Alleged Screen Used Hero TOS Phaser up for auction (now the aftermath)

[MARK M3]

Well at the point at which veiled threats are made, in what should be a civil discussion, I find myself suddenly losing interest in continuing the discussion on this topic.

“There are always possibilities”. I remain open to more information. I will leave it at that.

Uh oh... I see a little misunderstanding happening!
You insult me by suggestions of veiled threats.
I just wanted to see just whose word would be accepted as Gold.

 

[Highliners]

Well? the information needed to make a good decision on the authenticity has already been presented. Unless that is, you as an individual cannot discern such things for yourself.

For "Hand Made" these two are identical. That would be impossible if they were made from photographs.

Excuse me, but in an unwarranted manner and numerous times, I have been personally attacked on this thread for "tone", as I see things because I challenged your group's insistence this Star Trek Phaser is a SHAM. That is unfortunately once again a "Deflection Tactic" as also is your condescending "wading through" comment.

---Kindly respond to the internal identical nature of the two depicted hand props as well as the otherwise inexplicable paint match.

You should (if you are at all an honest person) acknowledge my comments accuracy regarding this website's efforts to uniformly besmirch the expertise of those involved in the appraisal of this highly desirable "Hollywood Collectible Artifact".

 

[Highliners]

Who should I believe, you or my own lying eyes?

Seen on screen, from The Man Trap, a black and white hero with an illuminated P1.
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Also from The Man Trap, an illuminated P2, notice the P1 is lit in both shots as the sight is raised.
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And from The Enemy Within, illuminated black and white P2.
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I'm not saying the experts don't know their stuff, but they can certainly make mistakes.

Has the spike extended with the fitment of the Phaser I? NO. And how do YOU know that "raised site" was raised and not fixed on a specific "Hand Phaser" exclusively for a close-up?

It appears SOME of you are very desperate to diminish, demean and besmirch this certified and acknowledged as genuine "Hero Phaser Pistol" is an original. ---WHY THIS DESPERATE BEHAVIOR ON YOUR PARTS?!?!

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

Great screen grabs of the B&W

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

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[Captain Dunsel]

I just wanted to see just whose word would be accepted as Gold.

A resurrected Wah Chang or Irving A. "Irv" Feinberg would seem to fit that bill nicely

I’m personally open to anyone’s evaluation.

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

Uh oh... I see a little misunderstanding happening!
if fact you insult me by suggestions of veiled threats.
I just wanted to see just whose word would be accepted as Gold.

I'm just interested in seeing all the arguments for or against. It's less a question of authority than a question about presenting material and letting people pick it over themselves. Heritage was rather vague with their attribution of expertise, but they did give us a bunch of great photos. So, naturally inquiring minds that are invested in these props would be interested in either reviewing the detective work--or if it wasn't all made available--doing their own.

 

[Apollo]

Who should I believe, you or my own lying eyes?

Seen on screen, from The Man Trap, a black and white hero with an illuminated P1.
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Also from The Man Trap, an illuminated P2, notice the P1 is lit in both shots as the sight is raised.
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And from The Enemy Within, illuminated black and white P2.
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I'm not saying the experts don't know their stuff, but they can certainly make mistakes.

I was going to say B & W’s did in fact light up , so he is wrong on that, as well as the glaring fact of not knowing what Extra crispy is shuts down the so called “Expertise” from this person

 

[MARK M3]

A resurrected Wah Chang or Irving A. "Irv" Feinberg would seem to fit that bill nicely

I’m personally open to anyone’s evaluation.

Well seeing how a resurrection of your choices is unlikely , I was thinking perhaps someone still alive.

Just sayin

 

[Highliners]

I'm just interested in seeing all the arguments for or against. It's less a question of authority than a question about presenting material and letting people pick it over themselves. Heritage was rather vague with their attribution of expertise, but they did give us a bunch of great photos. So, naturally inquiring minds that are invested in these props would be interested in either reviewing the detective work--or if it wasn't all made available--doing their own.

I'm just interested in seeing all the arguments for or against. It's less a question of authority than a question about presenting material and letting people pick it over themselves. Heritage was rather vague with their attribution of expertise, but they did give us a bunch of great photos. So, naturally inquiring minds that are invested in these props would be interested in either reviewing the detective work--or if it wasn't all made available--doing their own.

