A Darth Vader Collection and Lineage Thread....
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vaderdarth
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Thomas, in that last comparison you posted, the little indent detail just below and to the left of the one you are highlighting is also pretty dead on to the ANH original. Excellent info man.
Dave
Thomas, in that last comparison you posted, the little indent detail just below and to the left of the one you are highlighting is also pretty dead on to the ANH original. Excellent info man.
Dave
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Thomas, just wanting to make sure I am following this and understanding the lines now... based on what you have posted, there are 4 lineages or molds that came from the ANH helmet. Is that correct?
Thomas, just wanting to make sure I am following this and understanding the lines now... based on what you have posted, there are 4 lineages or molds that came from the ANH helmet. Is that correct?
Too Much Garlic
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No, sorry. The TD links to the UK mold. It has details on it that cannot warrant any other conclusions. Details that are seen on casts from that particular mold lineage. Putting it on its own branch is just flat out wrong and you've been shown that numerous times that it links to the UK mold casts.
No, sorry. The TD links to the UK mold. It has details on it that cannot warrant any other conclusions. Details that are seen on casts from that particular mold lineage. Putting it on its own branch is just flat out wrong and you've been shown that numerous times that it links to the UK mold casts.
vader71
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How do the ESB Original and ROTJ Originals get defined?
There are reveal helmets, hero & stunts.
Are we assuming this list is a hero only list?
I would like to see things like the Paul Allen Stunt added as it clearly should be on this tree as well as some other original/authentic castings. I would think building a tree from authentic castings would be the base that you add second generation copies and so on.
How do the ESB Original and ROTJ Originals get defined?
There are reveal helmets, hero & stunts.
Are we assuming this list is a hero only list?
I would like to see things like the Paul Allen Stunt added as it clearly should be on this tree as well as some other original/authentic castings. I would think building a tree from authentic castings would be the base that you add second generation copies and so on.
Qui-Gonzalez
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Silly question about the SPFX descending from the 20th Century. Wasn't the 20th Century faceplate a bit smaller than the newer SPFX pieces?
Silly question about the SPFX descending from the 20th Century. Wasn't the 20th Century faceplate a bit smaller than the newer SPFX pieces?
RBJ
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..that was my thinking in wanting to add the Eller re-paint into the tree as well..
..that was my thinking in wanting to add the Eller re-paint into the tree as well..
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Thomas, my opinion is that the GH/Fiberdyne line of ANH Vader helmet derivates is based on a mold which was taken off an altered/modified ANH casting. We are all aware of the substantial differences between the original screen used ANH/SL/TD Vader faceplates compared to the Gh/Fiberdyne helmets, which are not only the results of various casting processes.
Thomas, my opinion is that the GH/Fiberdyne line of ANH Vader helmet derivates is based on a mold which was taken off an altered/modified ANH casting. We are all aware of the substantial differences between the original screen used ANH/SL/TD Vader faceplates compared to the Gh/Fiberdyne helmets, which are not only the results of various casting processes.
Too Much Garlic
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That's gonna add a ****load of original/production casts that are not clear whether molds and casts were actually made from those... so why really add them? Though, I have my own theories... about the repaint... but nothing is really confirmed... so adding these things... seems highly... well... unsubstantiated. We should only add what we know with some certainty.
vaderdarth
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It's certainly true that SPFX pieces are all over the place in terms of size when compared to helmets they came from. That guy intentionally changed dimensions of several pieces he was recasting in order to hide the evidence, so don't go by size on the SPFX pieces. He even admitted to doing so to the guy that caught him recasting his stuff.
Dave
It's certainly true that SPFX pieces are all over the place in terms of size when compared to helmets they came from. That guy intentionally changed dimensions of several pieces he was recasting in order to hide the evidence, so don't go by size on the SPFX pieces. He even admitted to doing so to the guy that caught him recasting his stuff.
Dave
Qui-Gonzalez
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Changing the overall size of a faceplate seems like it would be hard to do. I mean, the dome would seem easy, but the face? Not saying it isn't true, Dave. I am just saying it seems very difficult. The tells he kept adding to his pieces are easy to do in comparison, no?
Wasn't it also rumored that Phil got his hands on a VP and that that is where his newer pieces descend from?
Changing the overall size of a faceplate seems like it would be hard to do. I mean, the dome would seem easy, but the face? Not saying it isn't true, Dave. I am just saying it seems very difficult. The tells he kept adding to his pieces are easy to do in comparison, no?
Wasn't it also rumored that Phil got his hands on a VP and that that is where his newer pieces descend from?
Too Much Garlic
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Some discussion linked it to the GH RotJ.
Some discussion linked it to the GH RotJ.
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Well I could have a single master mold from which the TD is one branch and the other masks another branch, but I see problems with that based on a few considerations which I hope you and I can sort through.
Well I could have a single master mold from which the TD is one branch and the other masks another branch, but I see problems with that based on a few considerations which I hope you and I can sort through.
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Well, I show the hero helmets as examples from the movies only. They are representatives of the family derived from a mold. So the photos of each hero helmet would represent the hero, stunt and reveal. After all, this is not really a lineage of the originals. The Paul Allen I suppose could go on since it is in private hands, but this is more intended for castings from originals and their decendents. But then I would also have to add things like that ROTJ dome in private hands, and tour helmets in private hands, that supposed original ANH mask that was up for auction, etc. I could do that I suppose.
Well, I show the hero helmets as examples from the movies only. They are representatives of the family derived from a mold. So the photos of each hero helmet would represent the hero, stunt and reveal. After all, this is not really a lineage of the originals. The Paul Allen I suppose could go on since it is in private hands, but this is more intended for castings from originals and their decendents. But then I would also have to add things like that ROTJ dome in private hands, and tour helmets in private hands, that supposed original ANH mask that was up for auction, etc. I could do that I suppose.
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Right. They molded the original ANH at DP studios, got a casting out of that mold, would then have to have modified it, and then molded it again. The mold I put leading to the GH/Fyberdyne family wasn't meant to be directly from the original ANH, even though that was the source. So what I could do is put a line, mold, then another line going to the mold leading to the GH/Fyberdyne family indicating that additional generation. It is sort of like with the 20th Century, we don't know exactly the generation of it although it could be just one generation down from the original ESB or it could be two generations if a copy of an ESB (a promotional ESB for example) was used instead of an original.
Right. They molded the original ANH at DP studios, got a casting out of that mold, would then have to have modified it, and then molded it again. The mold I put leading to the GH/Fyberdyne family wasn't meant to be directly from the original ANH, even though that was the source. So what I could do is put a line, mold, then another line going to the mold leading to the GH/Fyberdyne family indicating that additional generation. It is sort of like with the 20th Century, we don't know exactly the generation of it although it could be just one generation down from the original ESB or it could be two generations if a copy of an ESB (a promotional ESB for example) was used instead of an original.
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Reportedly during the pickups of ANH. Whatever those dates were.
Reportedly during the pickups of ANH. Whatever those dates were.
propologist
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so.....that is impressive , So who has the most helmets known as in a collection ?
so.....that is impressive , So who has the most helmets known as in a collection ?
CSMacLaren
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That's actually a good idea. Since the chart's icon positions imply which castings came earlier and which came later, the re-paint does mark an important part of the ANH prop's history. One cannot assume that just because it's "cast off original" it must mean it was most certainly cast right at the end of production.
That's actually a good idea. Since the chart's icon positions imply which castings came earlier and which came later, the re-paint does mark an important part of the ANH prop's history. One cannot assume that just because it's "cast off original" it must mean it was most certainly cast right at the end of production.
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