Alien: Covenant (Prometheus Sequel)

[Nwerke]

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that's why there aren't any in Prometheus (though there is a naff sculpture of one)

Glad it's not just me. I thought it was a bit Camden Lock Markets, tbh. Fanart-esque.

When we get the the last guy, who clearly is stumbling around like he is sick, the last shot of him before he is decapitated shows he ALSO looks behind him.

I missed that. Guess I'll just have to see it again. OH NOES. :lol

That was the reason they picked that moon as the prime location, but it was an assumption that the Engineers would have come from an Earth like place.

A leap of faith, but a highly reasonable one. And we lack critical info - if the other five stars were all blue-white supergiants...

By the way, the Art of Prometheus confirms something we surmised on the other Prometheus thread. Each dome has several ship hangers surrounding it, and there was a literal army of ships there.

Uh, they do? I haven't read that page yet, but it sounds like an earlier version. Some of the paintings show a more radial complex, but the one we saw was linear. Where would the other hangars go? Not sure the valley could accomodate them except betweem the temples.

Going by the guessed budget of the previous Alien films, 3x is nice, but Resurrection barely got over 2x. We have had three films since then.

Resurrection killed the mainstream series, I think. The AVP features were milking the leftovers of two moribund franchises.

 

[Nwerke]

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Right but people can make an educated guess cant they? The post wasnt about a plot hole or story observation its just about some anticipated balancing of figures by Fox, shoulda just PM`d Nwerke.

??? Neither was the reply. And people did make a guess at the budget. No one knows for sure, and no one knows the profit margin Fox needs. Guessing based on past film budget and profits, Prometheus is doing fine to warrant a sequel.

Going by the guessed budget of the previous Alien films, 3x is nice, but Resurrection barely got over 2x. We have had three films since then.

KR, I think Mr. Webber read your response as being irascible. MW - I think KR meant to just be factual. He's probably quite right, I doubt any of the published figures are terribly accurate.

 

[Kit Rae]

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KR, I think Mr. Webber read your response as being irascible.

Me? Not in the least

Uh, they do? I haven't read that page yet, but it sounds like an earlier version. Some of the paintings show a more radial complex, but the one we saw was linear. Where would the other hangars go? Not sure the valley could accomodate them except betweem the temples.

Arthur max says something like "numerous hangars connected to each of these mounds around the Pyramid, a fleet fleet of ships" in the book. Sadly, no concept art to show this, other than in that early pyramid field painting.

David said there are other ships in the film and you can see markings for more than one circular hangar around the dome in the film. If you go back to the old Prometheus thread, someone (may have been me) posted a pic from one of the HD trailers where you can see at least one other circle to the right of the dome. If these bases were symmetrical, should be another one the left. Each of the five domes may have had 3 ships parked around them, possibly more behind.

It really makes it appear that this place simply was a weapons depot as the captain said. The black goo bio weapon was probably made right there in these domes, then loaded onto the ships.

 

[Kit Rae]

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Here they are. Hard to tell if they are exactly the same.

 

[AggieChick42]

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Wow kit, that's pretty neat to see. I remember seeing all those and pointing them out to my husband but he was all grumpy because he was tired and hungry lmao

 

[SSGT Kitten]

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I think there might be a good reason for cutting the scenes with the Elder Engineers. If it is possible for them to have total control over DNA, perhaps they have engineered themselves so they really DON'T age. As in what happened in Brave New World; they look the same and just drop dead one day or they just live forever, regenerating themselves. yeah it is a stretch, but not that far.

Charlie

 

[d_jedi1]

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I think there might be a good reason for cutting the scenes with the Elder Engineers. If it is possible for them to have total control over DNA, perhaps they have engineered themselves so they really DON'T age. As in what happened in Brave New World; they look the same and just drop dead one day or they just live forever, regenerating themselves. yeah it is a stretch, but not that far.

Charlie

Theoretically, we know how NOW. It's just not safe as it tends to cause some nasty cancer.
Once we figure out how to stop/counteract THAT however, we could (in theory) all look like we were in our early twenties for eternity (barring traumatic injury or accident).

 

[Mr Webber]

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??? Neither was the reply. And people did make a guess at the budget. No one knows for sure, and no one knows the profit margin Fox needs. Guessing based on past film budget and profits, Prometheus is doing fine to warrant a sequel.

Going by the guessed budget of the previous Alien films, 3x is nice, but Resurrection barely got over 2x. We have had three films since then.

Yes, but those three films have a large Predator element, if we throw them in all together it would be plausible to include possible Predator universe stoylines in future Prometheus movies as Fox might, not that i can see it.
So i guess the SHORT answer to my original question, Is $100mill profit considered enough for sequel territory? Maybe.

 

[Nwerke]

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So i guess the SHORT answer to my original question, Is $100mill profit considered enough for sequel territory? Maybe.

