What story is that? The film tells us (through Leia) that while what Poe did may have resulted in a short-term tactical victory, in the long run, he needlessly lost lives (and was not thinking like a leader should).
I guess I don't see how this would have made Holdo a "better" character.
We have a story arc for Poe that he needs to learn to be the leader. And at the end of that arc Holdo turns out to be the leader to show example. Now Holdo has just took the reins after a big defeat, the actual leader of the Resistance is between life and death, troops decimated, they’re being chased. I think it’s a really obvious thing to ask in this situation from the new leader what the plan is. And the leader who is supposed to be the example figure just says a commonplace saying from one of those Facebook daily wisdom pages and that’s it whereas they actually do have a plan. Does that not sound contradictory to the message of the story about leadership? The frustrating thing is that with just a tiny effort in screenwriting this could have been avoided, like she does tell and Poe says “it’s b*llocks, I have to figure something out myself”. Bang, there’s your story arc.
Likewise, whether or not one agrees with the creative decision to have Luke force-project himself onto Crait, the fact that he does it, actually solidifies the fact that Luke has re-connected to the force and is still one of its most powerful wielders. Kylo says to Rey: "you can't be doing this, the effort would kill you." Luke one-ups Kylo on what he (Kylo) thinks are the limits of force abilities. That's why Kylo doesn't realize Luke isn't there...he can't even comprehend Luke having the ability to do that in the first place.
And then he just dies.
-Luke trolling Kylo through the Force. THIS was THE moment of the movie for me. I love how Luke goes out there to fight Kylo. Everything about this scene is great. The music, the dialogue, the visuals. I love it. I've even been considering putting "See ya around, kid." in my signature. It's such a great way for Luke to go. Not through some climactic duel, but through a great feat of the Force. Really puts Yoda's "Wars do not make one great." line into action.
Yup, that was cool. And then he just died.
I had to be honest and say it didn't work for me, and he said I was letting nitpicking get in the way of enjoying the film. Sorry, but I am nitpicking because the writing is so bad it doesn't allow me to get invested in what's happenning.
Yea, this seems to be the standard response from people who liked it. You’re a “hater” (love that word, instantly antagonizing whoever doesn’t like what you do), “nitpicker”, “not a true fan”. I mean gee, I get it you liked it, fine, I didn’t, I can tell you why but iif you don’t want to discuss it, that’s fine too. I remember it was very similar to Phantom Menace, lots of people trying to rationalize it and make sense out of it, lots of people vehemently defending it...as long as the discussion is civil and productive it’s fine but there’s a bloody war it seems.
Anyone remember the David Lynch version of Dune? The theatrical version has Princess Irulan telling you for 2 minutes about the state of affairs. The "Alan Smithee" version has a 5-minute animated intro that discusses how humanity got to this point.
Oh god yes, those ****ty watercolour paintings while a dead boring narrator tells you exposition...I’ll take Irulan with Toto’s score any day but agreed, it’s a bit problematic to deliver exposition in these kinds of movies.
Personally, I think it should've been handled better by JJ in the first film. Hell, the opening crawl could've done it, or Han could've taken an additional 2 minutes to address it. E.G., Han says "Snoke managed to corrupt one of Luke's students, who slaughtered anyone who wouldn't join him, and then went rogue." Rey or Finn responds "But how could anyone sway a pupil of Luke Skywalker?!" Then Han explains "After the fall of the Emperor and Vader, we thought the Dark Side was defeated forever. We were wrong. The Emperor saw to that. He had disciples we never knew about across the galaxy. Some gave up, others were killed in the years leading up to the armistice. But one, Snoke, fled to the unknown regions with the rest of the Imperial diehards. We don't know how, but he managed to take control and build up the First Order into what it is now. Without Luke...I don't know how we can beat him."
Cut the Rathtar sequence and you've got the time you need.
Agreed fully. I don’t think something like this couldn’t have been done in TLJ. For the record, I’m fine with no backstory for Snoke, but this would have taken 3 minutes in TLJ too.
Just asking, so don't be a passive aggressive ***** in response, but the timeless moments that have been mentioned from the OT have had 30+ years to prove themselves as such. How can things less than a month old be judged in the same way?
That’s a very fair point, I agree. However TFA is not that old and Han’s death and the duel at the end when Rey pulls the saber then later tunes into the force and overpowers Ren gives me chills every time I see it. So does the very end with Luke no matter how that played out in the next film. We all need to remember that the unforgetable classic moments don’t exist in a vacuum. They have a build up, their importance in the story and their execution all play a part in why they became classic moments. That’s why “I know” was very different to the “I know” in ROTJ.
