AA/SDS recasting issue...

[gavidoc]

Hey Mike,

No offense my man, but please, in the future, read, reread, and rereread a post before you decide to respond to it. Key words in Motorfish's post that you seem to have missed are (I put them in bold for you):

Originally posted by motorfish@Jan 12 2006, 08:12 PM

Some people are thieves and liars, that's why. Some companies are evil and dishonest as well. Pure and simple.

the people who sued over copyright and won did so because they either had enough evidence claiming ownership/rights on said item, OR they already had an existing copyright on said item, which superceeded the later one.
I really doubt that LFL is out to screw SDS studios over. Why would they? Call it a hunch, but it just feels like it's the other way around, doesn't it?

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Kay?

You say Motorfish's responses have no merit because he doesn't like AA.

I've come to the following conclusion and can say that AA supporters/detractors (as some call them) can fall into the following categories.

Supporters
1. Those who like the idea of a little guy sticking it to the man and the fortitude of his big brass ones.
2. Those who have obtained or have the possiblity of obtaining benefits from the source for supporting him.
3. Those who think: So what if he has recast a few pieces. His crap is rockin and he is the original maker.

Detractors. :rolleyes
1. Those who don't like the idea of the little guy sticking it to the man.
2. Those who see their own ability to make ST items diminish with the success of the source.
3. Those who have bought his stuff and think it is worthless overpriced pieces of plastic.
4. Those who see that he's lied about the origins of his molds, has been caught having recast specific items, and don't like his ethics.


I'd say I'm in category #4 on the Detractors :rolleyes list.

Which of the supporter categories do you fall under?


On a side note. You abruptly shut off your side of our conversation earlier when a staff member tried to treat us like a couple of pre-schoolers. I saw nothing wrong with our conversation and if you didn't, would like to continue it.

 

[gavidoc]

As for the law firms....As my brother always says (and he's a lawyer).

Publicity is publicity, good or bad. The law firm he was with (he is in the Jag Corp now) would take on a case if it was high profile enough. Even if there was only a 1 in 4 chances of winning. Reason being, that high profile case would garner a lot of publicity. Didn't matter if they won or not. Others would see their name and what they were capable of doing.

Seemed to work for his firm. IIRC, it was one of the biggest in OHIO before he left.

 

[SithLord]

Originally posted by exoray@Jan 12 2006, 09:12 PM
Simple...

If AA had ANY even a small part of the clear legal owner ship of the trooper likeness (as a few claim to be fact) the answer to this question would be easy abandon the US lawsuit, let a default be entered take the money he would have spent and then the magic would start...  SDS v LFL (in UK court since there seems to be some imagined rights for AA there)  ---  SDS wins in a landslide easy case because of his ownership to the trooper likeness under UK law, and LFL is liable for 30 years of royalties and infringment damages...  This figure would make the LFL v SDS (US) lawsuit look like peanuts...  AA could pay off the default US judgement (for piece of mind) with a few days interest on his winnings, and retire a VERY wealthy man...  All the while continuing to license the trooper likeness to LFL and anyone else that wanted to use it forever...

I'm not holding my breath.
:lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol

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Gee, you're finally getting it too.

Why do you think the court process has gone on this far and at tremendous expense for both sides? There must be something to it, no?

Think about it for a moment....instead of so confidently assuming AA has no rights. How stupid do you think he or his lawyers are?

:cheers,

T

 

[SithLord]

Originally posted by exoray+Jan 12 2006, 08:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(exoray @ Jan 12 2006, 08:12 PM)</div>

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@Jan 12 2006, 06:34 PM
The point is, LFL has zip to show that AA signed off rights.

Fact of Fiction?

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Well you seem to know everything on LFL's end...you tell me...

:cheers,

T

 

[Trallis]

wait a minute do we even know if the trial has begun and when it began, or if it has ended for that matter? I don't recall ever hearing specific dates or info concerning the trial itself. help me out

 

[SithLord]

Originally posted by gavidoc@Jan 12 2006, 11:03 PM

Supporters
1. Those who like the idea of a little guy sticking it to the man and the fortitude of his big brass ones.
2. Those who have obtained or have the possiblity of obtaining benefits from the source for supporting him.
3. Those who think: So what if he has recast a few pieces. His crap is rockin and he is the original maker.

