ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

[deadbolt]

Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion

I'm not sure if I mentioned earlier in the thread or not, but the frame we've been scaling all of the latest parts to is a real Mauser bought earlier during the project to help the accuracy/scaling out a bit.

The knobs, from my measurement I get around 19mm or so also. :thumbsup


-Carson

 

[Lichtbringer]

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Well, i will consider the 19 as a possibility, but as all the "scaled" knowledge not as final - not until a real measurement has been made, after the real parts are found. If they will be found.


But as i´m not interested in buying any of these knobs, my thoughts should be irrelevant for your business.

 

[deadbolt]

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I agree, none of these measurements will ever be provable to the original unless it's obtained and measured. But we can try and get it as close as we can.

Lucky the largest piece of the blaster(the Mauser) is an easily identifiable and obtainable item, somewhat. Helps greatly with scaling the unidentified parts just that much closer.


-Carson

 

[kpax]

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It also must be considered that since the original blaster is lost to history we may never have an opportunity to measure against it...but as Carson said, he is comparing to a vintage Mauser of the same model and by overlaying the 3D models it becomes fairly obvious what the dimensions are compared to the frame, well withing a margin of error.

The best thing is that by overlaying the 3D models and comparing screen caps side by side you can visibly see if there are any differences.

In this build the 3/4 or 19mm looks right and the 20mm just looks too big. With a 20mm nut, the crossbar needs to be made wider to accommodate the nuts and then the crossbar covers too much of the frame.

Again, we have to thank Carson for these super accurate 3d models we have to work with. They have proved incredibly valuable to compare against with the best photos and real Mauser. It really tells the tale.

I'm sure you will be astounded when he posts some final pics.

Lichtbringer, do you not think the 19mm may not be accurate because you don't think they made 19mm thumb nuts or just that it is not an even number or that it couldn't be 3/4 inch? (check here for all of the above)

 

[Dpp1978]

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The measurements are far more likely to be Imperial rather than Metric.

Britain didn't really start going Metric in earnest until 1973 when we joined the EC, and only then to comply with European law. Most of the materials easily available in 1976 would probably have still been to Imperial standards.

Even now, nearly 40 years later we still hang on to our Imperial measures for some things even in the face of attempts to force conformity to EU legislation.

 

[kpax]

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thanks for the info and input!

Good to know.

anyone ever find any "check nuts" with the step from that period? Just curious as to the types of knurling available.

I have seen diamond, straight and a reverse diamond knurl where the diamonds are embossed rather than debossed.

just curious.

 

[Lichtbringer]

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Do we know if it was a stepped knob? Or have they altered a not stepped knob to make it look "different"? Or just used some washers? Was it from gun equipment, or some random mechanical stuff? A lot of guesstimates, atm.


Well, would it have been made in the US, i would instantly agree that the aged system has been used, as it´s still common.

But as it was made in Europe, from a stock of not only old british stuff, there is a high propability they used something from the metric system. Was it vintage at that time or just some new metric stuff picked for 10 Cent at the next local hardware shop?
As i made a quick attempt to scale it, my result was 19,5 - and at a 50/50 chance i choosed the side with the higher propabilities. That´s what my opinion is based on, i have no secret insights that i´m concealing.


But as i´m only interested in the cage and maybe the bar - don´t give my opinion to much value. I don´t really care ... it´s just my opinion and not my problem/concern nor your problem/concern. At the end i will use the vintage ones i have, or make me a set in a size and shape i think fit´s best ....

 

[kpax]

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All good questions.

And you are right that everyone will be able to adjust and further refine, age, modify the parts to suit their project, we just need to supply base parts that are as close to perfect as possible and also reasonable and practical to make.

I would assume that the nuts were found and not made or altered simply because the rest of the prop was not exactly "custom made" I doubt they would have machined a few nuts and put a step on the back of a nut that you couldn't see at all unless you were handling it.

The step is clearly visible in this pic:

According to our best measurement and also what is logical, practical and doable and what looks most correct on the model, the 3/4 nut seems our best bet.

The center mount screw is a toughy as well. The best I found for an available thumb screw was 11/16. The model and pics measure to around 17mm.

There are no current 17mm nuts or screws like that available. 11/16 is the closest and that was a solid that needed to be turned to add the hollow center depression.

Again the available metric seems to go from 16mm and jumps to 20mm with nothing available in between.

I think we will be making this one from scratch anyway so it doesn't matter as much but even a quick scaling will show that 16mm would be too small and 20mm way too big.

The one I made does not have the extended post under the knob that the real one has. On the real prop, the thumb knob sticks out quite a bit.

More like this:

but the HERO has a hollow face.

Still looking...

