ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found
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kpax
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Thanks for the input! I'm happy you are looking too.
The photo is so soft and blurry that you can miss some of the detail. I "think" your version misses the alignment of the tube section by a bit which makes the fins look a bit smaller.
I have a higher contrast version I will post for you to study.
Please keep testing this, We want the truth, not my views alone.
Thanks for the input! I'm happy you are looking too.
The photo is so soft and blurry that you can miss some of the detail. I "think" your version misses the alignment of the tube section by a bit which makes the fins look a bit smaller.
I have a higher contrast version I will post for you to study.
Please keep testing this, We want the truth, not my views alone.
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But what I'm trying to say is that the wider section of the Merr Sonn piece is a closer match. Less taper from top to bottom and shorter fins.
But what I'm trying to say is that the wider section of the Merr Sonn piece is a closer match. Less taper from top to bottom and shorter fins.
kpax
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Here is a overlay of Kurtys and a high contrast version of the HERO.
Agian, I feel that the image is so soft you loose some of the features.
I made a high contrast image trying not to get any background artifacts in and adjusting as best I can. Maybe someone can get a better image and do the same.
This is what I got:
The fins are again close but using the bottom sections which are straight when compared to the hero.
They must be very similar but not exact.
Here is a overlay of Kurtys and a high contrast version of the HERO.
Agian, I feel that the image is so soft you loose some of the features.
I made a high contrast image trying not to get any background artifacts in and adjusting as best I can. Maybe someone can get a better image and do the same.
This is what I got:
The fins are again close but using the bottom sections which are straight when compared to the hero.
They must be very similar but not exact.
kpax
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I didn't think the Merr Sonn piece, bottom section had any taper. Am I mistaken or is it straight?
....And where did those darn thick square top rings come from?
I didn't think the Merr Sonn piece, bottom section had any taper. Am I mistaken or is it straight?
....And where did those darn thick square top rings come from?
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It has taper just not much. The thicker rings are a mystery though! Maybe some filler?
I doubt they are square though, we just don't have any photos good enough to show that.
It has taper just not much. The thicker rings are a mystery though! Maybe some filler?
I doubt they are square though, we just don't have any photos good enough to show that.
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deadbolt
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Nice work everyone!
It looks to me that the top piece could be a cut up, offset piece the same size as the larger pieces, maybe tilted back a little too. It looks like it could be the same sized radius as the lower pieces, but then again it might not be.
-Carson
Nice work everyone!
It looks to me that the top piece could be a cut up, offset piece the same size as the larger pieces, maybe tilted back a little too. It looks like it could be the same sized radius as the lower pieces, but then again it might not be.
-Carson
kpax
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Sorry, I agree the HERO pic shows the taper, I thought you meant the Merr-Sonn piece as drawn by Lonepigeon. That drawing has the wide part as being straight with no taper.
The taper on the HERO is consistent on both sides of the tube which suggests that the whole piece is tapered not just tipped, and if tipped the "inner tube" would also be tipped and I can't see that it is.
What I am talking about with the thicker "square top" rings is shown below. I think it is clear enough to show that they are "squarer" than the fins at any rate.
Sorry, I agree the HERO pic shows the taper, I thought you meant the Merr-Sonn piece as drawn by Lonepigeon. That drawing has the wide part as being straight with no taper.
The taper on the HERO is consistent on both sides of the tube which suggests that the whole piece is tapered not just tipped, and if tipped the "inner tube" would also be tipped and I can't see that it is.
What I am talking about with the thicker "square top" rings is shown below. I think it is clear enough to show that they are "squarer" than the fins at any rate.
deadbolt
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Is it possible that the thicker rings are just the bottom fins of the pieces laying on the top fins of another, and maybe with glue residue or something filling the space between them?
The lowest thick ring would set back just like that because of the downward Taper to the larger pieces, and the tops of the thick rings look to possibly have the same angle/point that the other fins have.
What does everyone else think?
-Carson
Is it possible that the thicker rings are just the bottom fins of the pieces laying on the top fins of another, and maybe with glue residue or something filling the space between them?
