf office in a complex somewhere. (As I imagine Avonos was)
I can’t speak to this specific buisness arrangement, but the Rubie’s buisness is a solid one. That much I can speak to.
I do hope for everyone’s benefit, they make good on all Avanos promised (even if only “Star Wars” stuff) and can reliably offer some quality, accurate items in a reasonable time frame.
They have two buildings, either side of the main road and have been operating there since 1999 anyway, when I started working in town there. It is not a 400sf office in a complex somewhere. (As I imagine Avonos was)
I can’t speak to this specific buisness arrangement, but the Rubie’s buisness is a solid one. That much I can speak to.
I do hope for everyone’s benefit, they make good on all Avanos promised (even if only “Star Wars” stuff) and can reliably offer some quality, accurate items in a reasonable time frame.
I don't think it's an issue with whether the market exists but rather a issue with knowing how to operate a company and operations. I think most people would prefer the licensed prop over the Etsy one (and this is coming from a guy who makes ****). But if you start a company and do the following you basically suck as a company or your intentions are bad:
a) don't have a supply chain in place
b) completely fund it off a preorder model
c) obviously have no clue of foreign manufacturing
d) think customer service is optional
e) charge preorders as an interest thread (insanity)
Yeah the Interest items were still up two days ago before they pulled the plug (Insanity / Grifting )
PicasoX
Sr Member
Emailed Denuonovo.com?
It is a weekend, maybe they will reply during the week.
From what it sounded like to me they are going to try and fill outstanding Star Wars orders left over from Anovos.
Simonized
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True, they may reply during the week however others have already had e-mails regarding existing pre orders... and yes it seems like if they do fill outstanding orders it's only going to be for star wars which leaves every person who had a trek order or otherwise pretty much knackered.
They are working to get the Trek license ....True, they may reply during the week however others have already had e-mails regarding existing pre orders... and yes it seems like if they do fill outstanding orders it's only going to be for star wars which leaves every person who had a trek order or otherwise pretty much knackered.
A lot of the issue with this entire debacle isn't just a matter of distribution and scalability. Much of it has to do with the licensing aspect because so much of these things have to go through a rigorous approval process. That certainly doesn't excuse ANOVOS by ANY stretch, but ultimately they bit off more than they could chew with a sorely lacking infrastructure and when coupled with licensing it was a recipe for disaster.
The banning issue has been raised before and it's more complex than I can really get into here. I highly suggest you sit down and read through the ANOVOS thread to get context. It should clarify a lot of your questions.
I'm on the other side of this in terms of wanting a licensed item. The years I've spent making things vs. collecting the merchandise I've found that not only do I get more creative satisfaction from building things myself, I much prefer my own work or other talented fan works to something with a Lucasfilm or Star Wars logo on it. In my mind they are segregated to prop replicas and licensed collectibles. Anything with a logo to my thinking feels like a product, where a fan made prop is a work of art. There's certainly a place for both and some of the official stuff is really cool, but for my money I prefer the custom stuff which is why don't own much of the official merch. Again though that's just my personal preference and I understand that some much prefer to have the official items.
As for your list regarding the requirements for a business model taking over the license, I am 1000% on board with you. The pre-order model simply does not work. History has proven it doesn't work. If the people starting the business aren't willing to invest their own money into a project then why should the customers trust them? Crowd funding is great for charities but not for businesses. Which is why I think Hasbro pulse or whatever it's called now is a total scam. They've had the infrastructure to conduct their business for decades and suddenly they don't have the funds to develop a new product without the customer fronting the cash? I call foul.
It's one thing if an entrepeneur gets a bank loan in their name/ company name to get off the ground, or if they find a private investor who believes in the business, because then at least they are the only people at risk of losing money. When you ask potential customers to pay up front without having a product in hand then you're selling them, potentially, an empty promise. The difference is that the customer incurrs the risk, whereas traditionally the business owner does. In the past if things go belly up, then it was the consequence of the poor decisions of the owner, not the customer. To my mind when an owner asks to crowd fund it means that they are too cowardly to take the risk themselves.
I'm in the process of starting a business and I have a LOT to learn, but I would never ask a customer to pay for it if I wasn't willing to sink my own money into it. The benefit is that if I take the risk, then I get the reward. It's irresponsible to ask my clients to foot the bill so I don't have to get my hands dirty. That's just bad business and I think it's a shame that so many of these license holders don't feel the same.
It's really strange to me how readily this particular market is willing to accept this new business paradigm, whereas most businesses would laugh you out of the room at the notion.
The banning issue has been raised before and it's more complex than I can really get into here. I highly suggest you sit down and read through the ANOVOS thread to get context. It should clarify a lot of your questions.
I'm on the other side of this in terms of wanting a licensed item. The years I've spent making things vs. collecting the merchandise I've found that not only do I get more creative satisfaction from building things myself, I much prefer my own work or other talented fan works to something with a Lucasfilm or Star Wars logo on it. In my mind they are segregated to prop replicas and licensed collectibles. Anything with a logo to my thinking feels like a product, where a fan made prop is a work of art. There's certainly a place for both and some of the official stuff is really cool, but for my money I prefer the custom stuff which is why don't own much of the official merch. Again though that's just my personal preference and I understand that some much prefer to have the official items.
As for your list regarding the requirements for a business model taking over the license, I am 1000% on board with you. The pre-order model simply does not work. History has proven it doesn't work. If the people starting the business aren't willing to invest their own money into a project then why should the customers trust them? Crowd funding is great for charities but not for businesses. Which is why I think Hasbro pulse or whatever it's called now is a total scam. They've had the infrastructure to conduct their business for decades and suddenly they don't have the funds to develop a new product without the customer fronting the cash? I call foul.
It's one thing if an entrepeneur gets a bank loan in their name/ company name to get off the ground, or if they find a private investor who believes in the business, because then at least they are the only people at risk of losing money. When you ask potential customers to pay up front without having a product in hand then you're selling them, potentially, an empty promise. The difference is that the customer incurrs the risk, whereas traditionally the business owner does. In the past if things go belly up, then it was the consequence of the poor decisions of the owner, not the customer. To my mind when an owner asks to crowd fund it means that they are too cowardly to take the risk themselves.
I'm in the process of starting a business and I have a LOT to learn, but I would never ask a customer to pay for it if I wasn't willing to sink my own money into it. The benefit is that if I take the risk, then I get the reward. It's irresponsible to ask my clients to foot the bill so I don't have to get my hands dirty. That's just bad business and I think it's a shame that so many of these license holders don't feel the same.
It's really strange to me how readily this particular market is willing to accept this new business paradigm, whereas most businesses would laugh you out of the room at the notion.
Simonized
Well-Known Member
I feel it's only fair to amend this as they've just emailed me back.True, they may reply during the week however others have already had e-mails regarding existing pre orders... and yes it seems like if they do fill outstanding orders it's only going to be for star wars which leaves every person who had a trek order or otherwise pretty much knackered.
Hi Simon,
Thank you for emailing about your order. We understand that it's been a long time since you made your original purchase from ANOVOS. While we are taking over the Star Wars license and working on that back-order currently, I do not have any information yet to share about Star Trek. If you have not already done so, you can reach out to your credit card company about a refund on Star Trek. If we are able to move forward with that license we will email you to update you about your order.
Thanks,
Denuo Novo Customer Service
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