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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 9:51 AM - 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #1

    Ok, well we'll try it this way. First thing...I have zero problem with anyone else building this kit or anything similar, posting what they are doing with it, in fact I welcome it. I want to see what others are doing. I know what I'm doing because I'm doing it, but I want to share and perhaps give others ideas, but more importantly, I'm interested in what others are doing that I haven't thought of.

    I started this Russian Z ISD about a month ago so I'll put up some past pics and try to work my way up to the present. Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	774857I'm using .25mm FO for this thinking I could do twice as much lighting and figured it would be more to scale than .50mm. I've drilled a lot of holes, nearly 800 I estimate. I installed the upgrade hangar bay from Falcon3D and also have their engine bells. I'm using Citadel white primer for the primary paint and a light spritz of water based black/gray wash, didn't want it too dark and have the panel lines jumping out at me.Click image for larger version. 

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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 9:57 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #2

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ID:	774865there are 36 FO in the command tower, and 100 in the face panel.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 10:04 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #3

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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 10:24 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #4

    here is as of last night, the lower hull is essentially done except for the engine panel which I've realized I was out of blue LED's. I tried the flicker blues and have decided against it. So I'll start on the upper next. The tower is ready to go but that will be installed later. I estimate I've got nearly 400 or so FO in the lower hull. I'm satisfied with the results. I also acquired a squadron of 30 tie fighters, a couple of shuttles and what was supposed to be 3 variants of the Slave 1, but there was 4, 3 are in flight and one landed. of course one of those will go in the garbage chute, also a Falcon3D piece, the afore mentioned items are Shapeways. I had intended on using the landed shuttle in the secondary hangar, inside the larger one, but the wings are too tall so I'll have to figure something out. I plan to leave rows of the Ties on the upper sprue rail and hang some on the larger hanger. The tiny Falcon in the above post is also a Shapeways piece.Click image for larger version. 

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    sorry for the "post after post" here, I'm playing catch up...
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 10:48 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #5

    I've been following your build, and its incredible! What kind of drill bits are you using? I have tried a few different types of .35mm bits and have broken about 15 of them at this point (some are even stuck in my model...)
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 11:24 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #6

    I'm not sure of the brand but I can find out as I'm going to my hobby shop today for some stuff. They were in a small metal drill index box I got at the shop. pretty sure the one I'm using currently is the .35', the set came with like 3 each of the smallest ones. I was using a pin vise stuck in the end of my Makita cordless...got a little heavy and I broke a bit about the 10th hole. then I figured out the right speed. I've since bought a Tamiya hobby drill, the ones you have to assemble...but I bought the tan one as it drills at a faster speed than the common blue one. I tested the blue one at the model show where I got the tan one, too slow. the collet was too small, but I bought a Dremmel collet set at home depot that has a zero space collet when fully closed. been working great and haven't broken anymore bits since that one. just lucky I'd guess. I'm sure my guy has replenished his stock since I got the bit set, so I'll see what brand they were...I dumped all mine in a small plastic tube and tossed the little metal box they came in
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    I've been following your build, and its incredible! What kind of drill bits are you using? I have tried a few different types of .35mm bits and have broken about 15 of them at this point (some are even stuck in my model...)
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    by the way, thanks for the comps, this is by far the biggest lighting project I've done so far. Do share pics of yours, I love seeing other folks stuff too!
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 11:34 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #7

    Nice work so far.

    I'll give you the same feedback as I have given others: You might consider using warm white leds for the windows, as it better reproduces the incandescent lights of the 70s and 80s. I do like the lighting that you have given the hanger bays. Is it the exposure that is making it look so bright in the distance shots? It looks great in the close-ups.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 11:34 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #8

    I guess I should also mention, I'm cutting 12" sections of the FO, and blooming the ends with the soldering iron, string a cluster in place, then secure with Laser Bond...as seen on TV. Some of the tiny areas looked to be prohibitive of the other method of leaving them sticking out, paint, then cut. Harder doing it the way I am, but I'm ok with it.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 11:35 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #9

    Thanks for the info! I have the blue Tamiya drill, may need to look at getting the tan one. I also have that Dremel collet that makes things so much easier

    Haven't started on my SD yet, I'm actually working on the Revell Venator kit from a few years back. The SD is next on my list though!
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 11:38 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #10

    Thanks! I know you're probably right on the warm white...I just have so many of the bright ones to use up. I considered adding a resistor to drag down the brightness. But you're right about the exposure, I have an Iphone S, same size as a 5, camera isn't that great. but looking at it in person, and not a photo, it's not as bright as the pics.
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    Nice work so far.