I can't see there being any chance of that - it would almost *have* to do much bigger numbers than that. The figure so far already are above that but it's still yet to reach 2x (claimed) budget - $227M worldwide. DVD/BR obviously will take it over but I'm becoming doubtful the final take will be enough to prompt a lot of studio enthusiasm, or at least we could expect Prometheus 2 to have a much reduced budget. Got to stress I'm no expert, there are people on here who could comment on a much more informed basis and I will defer to them if they do.

KR - thanks for the pics - somehow I'd taken the larger arc as being the perimeter of the hanger. Stupid of me, the ship is 1000' or so in length while the temple is much bigger than that, over twice that IIRC.

Even so though, the rough ground begins quite close to the sides of the temples. If those other circles are actually hangers then the Engineers were really pushing the limits of safety - they could be blocked by erosional debris by now. (The valley itself is clearly erosional - the Engineers weren't exactly building for the ages here. However impressive their technology might be the site is a risky one.)

Of course it would be quite possible that other ship designs are also hangered. Smaller ones perhaps.

 

[Kit Rae]

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The diameter of the other circles does look smaller to me, but hard to tell. The cloud shadows and low resolution make it appear the mountains at the sides are closer, but they were actually quite far in the film. There was a LOT of details in those line features on the ground, so this is one that will take some study when the BR disk comes out.

Here the scale layout cross section.

The whole cross section image can be found here.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--B0EgRAoD7g/T89mEQRhsrI/AAAAAAAAH0c/ZbGCgZJxQYI/s1600/prometheus+concept+art+01.jpg

 

[Bryancd]

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I have said before, I am willing to wager a sequel was in the cards prior to this films release. And yet again I do see a face on the top of that pyramid instead of a skull.

 

[Nwerke]

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It's not bettable really - we already KNOW that was the case, but the reality depends on the take.

When do you see the face? Check the shot just before the storm hits - it's clearly a skull in that.

 

[Kit Rae]

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It is a face in most (if not all) of the concept art I have seen. At some point they decided to make it a skull. The very first closeup of the head is when the the crew arrives at the dome. Hard to tell in that shot, but just a few seconds later we get another one, same profile as the art above. No nose sticking out. All the other shots prior to the storm just show a skull. Fits in better with the whole idea of this being a very dangerous weapons facility, and that being a constant reminder to the engineers who ran it.

I have found over 210 pieces of Prometheus concept art posted online now, and more turning up every few days. None of it is found in the art book, which has another 400 or so images, but a lot of it is more interesting than what they chose for the book, especially the space ship designs.

 

[Bryancd]

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It's not bettable really - we already KNOW that was the case, but the reality depends on the take.

When do you see the face? Check the shot just before the storm hits - it's clearly a skull in that.

And I would suggest the current revenue plus anticipated ancillary revenue from DVD release will be sufficient.
And it is a face in an overhead shot just before they leave the vehicles.

 

[Kit Rae]

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the "face" debate will seemingly never end. I just watched those scenes on a screener (yeah I know, but I'm buying the BR disk too) We have beat it to death I think, but that overhead shot is kind of face like, but lighting and angle affect what you see. About 40 seconds before that is the first closeup, in side profile, and there is no nose. It just flat there. Not 20 seconds after the overhead shot we get direct shot looking at the front, showing the skull eye and nose holes. That's all pre-storm.

 

[Nwerke]

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And I would suggest the current revenue plus anticipated ancillary revenue from DVD release will be sufficient.
And it is a face in an overhead shot just before they leave the vehicles.

I hope you're right on the first. On the second I didn't think it looked facelike in that shot, and I'm not sure why it would change a few hours later without even the agency of the storm as a weak reason. Then again they did change a lot on this production.

 

[Bryancd]

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I hope you're right on the first. On the second I didn't think it looked facelike in that shot, and I'm not sure why it would change a few hours later without even the agency of the storm as a weak reason. Then again they did change a lot on this production.

I was positing the theory that when they arrive the temples are places of worship and have the face of an Engineer on the front. Then when our merry band disturb the chamber, the entire world reacts. The storm is artificial, wrath of God kind of stuff, and as it blows in alters the face to a skull and now our temple is a tomb. Totally spit balling this, but the storm does seem VERY coincidental although it could simply be a plot device to maroon those two knuckleheads in there overnight.

 

[Nwerke]

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But the storm doesn't change the face. It's a skull before it hits.

 

[Bryancd]

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But the storm doesn't change the face. It's a skull before it hits.

I am arguing it's not. At least based on that one kind of close up overhead shot where I can see a more fully realized mouth. When i went the second time to see the movie I very much paid close attention to that shot and that's what I saw.

 

[Nwerke]

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No, but it's not a matter of interpretation - it IS a skull BEFORE the storm hits. Er, guessing you missed the shot showing that? It's the one literally seconds or a second before the storm hits. I know the earlier one is quasi-ambiguous, but that one isn't.