The lowest thick ring would set back just like that because of the downward Taper to the larger pieces, and the tops of the thick rings look to possibly have the same angle/point that the other fins have.
What does everyone else think?
-Carson
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There is not a single decent photo of the hero to show them conclusively as square. With such blurry photos we can see what we want to if we're not careful!!!
As for the Merr Sonn part, the machined ones do have a very slight taper on the thick part. In fact, looking closely, the inner wall is parallel to the fins and it too tapers ever so slightly!
There is not a single decent photo of the hero to show them conclusively as square. With such blurry photos we can see what we want to if we're not careful!!!
As for the Merr Sonn part, the machined ones do have a very slight taper on the thick part. In fact, looking closely, the inner wall is parallel to the fins and it too tapers ever so slightly!
kpax
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This is a cleaner, not very, but clearer version of the right side HERO. It must be a photo of a page since it is bent and distorted. Even still, you can line up the inner tube straight on the bottom two segments and see the outside taper.
The MerrSonn piece you have, unless cast off the originals, is a machined or cast piece made by someone else trying to figure out and replicate the same things we are. They made their own estimates and may or may not be accurate.
If the Merr Sonn parts are very slightly tapered it may just be a production artifact rather than an intentional taper.
I see what you getting at but Lonepigeon drew it as straight walled. Was this the intent?
I agree that all the pics we have are far from sharp, but we can infer (I think) that:
1) The parts are tapered to some degree.
2) The fins are more or less flat with a soft edge, possibly bull nose (round)
3) The thicker connecting rings seem squarer or Flat edged.
4) The grill was put together very strangely
5) The fins are all beat up
The good news is that when Carson gets the 3d models and we can overlay the parts we will be able to visualize the parts much much better and compare angles and see if it lines up and fits.
And I agree 100% that we have to be careful not to see what we want, but we can only work with what we have. If there are no better pics, we can try to get as close as humanly possible by testing and comparing.
This is a cleaner, not very, but clearer version of the right side HERO. It must be a photo of a page since it is bent and distorted. Even still, you can line up the inner tube straight on the bottom two segments and see the outside taper.
The MerrSonn piece you have, unless cast off the originals, is a machined or cast piece made by someone else trying to figure out and replicate the same things we are. They made their own estimates and may or may not be accurate.
If the Merr Sonn parts are very slightly tapered it may just be a production artifact rather than an intentional taper.
I see what you getting at but Lonepigeon drew it as straight walled. Was this the intent?
I agree that all the pics we have are far from sharp, but we can infer (I think) that:
1) The parts are tapered to some degree.
2) The fins are more or less flat with a soft edge, possibly bull nose (round)
3) The thicker connecting rings seem squarer or Flat edged.
4) The grill was put together very strangely
5) The fins are all beat up
The good news is that when Carson gets the 3d models and we can overlay the parts we will be able to visualize the parts much much better and compare angles and see if it lines up and fits.
And I agree 100% that we have to be careful not to see what we want, but we can only work with what we have. If there are no better pics, we can try to get as close as humanly possible by testing and comparing.
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deadbolt
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I noticed something interesting with the Merr Sonn Grills, do these grill pieces look a little misaligned to anyone else?
Does anyone know the origin of the Sharp image of the Fins? It looks almost metal. Maybe a metal version was made and all the other Grills are cast copies of it? If that's a different grill in that photo, then the other Grills seem to carry the same flaw.
To me it looks like the 2 Grills on the Merr Sonn Blasters may be 2 separate pieces themselves. Making it 4 Grill pieces total on the Merr Sonns.
What do you guys think?
-Carson
I noticed something interesting with the Merr Sonn Grills, do these grill pieces look a little misaligned to anyone else?
Does anyone know the origin of the Sharp image of the Fins? It looks almost metal. Maybe a metal version was made and all the other Grills are cast copies of it? If that's a different grill in that photo, then the other Grills seem to carry the same flaw.
To me it looks like the 2 Grills on the Merr Sonn Blasters may be 2 separate pieces themselves. Making it 4 Grill pieces total on the Merr Sonns.
What do you guys think?
