ANH Vader chest box..think i've found the 'source item'

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Guys, listen, there comes a time when you have to weed out the people who annoy you with the way they post. It's a free world, they will post the same stuff the same way every time. There is nothing you can do about that except for this: ignore that person. Ignore everything they say or do because you'll enjoy this forum so much more if you do. I sometimes forget that little fact and get dragged back into these silly ego strokin sessions with the same individuals and the threads end up turning into raw sewage every single time. When someone doesn't offer any valuable information to you, do like you do those pesky telemarket people.........just hang up in their face.
This is a sad fact: If you continue to argue and horse around with what they say or do, it just enables them to keep doing it over and over. It is exactly what they want........to play their stupid game! They don't care if they are right or wrong.......they only care about stirring up crap and keeping the game going and going and going.

So treat them like the annoying kid next door............just stop answering the door..........eventually they go away because noone wants to play.

Personally, getting back on topic, I am quite skeptical that there is one shred of evidence proving or disproving what was originally moulded to create this chestbox we all know and love. I'm leaning towards a simple clay sculpt, but who really knows what it was. Or cares??? It's not like we can do our own clay sculpt and have anything more accurate than the original....if you know what I mean??? As long as we create a chestbox that looks really good compared to screen stills, we have accomplished our goal. We shouldn't care what some self absorbed nay sayer thinks as long as our creation makes us happy, right???

Go make you a chestbox. It needs to be bigger than 6.5" square.........it is just under 7" square. If you have power tools, cut it out of wood, sand it to the right curvature on the top corners and sand a 2mm straight bevel around the base. Voila!!!! a chestbox. Then take a dremel and route out your coin slot wells, sand prime and paint the little bugger gloss black. OR if you want to be anal, sand prime and sand again..........and make a silicon mould of it............then lay it up in fiberglass just like the original. Pull it from the mould, trim sand and prime/paint and attach your assorted screen accurate party favors and add 1" leather straps to it. Am I making myself ridiculously clear yet???

If you don't possess the skills to do the wood working part, I know a guy who does it all the time. His name is vaderdarth. He can make you a fine wooden plaque in short order. Then you can take all your screen stills and give it your best screen accurate overhaul to your own liking and create something you are actually quite proud of. It is a major accomplishment and you can make one for your friends too........LOL.

Seriously, don't be afraid to get your hands dirty.............that is what this forum is really about. Make something and show it off. We've been doing it since the original props forum was created. There is always gonna be one or two party poopers who tell you how freaking innacurate your creation is...........lol. Ignore them, it's just PMS.

Dave :)
 
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I myself would like to know where they got the idea of the Chestbox in the first place. I know Ralph Mcquarrie's drawings gave concept to the thought, but how could one person or several come up with getting the pieces, right color of the buttons, coinslots and rods in the first place? the whole idea is just an amazing thought. C
 
Just slapped some space age looking junk on it i should imagine,not quite sure what you mean by the right colour buttons surely whatever colour they chose would be the right colour it was their invention
 
Again being neutral I think we should stay on topic before this gets locked. Gino may or may of not learnt how others feel from this debate but he did issue an apology. Even if there is some defiance it's getting to the point where I consider the odds are unfair against one person even if he either asked for it or can stick up for himself.



Quoted for truth.

This is thread is NOT about Gino so lets keep it on topic.
 
It is quite fascinating how it all came about. It was likely quite a collective effort of lots of effects staff. Sculptors, junk sifters etc... LOL. I'm sure some guy had the job of digging thru boxes and boxes of electronics junk to locate all the bits used in the film. After they gathered all this "stuff" they likely put it into a room until it was needed.......then started building their "list" of props needed. Not just a chestbox, but an interrogation droid, a belt, a mouse droid prop, deathstar wall control panels, falcon cockpit controls and the list goes on forever and ever. I'd be willing to bet that parts got switched right up until production as some things looked better than others when they assembled them. It stand to reason that with the chestbox in particular, because it ended up being a resin/fiberglass casting, that like all the other fiberglass portions of the costume, it began it's life as a lump of plasticine clay. So many other props used in production started the same way. When I think fiberglass, I think sculpted clay parts. Still it's not that far of a stretch to see a guy reach into a cardboard box filled with bits of wood and other carpentry delights and grab a wooden plaque or "newel post cap" and say, hey, sand this, mould it up and make me some hollow castings of it............ Maybe someday, the guy who did it, however he did it, will see one of these threads and say, "you know, I didn't think anyone really gave a turd who made it or how it came about, but this is what I did: ........ " Until then, I'm gonna assume it was a clay sculpt personally. To me it's just more logical.

Dave :)
 
Next time im in B&Q i will check these out. When i first wanted to make my own chestbox i was looking for basic large square wooden picture frames, but these are def worth a look inho, cheers.
 
Not really an apology... just conveniently and unjustly shifted the blame to a few others.

As for the chestbox itself, heck, it could have even been carved out of greenfoam. That is very quick and not a problem to get fairly clean angles. There are so many possibilities, and I highly doubt that ANY one of us propsters knows for sure EXACTLY how it was made. As one who has personally heard the words of sculptor Brian Muir as he reminisced about sculpting all the Vader parts, even he was not apparently responsible for the creation of the chestbox. I'd think it'd be near impossible at this point to pinpoint the person responsible for it's creation. And as long as it was accurate in shape and size there's no way anyone can say with any authority that what you have was not made correctly.

