Alien: Covenant (Prometheus Sequel)

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Kit Rae said:
I hope not. The ship and interior were not even the same design as the one from Alien, and the biomechanical look inside was very different. I think that was from a different place, different time. Since the alien life cycle as we know it from Alien is depicted on the ampule room wall, I think that ship is from a much earlier time.

Ridley directed that it be different look, more mechanical than biomechanical (according to one of the behind the scenes vids posted here) for that very reason I'm sure.

By the way, the Art of Prometheus confirms something we surmised on the other Prometheus thread. Each dome has several ship hangers surrounding it, and there was a literal army of ships there.
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Hm that is interesting.... If you notice in Alien the jockey was freakishly huge compared to the humans... in Prometheus he's not near as big nor is the ship... I was wondering if that was a design flaw on the movie maker side or if it was actually relevant to the theory....
 
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It's a bit of a cheat in Alien since both the actors and children in scale space suits were used to make the set look even bigger than it was, but even at human scale, it was larger than the one in Prometheus. Maybe by 10-12%.

So many details are different though, they were not even attempting so say this was exactly the same breed or model. Another way to look at it is that this Engineer had been in the suit and chair so long that is has a much more developed biomechanical growth.

Some of the concept art indicates they started at the same scale as Alien, but then reduced it for the final film. Actually a lot of the concept art shows a much larger and grander scale for everything, specially the sets. Not that what we see in the final film were not big sets, but they were drawn much larger.

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Well, could it be possible the one that we see in Alien may have been an older one? I mean, we know human beings grow up. How do we know, for the Engineers, don't they get bigger the older they get? If that's the case, than the one in Alien may be a much older one than the one that was in hypersleep or any of the ones that died in the base.
 
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I've thought of that possibility also... but in Prometheus.. the older ones didn't look any bigger...
 
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Nwerke said:
PS total domestic/OS take now $217 mill. That's comparable to District 9, if I recall correctly, which had less than a fourth of the claimed budget for Prometheus.

On the other hand it is way past John Carter's domestic take, which stalled at $76 mill, and the film cost much less. If it proves to be a flop it's a lot less dramatic than that, at least.
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Lets round off the final take to $220mill and being conservative with BR/DVD sales as well, $15mill added to that, would around the $235mill mark be enough to be considered a success by the "Company"? It certainly seems that $100mill plus in todays climate is a healthy profit and worthy of reinvestment into another, but i dont know what their standards are.
 
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I don't think anyone has a clue if the budget was $100 or $150. People are just making a wild assed guess, and different studios/distributors have different margins, so we don't know what a 'success' margin is for this film.

It's only been in release a a short time, they still have BR/DVD, Redbox and other rentals, then sales to the pay channels. It will do just fine.

The only issue I see is will they give Ridley the money he needs to do another film this big in scope, or slash it. Cutting the budget way down on an Alien sequel is nothing new for Fox.
 
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Kit Rae said:
I don't think anyone has a clue if the budget was $100 or $150. People are just making a wild assed guess, and different studios/distributors have different margins, so we don't know what a 'success' margin is for this film.
Right but people can make an educated guess cant they? The post wasnt about a plot hole or story observation its just about some anticipated balancing of figures by Fox, shoulda just PM`d Nwerke.
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??? Neither was the reply. And people did make a guess at the budget. No one knows for sure, and no one knows the profit margin Fox needs. Guessing based on past film budget and profits, Prometheus is doing fine to warrant a sequel.

Going by the guessed budget of the previous Alien films, 3x is nice, but Resurrection barely got over 2x. We have had three films since then.
 
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AggieChick42 said:
I've thought of that possibility also... but in Prometheus.. the older ones didn't look any bigger...
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Ah, but did we see any older ones? If so, what scene? I've only seen two on camera in the film, the one in the beginning and the one in hibernation. The others we've seen appeared only in holographic form, unless there was some scene that I missed.
 
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AggieChick42 said:
Can't we just go with "It cost a LOT?" lol
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Much more than the last one I'm sure.


CB2001 said:
Ah, but did we see any older ones? If so, what scene? I've only seen two on camera in the film, the one in the beginning and the one in hibernation. The others we've seen appeared only in holographic form, unless there was some scene that I missed.
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I think he was talking about the one in the beginning, but there really is no reference for scale to say for sure.

The art of Prometheus states they were supposed to be 9' tall, so maybe 10' in the suit. Some of the concept art shows them 2x as tall as a man, which is what I expected the scale of the one in Alien to be based on the head and arms we see.

Really, they looked much more impressive being larger in the concept art than what we saw in the film. They would have been more intimidating.
 
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CB2001 said:
Ah, but did we see any older ones? If so, what scene? I've only seen two on camera in the film, the one in the beginning and the one in hibernation. The others we've seen appeared only in holographic form, unless there was some scene that I missed.
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hmmmm good point... we don't really know for sure I guess... the one in the beginning of Alien could of been a heck of a lot older then the ones in Prometheus... I guess we will never know...
 
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I think we just need to give them a mulligan on their size. It would have been impressive to make the larger but also more complicated to shoot. I think what was presented is a good compromise.
 
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CB2001 said:
Ah, but did we see any older ones? If so, what scene? I've only seen two on camera in the film, the one in the beginning and the one in hibernation. The others we've seen appeared only in holographic form, unless there was some scene that I missed.
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The scenes with the Elder Engineers all occured in the beginning sequence. They were also all cut from the theatrical release. The Art of Prometheus book has the pictures of them in it. They were actually smaller, and more frail looking than the Adonis-like Engineers we see.

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SSGT Kitten said:
The scenes with the Elder Engineers all occured in the beginning sequence. They were also all cut from the theatrical release. The Art of Prometheus book has the pictures of them in it. They were actually smaller, and more frail looking than the Adonis-like Engineers we see.

Charlie
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True, but with pictures we've seen, there isn't really a frame of reference for scale with them in comparison to scenes with the one in hibernation in the film and the scene with the Space Jockey in Alien (or to simply put, there's nothing where we can't tell how big they are in comparison to humans in that scene). For all we know they may actually be as big as the one in Alien, while the one sleeping in hibernation is actually much younger and slightly smaller.
 
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