That's wrong. Without expertise would you personally be able to diagnose Cancer? Or whether or not any of what I say is factually accurate. That is the deifintion of DEFLECTION! Again, ---WHY!?

 

[Gregatron]

That would answer my specific question of the trigger. Thanks.

I wouldn't be inclined to believe anything this guy says, considering his abhorrently rude behavior here.


Although I'm sure "experts" would be happy to say (without a lick of proof) that they talked to Wah Chang in 1976, and he gave them exact measurements of the triggers.

 

[Highliners]

I was going to say B & W’s did in fact light up , so he is wrong on that, as well as the glaring fact of not knowing what Extra crispy is shuts down the so called “Expertise” from this person

"Extra Crispy" Colonel Sanders needs no explanation. IT IS SLANG which is an anathema towards accuracy. AGAIN YOU ARE ALL doing mindless Group Think actually deluding yourselves into believing you've "Won The Debate" when it ha been settled and you guys lost. This Phaser is the real thing and not one of YOU can bring yourselves to admit this is fact! WHY!?

 

[MARK M3]

DELETE.

 

[Highliners]

I wouldn't be inclined to believe anything this guy says, considering his abhorrently rude behavior here.


Although I'm sure "experts" would be happy to say (without a lick of proof) that they talked to Wah Chang in 1976, and he gave them exact measurements of the triggers.

THAT is abhorrently RUDE BEHAVIOR. I have established my expertise so you again go AD HOMINEM. That means "personal".
Socially speaking, Greg or Joe or whoever you are, have breached the norms of social etiquette far more than ever would, ...or could.

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

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[Anakin Starkiller]

That's wrong. Without expertise would you personally be able to diagnose Cancer? Or whether or not any of what I say is factually accurate. That is the deifintion of DEFLECTION! Again, ---WHY!?

It's an interesting question. I was actually at the oncologist earlier this week and he very politely and clearly went over the results of a blood test with me to explain why and how he came to his conclusions about the likeliness of a cancer diagnosis. But, to continue your theoretical proposition, if I went to an oncologist and asked for him to go over the results of an investigation with me, and he told me that he's an expert, that I don't know anything, and then started asking me what my subversive intention was in asking follow up questions and then speculated that it might be because I was bitter that I don't get to examine cancer up close, I'd probably go find another oncologist.

 

[robn1]

Has the spike extended with the fitment of the Phaser I? NO. And how do YOU know that "raised site" was raised and not fixed on a specific "Hand Phaser" exclusively for a close-up?

It appears SOME of you are very desperate to diminish, demean and besmirch this certified and acknowledged as genuine "Hero Phaser Pistol" is an original. ---WHY THIS DESPERATE BEHAVIOR ON YOUR PARTS?!?!

In the Man Trap shot Spock is clearly seen rotating the wheel on his P1, the sight raises and the tip lights up.

You claimed the b&ws were built with no lights or working parts, I just showed you "irrefutable" proof to the contrary and you've brushed it off.

Perhaps it's you who should do some research, go watch the episode for yourself.

 

[Gregatron]

So my question to those of the "fake" opinion...just who's word and expertise would it take for you guys to admit this is the real deal?

Please give actual names to be clear and transparent please...An exercise of putting your money where your mouth (or phaser!) is.

Be careful, although we have a delete button, your words may come back at you.

Aside from the esteemed ALLEY and robn1, I'd go with any number of people on the Trek Prop Zone Forum who have been studying and discussing these the props in detail for many, many years. thegooj, Feek61, ASALaw, etc., as well as the HeroComm gang, etc., etc.

 

[Highliners]

It's an interesting question. I was actually at the oncologist earlier this week and he very politely and clearly went over the results of a blood test with me to explain why and how he came to his conclusions about the likeliness of a cancer diagnosis. But, to continue your theoretical proposition, if I went to an oncologist and asked for for him to go over the results of an investigation with me, and he told me that he's an expert, that I don't know anything, and then started asking me what my subversive intention was in asking follow up questions and then speculated that it might be because I was bitter that I don't get to examine cancer up close, I'd probably go find another oncologist.

Where have I said anything you claim I've said? I know everyone involved and this is an original. PROVE otherwise okay?

 

[Jintosh]

No "takers" in response to what I have said, huh! You're all simply ignoring me.... I love it!

Is that the problem here, You hate being ignored ?

This is quoting you back on page 2. That's what I meant by you set the Tone.