I would add this one:

4. Those who find it irreprehensible that some here like to accuse others (regardless of who they are) without proof and with clear motive to bolster their own product runs.

I also find it amusing that many of you SDS detractors naturally assume that us supporters have something material to gain from supporting SDS.

I guess that's how the detractors run their own affairs...only if they have something to gain from them.

:cheers,

T

 

[SithLord]

Originally posted by Trallis@Jan 13 2006, 12:01 AM
wait a minute do we even know if the trial has begun and when it began, or if it has ended for that matter?  I don't recall ever hearing specific dates or info concerning the trial itself. help me out

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This is a civic case...there's no trial.

:cheers,

T

 

[exoray]

Originally posted by SithLord+Jan 12 2006, 10:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SithLord @ Jan 12 2006, 10:57 PM)</div>

Why do you think the court process has gone on this far and at tremendous expense for both sides? There must be something to it, no?[/b]

How far? To the extent of one single motion? It's hardly went far at all...

I would guess because AA was taking his chance on winning a change of venue, or will try another easy win, rather then just roll over, and take a default... This is the way trials like this are played out... You play all your easy cards, going for the easy loophole win...

Think about it for a moment....instead of so confidently assuming AA has no rights. How stupid do you think he or his lawyers are?

I am pretty confident that AA has little if any legal grounds to win, this case...

As for his lawyers being stupid, who said that, they are simply doing their job that's it, win or lose they still get paid...

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This is a civic case...there's no trial.

HUH? WHAT? There is indeed a Trial by Jury in this case...

wait a minute do we even know if the trial has begun and when it began, or if it has ended for that matter? I don't recall ever hearing specific dates or info concerning the trial itself. help me out

The trial (in the lose term of the case) has begun, it began 05/06/2005 and continues... The actual Jury trial part of the case won't be for a long time...

 

[Trallis]

thanks guys for the info

you can go back to debating now.

but seriously, i dont see this thread getting anywhere.
I was very serious about it towards the beginning because i had alot of points to get out, and felt that they were pretty cut and dry. The debate was fairly interesting for a few pages.

What it has diminished to now is only a few people going back and forth(not putting anyone down, you guys are making some good points) and there is really no new information to put forward at this time. maybe we should pick this thread up after our points are proven in court. Unfortunately, it will be too late by then for people now deciding to buy SDS products. However I feel that if someone now chooses to buy one there is enough information in this thread from both sides for them to make up their mind for themselves. It is unfortunate that the entire community cant come to an agreement on this, but hey if we all thought as one this would be a crappy forum.

I have to say if anyone plans on buying any SDS products, consider the facts in the current thread, and this one: http://www.rpf.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=98991


Do what you think is right.

P.S. Don't feel bad about buying unlicensed products...cause that money will be back in LFL's pocket in no time :thumbsup

 

[Lord Abaddon]

Originally posted by gavidoc+Jan 12 2006, 10:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gavidoc @ Jan 12 2006, 10:03 PM)</div>

Hey Mike,

No offense my man, but please, in the future, read, reread, and rereread a post before you decide to respond to it. Key words in Motorfish's post that you seem to have missed are (I put them in bold for you):

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@Jan 12 2006, 08:12 PM

Some people are thieves and liars, that's why. Some companies are evil and dishonest as well. Pure and simple.

the people who sued over copyright and won did so because they either had enough evidence claiming ownership/rights on said item, OR they already had an existing copyright on said item, which superceeded the later one.
I really doubt that LFL is out to screw SDS studios over. Why would they? Call it a hunch, but it just feels like it's the other way around, doesn't it?

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Kay?

You say Motorfish's responses have no merit because he doesn't like AA.

I've come to the following conclusion and can say that AA supporters/detractors (as some call them) can fall into the following categories.

Supporters
1. Those who like the idea of a little guy sticking it to the man and the fortitude of his big brass ones.
2. Those who have obtained or have the possiblity of obtaining benefits from the source for supporting him.
3. Those who think: So what if he has recast a few pieces. His crap is rockin and he is the original maker.