Again being neutral I think we should stay on topic before this gets locked. Gino may or may of not learnt how others feel from this debate but he did issue an apology. Even if there is some defiance it's getting to the point where I consider the odds are unfair against one person even if he either asked for it or can stick up for himself.
 
Well, I tend to think it was moulded from a found item, what that item is though, is anyone's guess. The reason I think it's a found item is the measurements. I just find it hard to think that a prop maker would build a prop that's 6 7/8in (17.5cm) and not just 7in (or 18cm if they were working in metric ). Now if it was not equal on all sides, then I would think that it may have been scratch built. If, however, it was scratch built, why pick those measurements :unsure

Just my thoughts.

Cheers,

Kraig
 
It's my understanding that it is wider than it is tall -- about 3/16".
And placing square outlines over some photos seem to suggest this as well.

Doug
 
Ive actually been wondering about why the lights dont blink in ANH but do in every other movie. Do you think they ran out of time to do the blinking? or was adding the red lights something they came up with for ESB just because they wanted it to look cooler in the very dark scenes like hoth and the freezing chamber?
 
As much time and budget pressure they were under it's a miracle it came out as well as it did. My bet is on time crunch.

Doug
 
To bad there isn't any pics of the backside of the original ANH box. Or is there? Do think Prowse might remember anything about the chestbox?
Its been aloooong time. Are the rods a found object? Because they sure look like it. With the bottom end with a hole. As if it were an antenna to something ??
 
It's my understanding that it is wider than it is tall -- about 3/16".
And placing square outlines over some photos seem to suggest this as well.

Doug

That's interesting, thanks for the info:thumbsup

Maybe it is another type of electronics project box, made of fiberglass?

A very real possibility GH.

I've also thought that an old junction/terminal box might be a candidate, Similar to these.....

http://www.calcentron.com/Pages/Vynckier_Home_Page/Vynckier_SERIES55.htm

http://sentek.en.alibaba.com/produc...curity_Products_Accessories/Junction_Box.html

I'm sure I've seen beveled covers in old buildings, that I assume would be covering wiring or maybe phone lines? I know they still make junction/terminal boxes out of fiberglass. However, the ones I recall seeing had the box in the wall and only the cover is raised.

I don't know, maybe I'm clutching at straws :confused

Cheers,

Kraig
 
Well, I tend to think it was moulded from a found item, what that item is though, is anyone's guess. The reason I think it's a found item is the measurements. I just find it hard to think that a prop maker would build a prop that's 6 7/8in (17.5cm) and not just 7in (or 18cm if they were working in metric ). Now if it was not equal on all sides, then I would think that it may have been scratch built. If, however, it was scratch built, why pick those measurements :unsure

Just my thoughts.

Cheers,

Kraig

Kraig, That's a good point, because when I was looking into the measurements I actually made the box 7 inches as I thought noone would make such an odd measurement. Later I changed the size to the box to the correct dimensions as it looked too big and things did not line up properly. I referenced so much material and nothing believes me to think it's bigger then the 6 7/8 or at the most 6 15/16 size.

I doubt this very much but Is it possible that the original was 7 inches and the mold shrunk ????
 
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I don't believe shrinkage was involved that would result in a lost of 1/8" per side. My reasoning for this is that when I measured the red/green lenses on my casting, they measured exactly to that of the real red/green lenses. So no detectable shrinkage whatsoever. 6 7/8" is the number I arrived at on my casting as well. On the one side, there was some variation in that number due to the warpage from the tear found in the mould. So I took several measuremnts across the entire side and averaged it...........it came out to 6 7/8". Peace,

Dave :)


Kraig, That's a good point, because when I was looking into the measurements I actually made the box 7 inches as I thought noone would make such an odd measurement. Later I changed the size to the box to the correct dimensions as it looked too big and things did not line up properly. I referenced so much material and nothing believes me to think it's bigger then the 6 7/8 or at the most 6 15/16 size.

I doubt this very much but Is it possible that the original was 7 inches and the mold shrunk ????
 
I don't believe shrinkage was involved that would result in a lost of 1/8" per side. My reasoning for this is that when I measured the red/green lenses on my casting, they measured exactly to that of the real red/green lenses. So no detectable shrinkage whatsoever. 6 7/8" is the number I arrived at on my casting as well. On the one side, there was some variation in that number due to the warpage from the tear found in the mould. So I took several measuremnts across the entire side and averaged it...........it came out to 6 7/8". Peace,

Dave :)

Regarding shrinkage... then it shrinks 0.XX - X.XX %. Smaller surfaces though, show less shrinkage than a larger surface/area. Let's say the smaller area shows shrinkage at about .02mm from the real source, then a larger area could easily show as much as 1.2mm or more all depending on the numbers. Just a thought.

If you are gonna measure shrinkage... don't measure small areas, but large ones.

This was only regarding shrinkage and nothing to do whether the box shrank in molding and casting or whatever.
 
Can I ask those who feel the chestbox was sculpted if they
believe this because of some surface and shape irregularities?

For example: if, say one of the sides was not strictly square?

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Well, there are surface irregularities (waves) on the face of the box. You can see them in the movie.

Can I ask those who feel the chestbox was sculpted if they
believe this because of some surface and shape irregularities?

For example: if, say one of the sides was not strictly square?

:thumbsup
 
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