mathew
Well-Known Member
Nice work, that's already a lot further than mostI recognised the 'Thoth' and the 'lord' symbols
About The mummy returns prop-Help!!!
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mathew
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I looked in the library, it seems that this isn't a real book. Maybe an article but I don't know for sure.
Here are some words I could fill in by looking at other books and using logic. The term Sopdet should get me further though.
The normal English name is sothis, and this is a direct transliteration of the Egyptian Hieroglyphs. I'll look into it.
(? ASTRONOMY ANDASTROLOGY
and SOPDET). Surviving? accounts of the
celebration of thisperiod from the ? of the
established chronology of Egypt. However, even
with the additionof five additional days
days corresponding to the birthdays of the Gods
Osiris, Isis,Horus, Seb and Nephthys a
discrepancygradually developed between the
lunar year of 355 days and the Natural (?) solaryear,
which was almost six hours longer. This
effectively meant that the civil year and the
agricultural seasonal year were synchronised only
once every 1460 years, although this does not
seem to have regarded as a fatal flaw until the
Ptolemaic period,when the concept of the ‘leap
year’ was introduced into the Alexandrian calendar,
later forming thebasis for the Julian and
Gregorian calendars.
As well as thecivil calendar there were also
Liturgical/ Lunar (?) calendars consisting of
FESTIVALS and ceremonies associated with
particular God and City (e.g. the Feast of
Opet in Thebes, celebrated in the second month of Akhet)
*Edit*
Well this is embarrasing, with the knowledge we have now.
Here are some words I could fill in by looking at other books and using logic. The term Sopdet should get me further though.
The normal English name is sothis, and this is a direct transliteration of the Egyptian Hieroglyphs. I'll look into it.
(? ASTRONOMY ANDASTROLOGY
and SOPDET). Surviving? accounts of the
celebration of thisperiod from the ? of the
established chronology of Egypt. However, even
with the additionof five additional days
days corresponding to the birthdays of the Gods
Osiris, Isis,Horus, Seb and Nephthys a
discrepancygradually developed between the
lunar year of 355 days and the Natural (?) solaryear,
which was almost six hours longer. This
effectively meant that the civil year and the
agricultural seasonal year were synchronised only
once every 1460 years, although this does not
seem to have regarded as a fatal flaw until the
Ptolemaic period,when the concept of the ‘leap
year’ was introduced into the Alexandrian calendar,
later forming thebasis for the Julian and
Gregorian calendars.
As well as thecivil calendar there were also
Liturgical/ Lunar (?) calendars consisting of
FESTIVALS and ceremonies associated with
particular God and City (e.g. the Feast of
Opet in Thebes, celebrated in the second month of Akhet)
*Edit*
Well this is embarrasing, with the knowledge we have now.
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Knowing how lazy they were with the other material, it's a safe bet that this wasn't written from scratch. I didn't have any luck with finding the original source either though. The film came out a good while ago, so it's more likely that it would be a physical resource than a website (which is anoying for us
). It would be good to have the original source(s) though, that first page is really hard to make out from the time it's on screen.I'm starting to wrap up some of my work list, I might get around to redrawing the scorpion (and giving him a tail) soon.
For the first column the text is:
The earlies Egyptians calendars were based on lunar ? Combined with the ? Cycles of the Nile Inundation ? With Nilometers maybe (I am not sure).On the b? The Egyptians divided the year in twelve months and three seasons Akhet (? ?) period(spring time ?.......)
(I will put and other text if i find this)
The earlies Egyptians calendars were based on lunar ? Combined with the ? Cycles of the Nile Inundation ? With Nilometers maybe (I am not sure).On the b? The Egyptians divided the year in twelve months and three seasons Akhet (? ?) period(spring time ?.......)
(I will put and other text if i find this)
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I was using either the built in viewer in Windows or Photoshop. The problem is more the base image than the tool used, it's only on screen for a second or so which makes getting a reference very tough! That's why I was hoping we'd be able to find the source that the prop maker originally used to take the text from, like I was lucky enough to find the obelisk they copied the hieroglyphics from.
Mike J.
Master Member
Come on you guys, you gotta try harder than this
http://books.google.com/books?id=Xn...yptian calendars were based on lunar"&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Xn...yptian calendars were based on lunar"&f=false
Come on you guys, you gotta try harder than this
How the bloody hell did you find that!? I spent ages trying various combinations of the more unique sentences and got precisely nothing. For future reference it looks like searching in Google's web search engine doesn't have all the hits of searching in the document search.
It looks like the actual book is this one though (PDF downloadable): https://archive.org/details/The_British_Museum_Dictionary_of_Ancient_Egypt
Searching for "fatal flaw until the Ptolemaic period" took me to the pages which had the text for both columns. It's the book's page 58 and 59, and that's page 56 and page 57 in the PDF. it looks like the prop maker flipped to C for calendar, copied every word there and called it good
Annoyingly it's a scanned image so some typing is involved still Thanks for the leg up Mike
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And I just saw on Amazon that I can buy this new for only £4,400 (or used for a penny)!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-li...w?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1407254556&sr=8-4
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-li...w?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1407254556&sr=8-4
With a little help from that PDF and www.onlineocr.net I have the two columns:
The earliest Egyptian calendars were based on
lunar observations combined with the annual cycle
of the Nile INUNDATION, measured with
NILOMETERS. On this basis the Egyptians
divided the year into twelve months and three
seasons: akhet (the inundation itself), paret (spring
time, when the crops began to emerge) and shemu
(harvest time). Each season consisted of thirty-
day months, and each month comprised three ten-
day weeks. This was an admirably simple system,
compared with the modern European calendar of
unequal months, and it was briefly revived in
France at the time of the Revolution.