Detractors. :rolleyes
1. Those who don't like the idea of the little guy sticking it to the man.
2. Those who see their own ability to make ST items diminish with the success of the source.
3. Those who have bought his stuff and think it is worthless overpriced pieces of plastic.
4. Those who see that he's lied about the origins of his molds, has been caught having recast specific items, and don't like his ethics.


I'd say I'm in category #4 on the Detractors :rolleyes list.

Which of the supporter categories do you fall under?


On a side note. You abruptly shut off your side of our conversation earlier when a staff member tried to treat us like a couple of pre-schoolers. I saw nothing wrong with our conversation and if you didn't, would like to continue it.

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John,

Actually I did read Dan's posts...again and again...and each time he was making it pretty obvious that the implication was LFL was right, SDS was wrong, period. Which is why I responded as I did.

As for your lists, interesting, if mostly wrong. How about these?

Supporters:

1. Those who give benefit of the doubt to the little guy that he might actually be right.
2. Those who have actually talked to the man and found him to be decent, honest, and nice.
3. Those who think: There is not one shred of definitive proof to show he recast anything, just speculation, and actually in most cases more proof he didn't (such as the many differences on the inside of the GF and SDS ab plates).
4. Those that don't think they know absolutely everything about either the case, the small guy, the big guy, nor every aspect of ST production and don't pretend what they know are FACTS.
5. Those that don't call the detrators all sorts of lovely, sophmoric, reform school names, throw little tirades, and generally act like spoiled children caught stealing candy they think is theirs.

Detractors
1. Those who don't like the idea the man might get pissed at all copyright offenders and clamp down thereby shutting down their businesses.
2. Those who see their own ability to make ST items diminish with the success of the source because finally someone who actually deserves to make money off his own ideas is.
3. Those who have bought his stuff and found it actually is better than theirs and more accurate and hate him for it because they couldn't get in on it.
4. Those who have themselves recast, copied, modified, or defended others but won't in this case because there is direct competition.
5. Those who fanatically defended other makers of props when accused of the very same actions that SDS is being accused of and are now attacking SDS with the exact same fanaticism (ie: hypocrites).
6. Those who don't own an SDS prop, never will own an SDS prop, never even tried to communicate with AA, never planned to own an SDS prop, but just want to stir up s**t because they enjoy it.

As for our previous diversion from this conversation, clearly your time of leave from the RPF resulted in great memory lapses and it would be momumental task to remind you of all the things you have apparently forgotten, especially regarding the PK/D.

 

[Darbycrash]

Wow I would like to comment on that list especially number

Supporters:


Those who have actually talked to the man and found him to be decent, honest, and nice.

Or those that talked to that man and got a helmet below retail. Which makes me question their motives for support.


Detractors
1. Those who don't like the idea the man might get pissed at all copyright offenders and clamp down thereby shutting down their businesses.

No more like professional contractors that don't want to see some guy make their work harder thanks to violating the spirit of the work that was hired for.

2. Those who see their own ability to make ST items diminish with the success of the source because finally someone who actually deserves to make money off his own ideas is.

Lol I don't make anything off ST stuff and I just don't like the ethics of the business model.


3. Those who have bought his stuff and found it actually is better than theirs and more accurate and hate him for it because they couldn't get in on it.

And how about those that can see the signature through the helmet. Or bought it under the misleading ad copy.

4. Those who have themselves recast, copied, modified, or defended others but won't in this case because there is direct competition.

Once again not included in that bunch

5. Those who fanatically defended other makers of props when accused of the very same actions that SDS is being accused of and are now attacking SDS with the exact same fanaticism (ie: hypocrites).

Can't say I am in that category either

6. Those who don't own an SDS prop, never will own an SDS prop, never even tried to communicate with AA, never planned to own an SDS prop, but just want to stir up s**t because they enjoy it.


