Alright Amazon:
You promise me Giant Elven Satellite Eyeballs, and I will sign up for Prime.
Amazon's Lord of the Rings (tv series)
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You promise me Giant Elven Satellite Eyeballs, and I will sign up for Prime.
Wait, so she's spending all this effort splashing about and treading water when all she has to do is look up?It probably also helps that she was taught the principal difference between a ship and a rock.
kalkamel
Master Member
Assuming Tolkien's world is similar size to Earth, you can see about 3 miles before the curvature of the earth gets in the way
Elrond was standing on a cliff and mentioned the ship passing beyond his vision.
Elves have better than normal vision so from that vantage point how far?
At sea level the curvature of the earth limits the range of vision to 2.9 miles. The formula for determining how many miles an individual can see at higher levels is the square root of his altitude times 1.225. Thus on a clear day at 1,000 feet a person with normal vision can see 39 miles; at 10,000 feet, 123 miles; at 25,000 feet, 194 miles. With good visibility a pilot at 25,000 feet can see Germany from the English Channel; at the same altitude over Tunisia he can see the middle of Sicily.
Science: How Far Can You See?
Pan American clipper pilots have found that most of their passengers have surprisingly hazy notions of how far they can see in the air. One passenger, 20,000 feet above Brazil, insisted that she could...content.time.com
how high up was the cliff? if close to 1,000 feet that is 39 miles
at 100 feet that would be 12.9 miles
That is a long swim
although the longest distance someone has swam is 250 km or 155.343 miles
so it is theoretically within range of a determined elf
Longest distance ocean swim (marathon swimming)
This is for the longest journey made by swimming in the ocean. This record is to be attempted by an individual. This record is measured in kilometres to the nearest 0.001 km, with the equivalent imperial measurement also given in miles. For the purpose of this record, swimming is defined as the...www.guinnessworldrecords.com
Arda, the world on which the western continent of Aman as well as the continent of Middle-Earth is contained, at this time is still a flat disc. Only after the sinking of Numenor did Eru Illuvatar change the shape from flat to round.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Third episode in. They sure are playing fast and loose with the lore. But I'm actually kinda enjoying the show a bit. As an adaptation it has so far stunk.(keeping in mind they literally only have the rights to the appendices from the back of Return of the King) But on a technical level, it's not to bad so far.
Lord Boron
Sr Member
I like the episode, but yea...the Warg did not look good to me. The animation was not good and something with the eyes was just off. I think all the money for this episode was spend on Numenor, which looked fantastic.
kalkamel
Master Member
The painting of Elros and Elrond in the Numenorean Hall of Lore presents a major problem caused by the show's time compression. Elros chose to become mortal and in doing so became Tar Minyatur, the first King of Numenor. Since his reign, there have many Kings to succeed him (all of them descendants of the half-elven Elros) and the changing monarchs also affected the change in the perception of the Numenoreans towards the Elves and the Valar. Over the centuries, the Numenoreans slowly turned away from the Elves and the Valar and began to despise them because of their deathlessness. It was only until Tar Palantir, Miriel's father that he decided to go back to the old ways. When he died, Miriel was supposed to take over as Queen Regent and continue her father's legacy, but her cousin Pharazon forced her to marry him and in doing so became the King. Pharazon and his King's Men are anti-elf/Valar.
These events and the changing perception of the Numenoreans take place over the course of 2 thousand years so to compress it to a mere few hundred years just so that they can have characters like Miriel, Pharazon and Celebrimbor existing at the same time goes against the legendarium. Also, Elrond is depicted as a young up-and-coming Elf who's not even an Elf-lord, so its hard to reconcile this with the fact that his twin brother Elros and his descendants had already come and gone and built Numenor to the peak of its power. It makes Elrond look incompetent and throughout all those years he hasn't done anything worthwhile.
These events and the changing perception of the Numenoreans take place over the course of 2 thousand years so to compress it to a mere few hundred years just so that they can have characters like Miriel, Pharazon and Celebrimbor existing at the same time goes against the legendarium. Also, Elrond is depicted as a young up-and-coming Elf who's not even an Elf-lord, so its hard to reconcile this with the fact that his twin brother Elros and his descendants had already come and gone and built Numenor to the peak of its power. It makes Elrond look incompetent and throughout all those years he hasn't done anything worthwhile.
Was that Narsil given to Elendil ?
Personally I decided to see this as a retelling not, a prequel, so at least I can somewhat enjoy it though I don’t find the show captivating so far. That said it made me curious about how they would execute their version of LOTR then.