 

[kurtyboy]

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Similar stepped knurled knobs were used on some cameras. You can see some here even have the recessed center.

 

[Lichtbringer]

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I would assume that the nuts were found and not made or altered simply because the rest of the prop was not exactly "custom made" I doubt they would have machined a few nuts and put a step on the back of a nut that you couldn't see at all unless you were handling it.

Probably you are right on that - but hey, they glued antennas and t-track. :lol

The center mount screw is a toughy as well. The best I found for an available thumb screw was 11/16. The model and pics measure to around 17mm.

There are no current 17mm nuts or screws like that available. 11/16 is the closest and that was a solid that needed to be turned to add the hollow center depression.

I know you don´t believe they altered the parts - but one of the above shown pics shows a little center pin, the same as would happen when using a not correct centered tool on a lathe. Really from a mis-aligned mass-production? Or from machining single parts with often changed tools, made in a hurry?

Again the available metric seems to go from 16mm and jumps to 20mm with nothing available in between.

No 18mm? Additional to the basic 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, ..... there is also often 2mm stepped stuff available (10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, .....) if 1mm steps are "to much" and not needed.

 

[kpax]

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nice find. beautiful camera.

But I think thee center thumb screw is a screw rather than a nut, meaning the threaded rod is attached to the knurled thumb wheel.

You can see this in the ST video where Reed actually attaches the mount.

The entire thumb screw is already inserted in the cradle mount, he slides the mount on to the dovetail and then tightens the screw.

So the center attachment is a screw (like this

rather than a nut that tightens over a threaded rod like the side ones like this:

 

[Lichtbringer]

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I agree on the screw thing.

 

[kpax]

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Probably you are right on that - but hey, they glued antennas and t-track. :lol




I know you don´t believe they altered the parts - but one of the above shown pics shows a little center pin, the same as would happen when using a not correct centered tool on a lathe. Really from a mis-aligned mass-production? Or from machining single parts with often changed tools, made in a hurry?





No 18mm? Additional to the basic 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, ..... there is also often 2mm stepped stuff available (10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, .....) if 1mm steps are "to much" and not needed.

Anything is possible...

I can't find any 18mm available. If you have seen some let us know.

I just don't think they would have altered the end nuts, just no reason to, but that center one is a mystery but it was likely made by the same place that made the mount and was either a custom made one off or a limited run for some gun co. so the weird center is...weird.

Funny no one has any info on that mount. I even contacted Mauser but no luck.

Even asked some gun boards. very detailed piece for a one off. Looks to be cast or forged steel. Very odd... but Carson has done an incredible job replicating it and I am told we should be able to machine them very well.

 

[Lichtbringer]

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I´ve never searched for a 18mm bolt, was just wondering .....

17mm is also my guess - the 3 wheels are not needed to be from the same origin. The center was probably original to the mount, to fasten the dovetail ... but the 2 outer knobs can be from anything, be it new from a hardware shop or very old from the bottom of a loose parts box. Anything that was suitable to put the parts from different origins together.

The whole scopemount is a strange thing.


For me this blaster is pretty much done and out of my books, just want to swap the cage (sooner or later), and maybe redo the grill some day when i´m bored. Other than those small replacements, newer targets are on my list.

The next star is always the brightest.

 

[Caveneau]

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The attention to detail in this thread is amazing.
Isn't cool how fan made replicas are often made far better than the original screen-used versions.
Lichtbringer, will there be kits available at some point?

 

[kurtyboy]

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Not to mention better than the mass produced replicas - which are just going to take the info here and use it for their own profit LOL!

The attention to detail in this thread is amazing.
Isn't cool how fan made replicas are often made far better than the original screen-used versions.
Lichtbringer, will there be kits available at some point?

 

[Caveneau]

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What's the general opinion on the MR Han Solo-ANH blaster?
I apologize for asking such a novice question which I'm sure has been asked many times.

 

[TridCloudwalker]

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Not to mention better than the mass produced replicas - which are just going to take the info here and use it for their own profit LOL!

They'll still get it wrong.

 

[kurtyboy]

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The Elite edition incorporated a lot of the new stuff discussed here but Kpax and Co. are one step ahead of that already. A big step.

What's the general opinion on the MR Han Solo-ANH blaster?
I apologize for asking such a novice question which I'm sure has been asked many times.

 

[Lichtbringer]

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Isn't cool how fan made replicas are often made far better than the original screen-used versions.

That´s not that hard, nearly every piece of OT SW was born from a great idea/design, but absolutly crappy build. :lol

Lichtbringer, will there be kits available at some point?

No idea, you need to ask Deadbolt and Kpax. They seem to work on that, but we will know more about "if made/offered" and "to a acceptable/reasonable price" after they have it done and start a for sale thread.