Or how about those of us that was going to buy an SDS and got soured by the poor business practices

 

[Trallis]

i like the "couldn't get in on it" part. are you "in on it"? is being "in on it" desirable?
regardless of what you say to this, i'd like you AND the people on both sides of this argument to try to stop trying to pin motives on everyone else.

lets get real here. there are no motives behind it. we didnt go looking to prove he was a recaster because we had a preconceived dislike for the man. maybe he is a nice guy. but he is a liar and continues to lie in order to get peoples money. i dont care how great the product is. If I pay for a lamborghini, and get a ferarri, the ferarris still good but it aint what i asked for. in this case, the product you are getting is far inferior to what he claims, because it lacks the whole "original molds" thing.

 

[motorfish]

Originally posted by Trallis@Jan 13 2006, 07:02 AM
i like the "couldn't get in on it" part.  are you "in on it"?  is being "in on it" desirable?
regardless of what you say to this, i'd like you AND the people on both sides of this argument to try to stop trying to pin motives on everyone else.

lets get real here.  there are no motives behind it.  we didnt go looking to prove he was a recaster because we had a preconceived dislike for the man.  maybe he is a nice guy.  but he is a liar and continues to lie in order to get peoples money.  i dont care how great the product is.  If I pay for a lamborghini, and get a ferarri, the ferarris still good but it aint what i asked for.  in this case, the product you are getting is far inferior to what he claims, because it lacks the whole "original molds" thing.

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Actually, a better analogy would be "Pay for a Lamborghini and get a Fiero." That ACTUALLY happend to someone once I heard. ^_^

 

[voice in the crowd]

This debate has went round in circles for ages.

The thread topic is - AA / SDS recasting issue... What is our position?

Obviously the pro AA camp believe he has done nothing wrong so their answer is going to be do nothing, business as usual.

I posted in post 50 what my opinion was and I also stated that anything done here would have little or no effect on SDS in any way shape or form.

I am just wondering what the anti-AA camp suggest our position should be and what should be done? This isn't a dig at any side of the divide but some clarity would be nice.

Just interested as nobody seems to have set out clearly what they think should be done. If somebody has an idea as to what they think should be done can they also explain what difference it will make to AA/SDS.

Possibly we can set out clearly what our position is (the question posed) without another 300 posts

Cheers Chris.

 

[TK765]

Originally posted by Lord Abaddon@Jan 13 2006, 05:55 AM


Detractors
1. Those who don't like the idea the man might get pissed at all copyright offenders and clamp down thereby shutting down their businesses.
2. Those who see their own ability to make ST items diminish with the success of the source because finally someone who actually deserves to make money off his own ideas is.
3. Those who have bought his stuff and found it actually is better than theirs and more accurate and hate him for it because they couldn't get in on it.
4. Those who have themselves recast, copied, modified, or defended others but won't in this case because there is direct competition.
5.  Those who fanatically defended other makers of props when accused of the very same actions that SDS is being accused of and are now attacking SDS with the exact same fanaticism (ie: hypocrites).
6.  Those who don't own an SDS prop, never will own an SDS prop, never even tried to communicate with AA, never planned to own an SDS prop, but just want to stir up s**t because they enjoy it.

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Looks like you missed one......

7. Those that bought into the hype and fraudulent description, paid their $850, for a substandard, fragile, see-through, easily cracked, vac-formed piece of plastic that when they started showing up was obvious to those that have studied every trooper picture to death and have experience with the process, realized it had so many differences from a screen used helmet that it couldn't be from the original molds. Unfortunately the supposed "nice guy" would not refund the helmets because it had been "too long". Those that will do everything they can to help others not make the same mistake and know exactly what they are buying.

 

[Lord Abaddon]

Originally posted by voice in the crowd@Jan 13 2006, 04:07 AM
This debate has went round in circles for ages.

The thread topic is - AA / SDS recasting issue...  What is our position?

Obviously the pro AA camp believe he has done nothing wrong so their answer is going to be do nothing, business as usual.

I posted in post 50 what my opinion was and I also stated that anything done here would have little or no effect on SDS in any way shape or form.

I am just wondering what the anti-AA camp suggest our position should be and what should be done? This isn't a dig at any side of the divide but some clarity would be nice.

Just interested as nobody seems to have set out clearly what they think should be done. If somebody has an idea as to what they think should be done can they also explain what difference it will make to AA/SDS.

Possibly we can set out clearly what our position is (the question posed) without another 300 posts

Cheers Chris.