    I'll give you the same feedback as I have given others: You might consider using warm white leds for the windows, as it better reproduces the incandescent lights of the 70s and 80s. I do like the lighting that you have given the hanger bays. Is it the exposure that is making it look so bright in the distance shots? It looks great in the close-ups.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 11:39 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #11

    Looking good.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 11:42 AM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #12

    Hey man! Thanks! Great to hear from you, have things gotten back to normal/semi normal,over there?
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 12:10 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #13

    Great build!!

    Since you are mushrooming the FO ends did you paint it already?

    I just started my own and have drilled out all the holes and frankly don't want to cut all the FO ends off especially in the crevices where it will be very hard to get a nice flush cut. I test fitted the ship and lit the interior up with a flashlight shinning through from the back and light shines through all the holes very evenly. I spent a lot of time drilling and cleaning out each hole so no leftover debris in the holes block any light. I may just lay warm white strips inside the interior and fill the holes with micro-crystal clear and doing some FO for any holes that will shine red.

    I was thinking about mushrooming the FO but then how do you cover them up to paint unless you paint before and assemble later. You still would have the seams to fix and light block

    gt350pony66 said: View Post
    I guess I should also mention, I'm cutting 12" sections of the FO, and blooming the ends with the soldering iron, string a cluster in place, then secure with Laser Bond...as seen on TV. Some of the tiny areas looked to be prohibitive of the other method of leaving them sticking out, paint, then cut. Harder doing it the way I am, but I'm ok with it.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 12:31 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #14

    gt350pony66 said: View Post
    Hey man! Thanks! Great to hear from you, have things gotten back to normal/semi normal,over there?
    Not quite normal yet.....not even semi normal but trying to.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 12:46 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #15

    Its coming along nicely


    I'l echo the sentiment of using warm white for the windows and hangar etc.

    Also I would stay away from blues for the engine. Cool whites would be better

    I picked up some cool white flickering LEDs from here for my build
    https://www.modeltrainsoftware.com/flickering-led.html
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 12:50 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #16

    Thank you my friend, most kind...yeah, I semi assembled, then drilled, then painted, then washed...then strung the FO. lots of work yes, but it's turning out ok so far and I'd hate for a build to go by too fast. I've got a few reds in mine as well, just a few strategic places that will flash to liven it up, around the hangar, a couple in the trenches and the sides of the tower...hazard lighting for shuttles and tie fighters buzzing around.

    That's what I thought too, a guy would have to have some tiny tip surgical scissors to get into some of those tight areas. then you risk scratching the finish with the scissors...or at least I would I've never tried the way you're talking about, that sounds interesting. I think I'd read that where you posted it on another thread as well. I may well have to try that on a future project. I'd like to see some pics of that if you'd care to post some. Way back in the day, I used thin styrene sheet over holes, then placed enough lighting so it was even. talk about ancient methods...middle 80's and early 90's. I did a Titanic that way, and it turned out well. I've just started lighting again in the last year or so and it's the first time I'd ever used FO or LED. back in the old days I was using cut down X-mas light strands and you had to be careful not to melt anything with 'em!
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    Great build!!

    Since you are mushrooming the FO ends did you paint it already?

    I just started my own and have drilled out all the holes and frankly don't want to cut all the FO ends off especially in the crevices where it will be very hard to get a nice flush cut. I test fitted the ship and lit the interior up with a flashlight shinning through from the back and light shines through all the holes very evenly. I spent a lot of time drilling and cleaning out each hole so no leftover debris in the holes block any light. I may just lay warm white strips inside the interior and fill the holes with micro-crystal clear and doing some FO for any holes that will shine red.

    I was thinking about mushrooming the FO but then how do you cover them up to paint unless you paint before and assemble later. You still would have the seams to fix and light block
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 12:54 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #17

    Well I hope it doesn't take too long for you, I for one am glad you were able to endure through it, my friend
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    Not quite normal yet.....not even semi normal but trying to.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 12:59 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #18

    Thanks!
    I suppose it isn't too late to change it...I'll think on that one. You know for my engines, last night I tried my sand the white LED rough, and colored it with blue sharpie...but I didn't think it was blue enough...perhaps I've already got something sufficient? it had an ever so slight blue hue to it. I think I'll wire those up tonight, stick 'em and see what it looks like. then post a pic for you guys to consider the results.
    blakeh1 said: View Post
    Its coming along nicely


    I'l echo the sentiment of using warm white for the windows and hangar etc.