-Carson
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kpax
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these are offered as some of the best evidence for the edges I have gleaned.
After considering all the images I have seen including these and comparing the way the light reflects off the surfaces I surmised the Grill as I posted earlier, with the flat, engine like cooling fins with soft rounded edges not unlike the MR versions... although this new version is more accurate (I think), including the cut out front bottom fin and tapered sections.
You can see in the few cross section views where the fins are cut, the edges appear rounded especially in the front view pic.
In that left side pic detail you can tell that the thicker rings have a definite vertical wall when compared to the "fins".
these are offered as some of the best evidence for the edges I have gleaned.
After considering all the images I have seen including these and comparing the way the light reflects off the surfaces I surmised the Grill as I posted earlier, with the flat, engine like cooling fins with soft rounded edges not unlike the MR versions... although this new version is more accurate (I think), including the cut out front bottom fin and tapered sections.
You can see in the few cross section views where the fins are cut, the edges appear rounded especially in the front view pic.
In that left side pic detail you can tell that the thicker rings have a definite vertical wall when compared to the "fins".
kpax
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It looks misaligned slightly. Hard to tell the truth is.... (sorry Yoda)
It looks misaligned slightly. Hard to tell the truth is.... (sorry Yoda)
kpax
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Nice pic!
I see what you mean. In your pic the edge looks flatter when sandwiched together. But this doesnt really explain the cross section of the fins on the blow up I posted. All the upper fins show a rounded edge and these are the only ones that are cut and show a cross section edge.
I took a section of the MerrSonn that showed an area of cross section of cut fins to show the difference.
I also tried to chop the pic you posted and reassemble it as the HERO and there are problems with doing it making me think it can't be the same piece.
So hard to tell for sure but it seems that when lined up to approx. the correct scale to get the fins to align, the inner tubes are not right. Those thicker rings are impossible to figure into the whole thing. Even doubled up and sandwiched it wont be the right size or position and I had to add a fin or two.
Maybe someone else can give it a go.
As has been said before, there is nothing to say these are the same parts and may only be similar parts. The fins on the Merr Sonn may be shaped the same way as the HERO but it is not really possible to tell for sure.
I don't think we can go too wrong by making the fins with "soft" or broken edges and flatter- thick rings.
Safe and accurate for the evidence we have.
What do you all think?
Nice pic!
I see what you mean. In your pic the edge looks flatter when sandwiched together. But this doesnt really explain the cross section of the fins on the blow up I posted. All the upper fins show a rounded edge and these are the only ones that are cut and show a cross section edge.
I took a section of the MerrSonn that showed an area of cross section of cut fins to show the difference.
I also tried to chop the pic you posted and reassemble it as the HERO and there are problems with doing it making me think it can't be the same piece.
So hard to tell for sure but it seems that when lined up to approx. the correct scale to get the fins to align, the inner tubes are not right. Those thicker rings are impossible to figure into the whole thing. Even doubled up and sandwiched it wont be the right size or position and I had to add a fin or two.
Maybe someone else can give it a go.
As has been said before, there is nothing to say these are the same parts and may only be similar parts. The fins on the Merr Sonn may be shaped the same way as the HERO but it is not really possible to tell for sure.
I don't think we can go too wrong by making the fins with "soft" or broken edges and flatter- thick rings.
Safe and accurate for the evidence we have.
What do you all think?
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kpax
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Just wondering, where did the idea for the Arrow shaped fins come from? Is there some evidence for this?
If pipe fittings or connectors, the ones today are actually sharp and flat on one side and beveled on the other to allow you to push it into the tube or pipe as seen below.
I do like the one piece that has the fatter ring and tube base. Close but no cigar.
Just wondering, where did the idea for the Arrow shaped fins come from? Is there some evidence for this?
If pipe fittings or connectors, the ones today are actually sharp and flat on one side and beveled on the other to allow you to push it into the tube or pipe as seen below.
I do like the one piece that has the fatter ring and tube base. Close but no cigar.
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The fin shape comes from Lonepigeon presumably which he saw on LFL photos.
The fin shape comes from Lonepigeon presumably which he saw on LFL photos.
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