ANH Vader chest box..think i've found the 'source item'

[vader1974]

I do not have a Vader costume or plan to start one. Mostly because of stuff like this. I got an inacurate Vader helmet from a member of The Dented Helmet for FREE, after paying for a VM2 Helmet which Ojika failed to deliver. I am completely happy with it sitting on my shelf.

My wife has just started looking into doing her own R2. She's been amazed at the amount of info available there, and OPENLY shared between all the members. Full accurate plans and measurements are shared between ALL members, from the old, to the brand new. Hell, when someone makes a part of out aluminum, they even send out the part to others to cast in other materials! THATS a great club. Friendly, open, and helpful.

Unfortunately, the R2 Club is an exception to the rule.

I also think the community would be lacking without the "bigger characters" in it, where their ego's can bounce off each other.

"Bigger characters" can still exist without ego, secret keeping, and fighting.

Brian

 

[Art Andrews]

That's mentor and devilishly cynical expert to you, former Mouth Of Matt! :thumbsup
Book full of photos, endless answers, dangles shots from the archive proving statements made.......man you're right, what a Gino

lol:lol Oh this is just too easy...

 

[Jumpin Jax]

lol:lol Oh this is just too easy...

It's even easier to not turn the focus on someone else and start bashing based on personal issues. No one's perfect, but they can make a difference. Whatever I learn about props and costumes, I try to pass on and be helpful. I may know secrets that I can't share, but save for puncturing the occasional rampant ego, I don't mention them, because it doesn't help. Just a thought.

 

[vaderdarth]

So, gettin back on topic here........has anyone had any luck with post caps so far. I saw one of the ones listed that actually looked pretty good, but it wasn't the right size. Any other luck???

Dave

 

[Too Much Garlic]

If it has the right size and shape, does it really matter if it's not how the originals were made?

Just a thought.

 

[vaderdarth]

Heck no, not really. This is a replica props forum. We strive to make replicas and we can make them any way we see fit. Excellent point by the way. I like the way you think. That is what this forum was built on.

Dave

If it has the right size and shape, does it really matter if it's not how the originals were made?

Just a thought.

 

[lambotour]

If it has the right size and shape, does it really matter if it's not how the originals were made?

Just a thought.

To some, perfectionism is everything. To others, close enough will do. It's a matter of personal taste and only debatable by ones' own standards.

 

[defstartrooper]

Well i can see the point in a way if its a found item then if you can find the same item used you will have the exact measurements and bevels not just an educated guess even if it is just a square box

 

[yodakiller1138]

I'm just happy to have a fiberglass GH box. As close to the original as I'll be likely to get. And to add my 2 cents I think the original might have been a sculpted box as the copy i have is not symetrical like the helmet and the other armor parts. The stuff you found is a good alternative though.

:cool

 

[vaderdarth]

Scott, my only problem with that theory, is that the castings were a bit warped due to the condition of the mould when they were made. It's still possible that the original box used to make the thing was perfectly square. If you look at screen stills, the box is far more clean and straight than that of fan castings. Now obviously, this is only one man's opinion. I'm not stating it as fact.

Dave

 

[yodakiller1138]

Then again I might be wrong and you might be right.:cool

 

[Darth Kahnt]

Glad to see that this thread has gotten back on track. As a Vader nut myself I hate to see these threads degenerate into petty disagreements. As a moderator, it just creates more work and hassle. I personally prefer to share my Vader info via PM sometimes because of the drama that tends to unfold when it is mentioned in a public thread.

Let's make sure this thread stays civil.

Very interesting discovery Hal. Certainly food for thought.

 

[TMP]

Gino.
You have some very good vader stuf, but you seam to forget that there is not only one answer to Darth Vader. There are several. Several mask, armor, chestboxes, belt, shiguards, bodysuits, capes, robes and cods were made. Not One.. But several. I therfore think it is a bit sad and arogant when you so firmly claim that you know the correct answer.
If you aquired some items, then that is great for you. You dont have to reaveal your entire story or details. But you could back them up with some standard info.

You also have a tendency to claim that oher peoples design or work are wrong without backing it up with actual proveing your claim to be right.
To be open to ideas and new info in the Star Wars world is important, because there are new info comming forward all the time. I think in this claim that it was wrong to say so firmly that this persons discovery was not to even take in consideration.
I personally think that this may be very likly knowing how they worked in the first movie with very limited budget and with allot of creativity.