    Also I would stay away from blues for the engine. Cool whites would be better

    I picked up some cool white flickering LEDs from here for my build
    https://www.modeltrainsoftware.com/flickering-led.html
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 2:11 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #19

    I ran over there at lunch, he didn't have any in stock but said it was these, Excel, like the other hobby tools...seems like they were 10-15 bucks but like I said, I've only broke the one...hang on...gotta log off and back on, it won't load the pic
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    Thanks for the info! I have the blue Tamiya drill, may need to look at getting the tan one. I also have that Dremel collet that makes things so much easier

    Haven't started on my SD yet, I'm actually working on the Revell Venator kit from a few years back. The SD is next on my list though!
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 2:21 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #20

    gt350pony66 said: View Post
    Thanks!
    I suppose it isn't too late to change it...I'll think on that one. You know for my engines, last night I tried my sand the white LED rough, and colored it with blue sharpie...but I didn't think it was blue enough...perhaps I've already got something sufficient? it had an ever so slight blue hue to it. I think I'll wire those up tonight, stick 'em and see what it looks like. then post a pic for you guys to consider the results.

    Its funny how when I made mine blue a crop of Star Wars experts started the argument that the engines were never blue in ANY of the movies. Well this is a screen shot from Rogue One:

    20170430_002437 by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

    20170430_002421 by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

    Whada u know? Look....they look blue in some of the shots. Do them either blue or warm, but choose what ever YOU like. In my case blue looked less boring and they happen to be screen correct.
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 2:24 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #21

    gt350pony66 said: View Post
    I ran over there at lunch, he didn't have any in stock but said it was these, Excel, like the other hobby tools...seems like they were 10-15 bucks but like I said, I've only broke the one...hang on...gotta log off and back on, it won't load the pic

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    Thank you very much! Hopefully I'll have better luck with these
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 3:31 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #22

    they've worked great for me so far, seem to be quite flexible, there was a couple of times when I thought for sure I'd snapped one, but it pulled back out intact
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    Thank you very much! Hopefully I'll have better luck with these
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 3:51 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #23

    Well my friend, I'm glad both you guys chimed in on this, I thought I'd seen them in blue, and perhaps the white as well... I'd have to watch another movie or two again. I'm starting to think they're blue-ish at sub-light speed, and then go white-er when they power up for light speed? Or you know what else I considered...what about the 4 smaller ones be constant, and the 3 big ones flicker...or vise-versa? I'm thinking the constant ones I colored blue that have the slight blue hue to them come into play somewhere?...or am I getting too far into the weeds?
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    Its funny how when I made mine blue a crop of Star Wars experts started the argument that the engines were never blue in ANY of the movies. Well this is a screen shot from Rogue One:

    https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2902/...6a3e1a0d_z.jpg20170430_002437 by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

    https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2947/...ca4c3022_z.jpg20170430_002421 by Oscar Baez Soria, on Flickr

    Whada u know? Look....they look blue in some of the shots. Do them either blue or warm, but choose what ever YOU like. In my case blue looked less boring and they happen to be screen correct.
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    I agree about boring though...it shouldn't be everything white, screen correct or not
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 3:54 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #24

    you know another factor which contributes to bits breaking I think, is the drilling speed, not that you haven't already thought of that...I was going to mention that earlier and I spaced
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    I've been following your build, and its incredible! What kind of drill bits are you using? I have tried a few different types of .35mm bits and have broken about 15 of them at this point (some are even stuck in my model...)
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    3 Weeks Ago  Nov 21, 2017, 4:47 PM - Re: 1/2700 Star Destoyer on the kitchen table #25

    Here are some pictures early stages

    I don't have any close-up pictures on the window drill holes but will take some tonight and post along with pictures of the interior painted white.

    I am upgrading with Falcon 3D Parts.......Engine Bells, Hangar Bay and Field Generators. I'm also scratch building a Trench Hangar Bay. I also have a 1/2700 Millennium Falcon and Tantive IV that I may light and use.

    All interior panels have been light blocked and then painted white because my first choice is to use Warm White LED strips or a combination with FO for the interior lighting.

    Cool White for the Hangar Bay lighting

    Flickering Cool White for the 3 main Engine Bells........Should the other 4 smaller engines be lit the same as the main engines?

    I'm having a control board built to simulate multiple laser turrets blasts using 2 LEDs synced to sound a sound clip. I have isolated sound clips of them firing from Episode IV. I need to put the multiple sound clips together in a single sound clip file spaced out correctly which will be synced to 2 LEDs firing multiple times alternating back and fourth between the 2 LEDs. I may use 3 firing points on each side of the ship firing in an alternating pattern. So one point on right side of the ship would fire along with 2 points on left side of the ship at the same time and then it would alternate to 2 points firing on right side and one point on left side with a total of 4 rapid double bursts.

    Hard to explain and not what it did in the movie but it will be a cool effect

    The board will also control the interior lighting, hangar bay and engines. This will be operated all via remote control
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