Amazon's Lord of the Rings (tv series)
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ScourgiousJinx
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I love fantasy content and have been a Tolkien fan since I was a kid so my natural inclination is to enjoy this series. However watching it is like eating fast food or airplane food. It kind of gets the job done (sort of?) but I wouldn't if better options were available. It's certainly not nearly as good as some are making it out to be but nor is it as horrible as others seem to think. It's still early, so it has that going for it.
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I'm enjoying it so far. Admittedly more than I thought I would. I'm no Tolkien purist by any means, so I don't really care how far it deviates from the source material...as long as it is good.
I mean let's face it, the MCU's Spider-man is further from the source material than Rings of Power, the entire LOTR trilogy movies, Game of Thrones, and anything else you can think of--combined!!.......yet, it's still pretty good.
I mean let's face it, the MCU's Spider-man is further from the source material than Rings of Power, the entire LOTR trilogy movies, Game of Thrones, and anything else you can think of--combined!!.......yet, it's still pretty good.
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It's not prefect, but none of the LOTR movies nor the Hobbit movies were
For me they all had annoying deviations from the source material. Although that is true of just about every adaptation
There is also the issue of them not having rights to The Silmarrillion so they are constructing the story based on the Appendix timeline.
Supposedly they reference in passing, but cannot contradict material from The Silmarrillion?
As mentioned by someone else earlier in this thread, for me personally, it is not quite as good as LOTR, but not nearly as disappointing as The Hobbit
I do have one question
The guy that fell from the sky, is seems like it is supposed Gandalf (or one of the Istari) or is that really Sauron in a new form?
For me they all had annoying deviations from the source material. Although that is true of just about every adaptation
There is also the issue of them not having rights to The Silmarrillion so they are constructing the story based on the Appendix timeline.
Supposedly they reference in passing, but cannot contradict material from The Silmarrillion?
As mentioned by someone else earlier in this thread, for me personally, it is not quite as good as LOTR, but not nearly as disappointing as The Hobbit
I do have one question
The guy that fell from the sky, is seems like it is supposed Gandalf (or one of the Istari) or is that really Sauron in a new form?
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Also regarding Galadriel being a "warrior"
She’s described as “Amazonian” at one point, which is certainly the version we’re seeing in the show: “"[Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats,” Tolkien Letter 348.
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She’s described as “Amazonian” at one point, which is certainly the version we’re seeing in the show: “"[Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats,” Tolkien Letter 348.
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Yeah this scene was perhaps the dumbest thing I saw in the show. Other than that, I didn't have any major problems with the show so far.
Well, maybe I have a problem with the decision to include the Harfoots in the show. But that depends on how they are used. I think some people sat in a boardroom and said this is Tolkien, we have to put in some Hobbits for the fans. The important thing about the Hobbits is that they had completely been under the radar until the events of The Hobbit and LOTR. Sauron (and most other people in Middle Earth) didn't know who the hobbits were or where they come from. They never participated in big events in the world. I'll wait patiently and see how this turns out. I will be disappointed if they play into the story in any big way.
I dont recall her swiming back to anywhere... she ran into other people stuck in the ocean, and then days later, another boat. She may have only moved a few miles.
It was more about her thoughtless attempt. She wasn't gambling on being picked up at sea. She was attempting to swim the ocean.
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I think I remember reading showrunners giving that exact explanation that fans would essentially feel cheated without without Hobbits, nor could thy add Hobbits in without creating a contradiction to source material, thus Harfoots who were mentioned somewhere along the lines in the mythology
I'm 100% certain that is why the Harfoots were inserted into the story.
But the very fact that the story, characters and plot of RoP are shaped at all by pure "fan service" seems a problem.
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If you were stuck in the middle of the ocean what would you do? Its self preservation, of course shes gonna try swimming even if she knows its too far. Pointing this out as some kind of error or bad writing is dumb.
Maybe she shouldn't have jumped out of the boat in the first place, right?
And, please, let's not start calling each other names, OK?
I do think that was bad writing. Here's how I would have done it...
1. Show in an earlier establishing shot that the ship has a coracle or dingy.
2. at the last second she cuts it loose and dives after it.
3. Sails toward land, meets raft of people who are suspicious of her because how did you sail that tiny thing all the way out here, it's a corsair trap, etc.
4. seamonster attacks, coracle goes down, continue story as already written.
There's a ton of reasons to have a dinghy that have nothing to do with returning to your port of departure. Sailing to the West is not a 3-hour tour.
Elves aren't human nor do they have human restricting on their physiology.
Legolas walked ON TOP OF THE SNOW, could see for miles, & that's just what I'm remembering from the films.
Galadriel knowing that she could swim for miles & miles if needed isn't out of the question no matter how you look at it
Legolas walked ON TOP OF THE SNOW, could see for miles, & that's just what I'm remembering from the films.
Galadriel knowing that she could swim for miles & miles if needed isn't out of the question no matter how you look at it
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Assuming Tolkien's world is similar size to Earth, you can see about 3 miles before the curvature of the earth gets in the way
Elrond was standing on a cliff and mentioned the ship passing beyond his vision.
Elves have better than normal vision so from that vantage point how far?
At sea level the curvature of the earth limits the range of vision to 2.9 miles. The formula for determining how many miles an individual can see at higher levels is the square root of his altitude times 1.225. Thus on a clear day at 1,000 feet a person with normal vision can see 39 miles; at 10,000 feet, 123 miles; at 25,000 feet, 194 miles. With good visibility a pilot at 25,000 feet can see Germany from the English Channel; at the same altitude over Tunisia he can see the middle of Sicily.
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how high up was the cliff? if close to 1,000 feet that is 39 miles
at 100 feet that would be 12.9 miles
That is a long swim
although the longest distance someone has swam is 250 km or 155.343 miles
so it is theoretically within range of a determined elf
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Elrond was standing on a cliff and mentioned the ship passing beyond his vision.
Elves have better than normal vision so from that vantage point how far?
At sea level the curvature of the earth limits the range of vision to 2.9 miles. The formula for determining how many miles an individual can see at higher levels is the square root of his altitude times 1.225. Thus on a clear day at 1,000 feet a person with normal vision can see 39 miles; at 10,000 feet, 123 miles; at 25,000 feet, 194 miles. With good visibility a pilot at 25,000 feet can see Germany from the English Channel; at the same altitude over Tunisia he can see the middle of Sicily.
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how high up was the cliff? if close to 1,000 feet that is 39 miles
at 100 feet that would be 12.9 miles
That is a long swim
although the longest distance someone has swam is 250 km or 155.343 miles
so it is theoretically within range of a determined elf
Longest distance ocean swim (marathon swimming)
This is for the longest journey made by swimming in the ocean. This record is to be attempted by an individual. This record is measured in kilometres to the nearest 0.001 km, with the equivalent imperial measurement also given in miles. For the purpose of this record, swimming is defined as the...
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It probably also helps that she was taught the principal difference between a ship and a rock.
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