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Actually Trallis I think you have it wrong about the "pro-AA" camp. It's not that we believe he did nothing wrong, it's that we have not yet seen convincing enough proof that he has and aren't willing to just say straight out "He is WRONG period" until we have. Where as the other side, from the beginning, has said he was wrong, period, end of discussion. At this point I just go back to what was said somewhere way back in this long merry-go-round...if you like it and feel things things are okay, buy it, if you don't or are suspicious something is wrong, then don't. It's all up to the buyer and brother there is more information about SDS than I think any other maker of any prop, action figure, poster, card, plates, model or anything else in history right now...

 

[Lord Abaddon]

Originally posted by Darbycrash@Jan 13 2006, 01:46 AM
Wow I would like to comment on that list especially number

Supporters:

Those who have actually talked to the man and found him to be decent, honest,        and nice.

Or those that talked to that man and got a helmet below retail. Which makes me question their motives for support.


Detractors
1. Those who don't like the idea the man might get pissed at all copyright offenders and clamp down thereby shutting down their businesses.

No more like professional contractors that don't want to see some guy make their work harder thanks to violating the spirit of the work that was hired for.

2. Those who see their own ability to make ST items diminish with the success of the source because finally someone who actually deserves to make money off his own ideas is.

Lol I don't make anything off ST stuff and I just don't like the ethics of the business model.


3. Those who have bought his stuff and found it actually is better than theirs and more accurate and hate him for it because they couldn't get in on it.

And how about those that can see the signature through the helmet. Or bought it under the misleading ad copy.

4. Those who have themselves recast, copied, modified, or defended others but won't in this case because there is direct competition.

Once again not included in that bunch

5. Those who fanatically defended other makers of props when accused of the very same actions that SDS is being accused of and are now attacking SDS with the exact same fanaticism (ie: hypocrites).

Can't say I am in that category either

6. Those who don't own an SDS prop, never will own an SDS prop, never even tried to communicate with AA, never planned to own an SDS prop, but just want to stir up s**t because they enjoy it.


Or how about those of us that was going to buy an SDS and got soured by the poor business practices

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:lol God it's so easy to get you guys all into some X-Files conspiracy tizzy with one small statement. Just goes to show what the motivation and drive behind the anti-SDS group always revolves around...money, payoffs and cutting deals. And how fast "judgement" is passed without knowing a thing about what has transpired, for how much, when it happened, etc. No wonder they are so convinced that AA is a thief, liar, and crook. They know everything about everybody.

The rest isn't worth getting into because I said my position and beliefs on all of them before. The merry-go-round is getting dizzy.

 

[voice in the crowd]

Originally posted by Lord Abaddon+Jan 13 2006, 12:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lord Abaddon @ Jan 13 2006, 12:07 PM)</div>

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@Jan 13 2006, 04:07 AM
This debate has went round in circles for ages.

The thread topic is - AA / SDS recasting issue...  What is our position?

Obviously the pro AA camp believe he has done nothing wrong so their answer is going to be do nothing, business as usual.

I posted in post 50 what my opinion was and I also stated that anything done here would have little or no effect on SDS in any way shape or form.

I am just wondering what the anti-AA camp suggest our position should be and what should be done? This isn't a dig at any side of the divide but some clarity would be nice.

Just interested as nobody seems to have set out clearly what they think should be done. If somebody has an idea as to what they think should be done can they also explain what difference it will make to AA/SDS.

Possibly we can set out clearly what our position is (the question posed) without another 300 posts

Cheers Chris.

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Actually Trallis I think you have it wrong about the "pro-AA" camp. It's not that we believe he did nothing wrong, it's that we have not yet seen convincing enough proof that he has and aren't willing to just say straight out "He is WRONG period" until we have. Where as the other side, from the beginning, has said he was wrong, period, end of discussion. At this point I just go back to what was said somewhere way back in this long merry-go-round...if you like it and feel things things are okay, buy it, if you don't or are suspicious something is wrong, then don't. It's all up to the buyer and brother there is more information about SDS than I think any other maker of any prop, action figure, poster, card, plates, model or anything else in history right now...

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Hi Lord A,

Judging by your last post you thought it was Trallis who posted the comments you have replied to.