My sugestion to you Gino...
If you are not willing to share a bit standard info backing up your claim then dont bother to whrite your coments. Also to disregard this based of you having a glassfiber chestbox does not prove anything. It could have been cast of a wood piece. If you do have info it beening sculpted from scratch then please say so and where you got that info from.
Nobody working there at that time was told to hold those info secret.
Info like this is not worth the penny for anyone else than geeks like us.

ANYWAY.
Guys. We all have shared our opinions about this and i belive most of us read the opinions of eachother. But let us stop the flaming and arguing, this leads us nowere. Lets just all agree, if you want to coment to anybody or claiming something of issues like this we should back them up with some info or photos... If not.. Then please dont comment.

 

[TMP]

Wow i use so long time writing that, in between people post and get back to topic... :lol Wow.. I need a secretry typing for me.
BTW. This took me 5 minutes :lol

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Wow, what a thread. I admire GINO for being a man of his word, and if he gave word to whoever let him in on the inside dirt to not divulge that information, I'm fine with that. His pics speak pretty loudly to the quality of his goods.

That said, It is entirely plausible that the chest box was not cast from something as simple as a wood post, but who cares if it was or wasn't in the end? If you can make yourself a mold you are happy with from said wood block, then guess what? It's the correct source. If you do decide to use that piece of wood to mold yourself a box, I am sure I am not the only one who will be sitting here champing at the bit to see the pics.

So get on it!

 

[Dark Shadow]

I feel compelled to add my two cents. I have been frusterated beyond what I can handle with Ginos ways. I totally agree. If Gino has information he cant share THEN DONT EVEN SHARE THE FACT THAT THERE IS KNOWLEDGE. This has gone on time and time again. Gino. if you intend to continue this escapade about the fact that you have "sensative information" you cant share and have no intentions about keeping quiet about it then perhaps you should keep any and all coments to yourself. Enough said.

 

[GINO]

Enough.
I'll be my own judge of what I post, what I share, or don't. If I want to help out a little, or a lot, or not at all.

I've already said that my intentions are not to dangle info, so if you see it that way when I do decide to share partial info, that is your problem. Maybe you should do more listening and research and less complaining.

 

[GINO]

If Gino has information he cant share THEN DONT EVEN SHARE THE FACT THAT THERE IS KNOWLEDGE.

I think this kind of statement is what bothers me the most.
Why would you not want to know if you are wrong about something? So you can feel good about the stuff you have? I'm sorry if some of the truths you hear from time to time about the original stuff vs. the pieces you have is so shattering, that you would rather bury your head in the sand and just not know.

I can't understand that kind of mentality.
I'd rather trash my stuff and start over from scratch, than try to convince myself that what I have is right.

I might post some truths from time to time, so if you don't want to hear what I have to say and take the sheltered route, there's always that ignore feature.

Seriously, this thread isn't about me. I suggest, getting back to topic. I won't post in this thread anymore as long as I don't feel I have to defend myself.

 

[Lan-Ed-Tul]

gino quotes:

For anyone offended, let me apologize.
It was not trying to dangle info although I see how what I said could come across that way. I genuinely thought that pointing out what I did (even though I couldn't divulge everything about it) would still be helpful

i can tell you with 100% certainty that the ANH chestbox was not made via a source item. That's all I can say. Take it for what its worth

What I'm saying isn't based on my personal opinion or I would state is as so. It's factual.

Like I said, take it or leave it

and the most contreversial statement:

I didn't say there wasn't evidence, but there are reasons for not completely spilling my guts about it.
I was just trying to help prevent another incorrect myth from being started.
I'm also not trying to argue. Either take my word for it, or don't.



IMO, stating theres no evidence to back it up, but saying thats not what something was made from, and to just, in blind faith, take someones word for it, that they know, but will not divulge the source, is hogwash.

if you make these kinda statements, and provide not even in the slightest info to back up the claims, does sound to me like, CUZ I SAID SO, THATS WHY!!!

providing some factual info would go alot more towards your creditability.
and i dont mean just saying this or that, i mean proving it.

anyone can say anything, on anything, and that dont mean its true unless they can provide that info to back up what they say, else dont say it.

just my thoughts after reading through this heated thread.

 

[darthvaderv]

Again being neutral I think we should stay on topic before this gets locked. Gino may or may of not learnt how others feel from this debate but he did issue an apology. Even if there is some defiance it's getting to the point where I consider the odds are unfair against one person even if he either asked for it or can stick up for himself.