Personally I decided to see this as a retelling not, a prequel, so at least I can somewhat enjoy it though I don’t find the show captivating so far. That said it made me curious about how they would execute their version of LOTR then.
kalkamel
Master Member
It looked like a giant chihuahua on meth.
kalkamel
Master Member
I doubt that is Narsil. The pommel has a sun emblem which seems to be the main symbol for Numenor in the show. Narsil was made by Telchar of Nogrod in the First Age and would not have had any Numenorean symbol.
I didn't believe R.O.U.S.'s existed!
Analyzer
Master Member
For those hoping to reconcile how Rings of Power Numenor fits into the books and other written works...
In “Adar,” the rightful king of Númenor — unnamed in the episode, but presumably Tar-Palantir based on the books — currently lives in exile atop a tower, having been deposed by his own people. Meanwhile, his daughter Míriel (Cynthia Addai-Robinson) rules in his stead as queen regent, aided by her influential advisor Pharazôn (Trystan Gravelle). All of this is material invented by The Rings of Power showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay and their team of writers.
www.polygon.com
In “Adar,” the rightful king of Númenor — unnamed in the episode, but presumably Tar-Palantir based on the books — currently lives in exile atop a tower, having been deposed by his own people. Meanwhile, his daughter Míriel (Cynthia Addai-Robinson) rules in his stead as queen regent, aided by her influential advisor Pharazôn (Trystan Gravelle). All of this is material invented by The Rings of Power showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay and their team of writers.
Why Lord of the Rings never went to Númenor before The Rings of Power
At least, on screen and in the main Tolkien books
www.polygon.com
CT1138
Sr Member
In fairness, the wargs we got in the two Jackson trilogies also looked different. The LotR wargs looked more like giant hyenas, and the wargs in The Hobbit looked like giant wolves. The Rings of Power wargs look like they're sticking closer to the Hobbit design, which I think is honestly better anyway. This one definitely looks mistreated.
At the same time, there were numerous different Orc breeds in Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit: Mordor orcs, Moria orcs, Mordor Uruks, Uruk-Hai, Goblins... The same thing could be going on with the wargs, and Sauron made super-charged hyena looking Wargs in the Third Age that were different from the ones seen here and in The Hobbit.
asalaw
Master Member
O…M…G.
I never had any intention of watching this. I loved Peter Jackson’s films, but I’ve never read the books, and I was skeptical after the trailers. But as I was working today I could hear my wife watching it, and it was the worst dialog I’d ever heard. And I’ve seen Ed Wood movies.
After work I sat in with her, and 30 minutes was enough. I can’t believe they blew $250M on the rights and then $750M for the season. It’s the most extravagantly produced collection of idiotic clichés and stock characters I’ve ever seen. You’d think for $1B they could afford some professional ******* writers. I’ve seen better writing on a bubble gum wrapper. It makes Star Trek: Strange New Hair look like the ******* Godfather.
After this, Amazon would be a laughingstock, if there were any justice. But there isn’t.
At least there’s Terminal List, so I don’t feel obligated to cancel my subscription….
I never had any intention of watching this. I loved Peter Jackson’s films, but I’ve never read the books, and I was skeptical after the trailers. But as I was working today I could hear my wife watching it, and it was the worst dialog I’d ever heard. And I’ve seen Ed Wood movies.
After work I sat in with her, and 30 minutes was enough. I can’t believe they blew $250M on the rights and then $750M for the season. It’s the most extravagantly produced collection of idiotic clichés and stock characters I’ve ever seen. You’d think for $1B they could afford some professional ******* writers. I’ve seen better writing on a bubble gum wrapper. It makes Star Trek: Strange New Hair look like the ******* Godfather.
After this, Amazon would be a laughingstock, if there were any justice. But there isn’t.
At least there’s Terminal List, so I don’t feel obligated to cancel my subscription….
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I just started Rings of Power and I almost turned it off.
When Galadriel’s brother asks her if she knows why a stone sinks and a boat floats, then launches into some nonsense about how a stone only sees downward.
That’s just dumb. A stone sinks because it’s heavier than the water it displaces. A ship floats because it’s lighter than the water it displaces.
When Galadriel’s brother asks her if she knows why a stone sinks and a boat floats, then launches into some nonsense about how a stone only sees downward.
That’s just dumb. A stone sinks because it’s heavier than the water it displaces. A ship floats because it’s lighter than the water it displaces.
CT1138
Sr Member
It's called a metaphor. Some elves have been known to speak nearly exclusively in them.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
I gave it to the second episode like I said I would. I'm done. I just don't care. Have fun folks!
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