My questions are aimed towards the anti-AA camp of which you are obviously not a member.

The point is the anti-AA camp have made up their minds as have the pro-AA. This has been shown on many threads where both sides have battled away not willing to give an inch.

So the anti-AA guys are calling recaster and I am simply asking if recasting is proven what course of action will they want taken. I cannot see one that will have any effect on AA/SDS.


It's a simple question it doesn't take 300 posts. What should be done?

Cheers Chris.

 

[Lord Abaddon]

Originally posted by voice in the crowd+Jan 13 2006, 08:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(voice in the crowd @ Jan 13 2006, 08:01 AM)</div>

Originally posted by Lord Abaddon@Jan 13 2006, 12:07 PM
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@Jan 13 2006, 04:07 AM
This debate has went round in circles for ages.

The thread topic is - AA / SDS recasting issue...  What is our position?

Obviously the pro AA camp believe he has done nothing wrong so their answer is going to be do nothing, business as usual.

I posted in post 50 what my opinion was and I also stated that anything done here would have little or no effect on SDS in any way shape or form.

I am just wondering what the anti-AA camp suggest our position should be and what should be done? This isn't a dig at any side of the divide but some clarity would be nice.

Just interested as nobody seems to have set out clearly what they think should be done. If somebody has an idea as to what they think should be done can they also explain what difference it will make to AA/SDS.

Possibly we can set out clearly what our position is (the question posed) without another 300 posts

Cheers Chris.

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Actually Trallis I think you have it wrong about the "pro-AA" camp. It's not that we believe he did nothing wrong, it's that we have not yet seen convincing enough proof that he has and aren't willing to just say straight out "He is WRONG period" until we have. Where as the other side, from the beginning, has said he was wrong, period, end of discussion. At this point I just go back to what was said somewhere way back in this long merry-go-round...if you like it and feel things things are okay, buy it, if you don't or are suspicious something is wrong, then don't. It's all up to the buyer and brother there is more information about SDS than I think any other maker of any prop, action figure, poster, card, plates, model or anything else in history right now...

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Hi Lord A,

Judging by your last post you thought it was Trallis who posted the comments you have replied to.

My questions are aimed towards the anti-AA camp of which you are obviously not a member.

The point is the anti-AA camp have made up their minds as have the pro-AA. This has been shown on many threads where both sides have battled away not willing to give an inch.

So the anti-AA guys are calling recaster and I am simply asking if recasting is proven what course of action will they want taken. I cannot see one that will have any effect on AA/SDS.


It's a simple question it doesn't take 300 posts. What should be done?

Cheers Chris.

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Sorry about that Chris. That's what happens when I first check threads right after waking up.

I hope you get some answer to your question, but I agree with you...I don't see anything that happens here affecting AA anymore than most things have for any recaster, company, etc. that makes these things. Sure, possibly a few lost sales, but in the scheme of things not a whole hell of a lot when compared to eBay, Amazon, Yahoo, and other selling areas which abound on the Internet.

 

[vaderdarth]

Gavidoc, your view of the Supporters...........just plain sucks... People like you who are so cut off from anyone else's viewpoint can't see even a glimmer of another opinion. Don't worry you are in good company.

1. I never said or felt that I wanted AA to stick it to anyone.(Unless it's proven has the rights he truly believes he does). And I do think he believes it with every fiber of his being(my personal opinion).

2. I have never even been offered a discount or a kickback for my support of the poor guy. I didn't ask for one.......I won't get one.......I may not ever get his great offerings for that matter. $$ always comes up short when I try to buy it somehow.

3. Though I do believe he is the original maker and possibly the grandfathered owner of all the recasts to follow (If the courts agree), I don't in any capacity think his items are of lesser value than any other ST items on the market. Actually for an ANH costume..........his stuff seems to beat the living hell out of anything I've seen to date (again my opinion).

Gav, you and I have agreed on some issues in the past, and disagreed on others, but your blanket statements about all supporters and all detractors leaves me with a feeling of nausea. A handful of your detractor buddies, (in my opinion), are of poor character and have little or no ethics within them. I'm quite suprised and disappointed that you, of all people, don't see ANYTHING negative about those you have thrown in with.