The division of the day and night into twelve
hours each appears to have been initiated by the
Egyptians, probably by simple analogy with the
twelve months of the year, but the division of the
hour into sixty minutes was introduced by the
Babylonians. The smallest unit of time recognised
in ancient Egypt Was the at, usually translated as
'moment' and having no definite length.
The Egyptian year was considered to begin on 10
July (according to the later Julian calendar), which
was the date of the heliacal rising of the dog star.
Sirius (see ASTRONOMY AND ASTROLOGY
and SOPDET). Surviving textual accounts of the
observation of this event form the linchpin of the
traditional chronology of Egypt. However, even
with the addition of five intercalary ‘epagomenal’
days (corresponding to the birthdays of the deities
Osiris, Isis, Horns, Seth and Nephthys), a
discrepancy gradually developed between the
lunar year of 365 days and the real solar year,
which was about six hours longer. This
effectively meant that the civil year and the
genuine seasonal year were synchronized only
once every 1460 years, although this does not
seem to have been regarded as a fatal flaw until the
Ptolemaic period, when the concept of the 'leap
year' was introduced in the Alexandrian calendar,
later forming the basis for the Julian and
Gregorian calendars.
As well as the civil calendar there were also
separate religious calendars consisting of
FESTIVALS and ceremonies associated with
particular deities and temples (e.g. the Feast of
Opet at Thebes, celebrated in the second month of
akhet).
There was a copying error in the screen used text which I have replicated, where ‘Each season consisted of four thirty-day month’ became ‘Each season consisted of thirty-day months’. They also didn't include the last sentence from the book's 'Calendar' entry which talked a little about the priests adjusting the calendars.
Now it just needs formatting into a couple of columns with all the right spacing in the right font.
The earliest Egyptian calendars were based on
lunar observations combined with the annual cycle
of the Nile INUNDATION, measured with
NILOMETERS. On this basis the Egyptians
divided the year into twelve months and three
seasons: akhet (the inundation itself), paret (spring
time, when the crops began to emerge) and shemu
(harvest time). Each season consisted of thirty-
day months, and each month comprised three ten-
day weeks. This was an admirably simple system,
compared with the modern European calendar of
unequal months, and it was briefly revived in
France at the time of the Revolution.
The division of the day and night into twelve
hours each appears to have been initiated by the
Egyptians, probably by simple analogy with the
twelve months of the year, but the division of the
hour into sixty minutes was introduced by the
Babylonians. The smallest unit of time recognised
in ancient Egypt Was the at, usually translated as
'moment' and having no definite length.
The Egyptian year was considered to begin on 10
July (according to the later Julian calendar), which
was the date of the heliacal rising of the dog star.
Sirius (see ASTRONOMY AND ASTROLOGY
and SOPDET). Surviving textual accounts of the
observation of this event form the linchpin of the
traditional chronology of Egypt. However, even
with the addition of five intercalary ‘epagomenal’
days (corresponding to the birthdays of the deities
Osiris, Isis, Horns, Seth and Nephthys), a
discrepancy gradually developed between the
lunar year of 365 days and the real solar year,
which was about six hours longer. This
effectively meant that the civil year and the
genuine seasonal year were synchronized only
once every 1460 years, although this does not
seem to have been regarded as a fatal flaw until the
Ptolemaic period, when the concept of the 'leap
year' was introduced in the Alexandrian calendar,
later forming the basis for the Julian and
Gregorian calendars.
As well as the civil calendar there were also
separate religious calendars consisting of
FESTIVALS and ceremonies associated with
particular deities and temples (e.g. the Feast of
Opet at Thebes, celebrated in the second month of
akhet).
There was a copying error in the screen used text which I have replicated, where ‘Each season consisted of four thirty-day month’ became ‘Each season consisted of thirty-day months’. They also didn't include the last sentence from the book's 'Calendar' entry which talked a little about the priests adjusting the calendars.
Now it just needs formatting into a couple of columns with all the right spacing in the right font.
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Fixed, thanks Mike.
I'll make the Scorpion King cartouche as I don't see an accurate one, what is the size of the book/page, does anyone know or what is the best guess?
The book looks to have been made by a Brit (both text and hieroglyphics came from the British Museum) and given the size in the pictures I would guess that each page is A4 which is 210mm x 297mm (8.3" x 11.7").
Here is what I was able to come up with so far & also just a test layout based on what I have found here! I know it's not 100% accurate, please tell me what needs to be corrected so far, I know the tail is not 100% & I am not sure what the exact hieroglyph is 3rd down on each side so I just drew one for now...
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