ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

[deadbolt]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

Excellent work, Pat!!

Although I have also begun to reconsider the t-track theory for the DL-44, and the antenna beside the track sounds very likely for the Merr Sonn, I'm not fully confident if it's quite the same setup for both. And I'm not really sure if the stem was ever fully missing from the DL-44 either, it's really tough to tell what was cropped out and what wasn't in the new left side photo.

My thought is that it seems possible for the t-track to be rotated off center to where the edge of the track's base is roughly center on the Barrel. May be possible for the center strip to be modified causing the odd look from the side, and likely allot of glue around like you suggest. From the top view this way seems very similar. And if the track mods can be figured, the look from the side may be fixed as well.

I haven't modified the track here just yet, just rough trimmed to length. But notice the antenna height from the side seems to match pretty decent as well.

Also, the current t-track here seems pretty close scaled at a 10mm base width. :thumbsup


-Carson

 

[kpax]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

Here are a bunch of photos of the receiver with the ATT both full and part broken to compare.

Remember that the size is a little off (prob too big) but close enough to tell. The mock up is just clay and cardboard so don't mind the sloppy appearance.

It looks odd and different but it is the only way it works.

 

[kpax]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

Looks good Carson,

But why would they center all the Merr Sonn sights and not the Solo Hero?

I could see if the FH was twisted, that's entirely possible but the sight blade should still be in the center of the barrel, they weren't that sloppy.

In this image if you look close, you can see the glue line from the top image and the Promo side shot. They match up.

My thought is that in these shots the Track was missing and only the glue lines remain.

IF the T track was there you would be able to see it in this image:

I took photos from the same angle after removing only the left antenna.

 

[kpax]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

Based on the Merr Sonn T track, and the shadow across the vertical blade, my guess is that the blade tapered about half way up the blade and had rounded edges on top. (see cross section)

This is the way I see the front sight build as it would have been if Capt. Solo wasn't such a butter fingers and dropped his blaster so much!

Well.. that's all I got. Holding this thing and turning it over and over and looking ate the available photos, it matches.

but, I could be wrong...

let the discussion commence!

 

[deadbolt]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

I agree, that's the main problem I see with my crooked t-track idea. Why would they glue it that way! :lol

What does everyone else think?


-Carson

 

[kurtyboy]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

Gino's t-track tapers from the bottm all the way up. I've re-sent you the email with dimensions.

 

[kurtyboy]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

More like this:

 

[kpax]

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Thanks Marcus, Got your dimensions. Thanks! close. His are a bit bigger maybe. all in the ball park though.

The drawing you made and Gino's could well be the way it is. Very small part after-all.

This is why I though what I thought:

 

[kpax]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

From the pics I've seen, the MR track sight is twice as wide which always made me uncomfortable. If it were that big, it could never work.

 

[lonepigeon]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

There are a lot of posts here. Frankly, I think you're working hard to prove something that's already been done.
My drawing is much more correct than yours. Your part proportions are way off which is skewing your ideas/findings. There's no room for the antenna to sit next to the track (your mockup track is too skinny).

One antenna sitting on top of a piece of T-track. That's it.
The track's center ridge is broken or purposely cut.
The reason you don't see the antenna's stem in some pics is because it angles inward and gets obscured (or the pic you're looking at is very low quality).

The reason I don't come to this thread very much is because I've been over all this before with MR. They matched their 3D model to higher res pics and the T-track/antenna combo always matched. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing to figure out except the identity of the parts.

I am very interested in the new barrel being worked up and I'm looking forward to new parts being produced.

 

[kpax]

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Hi Chris,

I appreciate your input and comments.

We can only work with what we have unfortunately.

I certainly don't want to argue, but this thread is to discover the truth as best we can so...


If you are saying that the:

"The track's center ridge is broken or purposely cut."

"The reason you don't see the antenna's stem in some pics is because it angles inward and gets obscured (or the pic you're looking at is very low quality). "

makes me wonder if you are seeing it any better. If the photos you have access to are that much better, wouldn't you know for sure?

Again, not trying to start anything, just wondering.

I do appreciate your input, experience and dedication, I think we all do.

We are just trying to do the best we can with what we got.

If you look at the pic below again, you can see that if the antenna was sitting on top of a flat track, it would show for sure in these pics.

Again, these photos are taken at the same general angle and the quality of the Merr Sonn pic is good.

And if like you say the track is even bigger... it would show more, wouldn't it?

Any help is appreciated!

 

[kpax]

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again... not trying to argue, just trying to understand.

The below pic now includes a MR Elite taken at the same angle and you can clearly see the track.

I know Chris told me a while back that the track was there under the Merr Sonn and that the angle prevented us from seeing it. I don't understand how it is not seen in the other photos if it is correct on the MR?

And remember, the MR barrel is not correct:
It is too small diameter -
is not tapered -
and is not flat on the bottom... and they had the good photos and this was missed, why not the antenna set up?

I think I need OB1 to help me again.

 

[kpax]

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Just an effort to get accuracy for all interested in this project.

The ultimate outcome may never be decided for all concerned, but at least we can say we exhausted all the options.

The parts will be made as individual parts so each person can assemble it as they see fit. I just thought I'd offer a molded version for a easy build.

I think the image below shows the location of the antenna head fairly clear. To me, it seems it is further to the left than in the Lonepigeon image.

Just me?

 

[kpax]

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oh well, off to eat some early turkey...

I hope it's not crow!

:lol

 

[kurtyboy]

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If that thing is not the antenna then I have absolutely no clue what it really is.

I wish someone would post a proper photo and not a halftone I scanned from a book!

Just an effort to get accuracy for all interested in this project.

The ultimate outcome may never be decided for all concerned, but at least we can say we exhausted all the options.

The parts will be made as individual parts so each person can assemble it as they see fit. I just thought I'd offer a molded version for a easy build.

I think the image below shows the location of the antenna head fairly clear. To me, it seems it is further to the left than in the Lonepigeon image.

Just me?

 

[kpax]

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And remember, the MR barrel is not correct:
It is too small diameter -
is not tapered -
and is not flat on the bottom
... and they had the good photos and still this was missed, why not the antenna set up?

 

[deadbolt]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

There are a lot of posts here. Frankly, I think you're working hard to prove something that's already been done.
My drawing is much more correct than yours. Your part proportions are way off which is skewing your ideas/findings. There's no room for the antenna to sit next to the track (your mockup track is too skinny).

One antenna sitting on top of a piece of T-track. That's it.
The track's center ridge is broken or purposely cut.
The reason you don't see the antenna's stem in some pics is because it angles inward and gets obscured (or the pic you're looking at is very low quality).

The reason I don't come to this thread very much is because I've been over all this before with MR. They matched their 3D model to higher res pics and the T-track/antenna combo always matched. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing to figure out except the identity of the parts.

I am very interested in the new barrel being worked up and I'm looking forward to new parts being produced.

I mean no disrespect to you or MR what so ever, they have the most accurate replica around currently and many people really love it. But I think we can all agree that MR, even with archival photos, missed and/or didn't quite understand more than a few provable details on their replica.

Considering that fact and considering the Barrel Greeblie area is possibly the most mysterious and unclear detail out of maybe two or three other major mystery spots on the DL-44, I see no reason to accept MR's research and replica as that 'Perfected'. Unless there's a different archive photo showing more proof than these photos we've been using, then IMO, these details are just as speculative to any researcher as it is to even MR.

I really mean no disrespect, Chris. I and I know others just want to see this blaster as close as it can get, after all, our intent is replicating. We also have to consider it's always possible we may never find much more reference in the future. I sure hope we do, but we never really know.


-Carson

 

[kpax]

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... and even if you we don't agree right away, this is a post for discussion and thinking and rethinking which helped us make the other parts as near perfect as I think ever will be.

Wait until you see what Carson has done!

The re-discussion and respectful questioning pushed this project forward.

I hope my pig-headed rehashing does not keep Chris away. I for one appreciate the input. It makes me look and re-look over and over again as I know it does for everyone else that frequents this post.

I know this is old hat for you Chris, but I am relatively new here and learning as I go... and we did discover quite a few new details after all this time.

 

[Lichtbringer]

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make the other parts as near perfect as I think ever will be.

Well, reading that is really funny. :lol

The first rule is always "After something was made up to the newest discoveries, there will always be a more accurate one after the next new discoveries. Maybe after 1 month, or after 4 years, but it will happen." :love

 

[kpax]

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I hope we can figure out the rest.

As for the front sight greeblie, I am relying on a physical model that I can compare and look at from all angles.

From the materials I have and the photographic evidence we have to date, my model matches very well from all angles and all the different photos.

Lets face it, the only thing left on the prop by the end of production was the right antenna/toggle head and a bit of glue.

I havn't seen any photos that suggest that show the entire sight.

Has anyone ever seen better images of this?

or the other in this series?

Just wondering if the full sight is on at this time which I assume is a pre production shot.