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    Nov 7, 2017, 10:33 AM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #26

    I agree with you that Kennedy could always change her mind. I noted that also above.


    MrSouthpaw said: View Post
    Kathleen Kennedy also said George Lucas was the keeper of the flame. Stated Lucas would be a creative consultant for the new trilogy. Did that happen?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/georg...r-wars-2012-11

    Nope.

    http://ew.com/article/2015/11/20/geo...akens-breakup/
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    Nov 7, 2017, 11:02 AM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #27

    On a related note, I wonder how Marvel retained tv and film rights over the Inhumans, who first appeared in the FF comics, and which Marvel ultimately decided to underfund as a tv show on Friday nights. Imagine Marvel had actually stuck to their prior plan to produce an Inhumans movie with Vin Diesel (allegedly) as Black Bolt. It seems like Marvel unintentionally sabotaged the Inhumans by reusing Iron Fist's showrunner.

    In addition, here's a helpful chart by the geek twins illustrating how the Marvel Universe rights are allocated. However, the chart is a bit outdated as mr southpaw noted earlier that the skrulls and the watcher are actually available to Marvel studios also.
    IMG_8805.PNG

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    We think that's already happened, though. Marvel had the TV rights for X-Men, and now Fox is developing X-Men TV stuff. Fox retained everything affiliated with FF in that i.p. bundle, including Galactus, Doctor Doom, Silver Surfer, the Watchers, and the Skrulls. We saw the Watchers in GotGv2, and Skrulls are confirmed in IW. So something happened there...

    --Jonah
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    Nov 7, 2017, 11:41 AM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #28

    el toro said: View Post
    I agree with you that Kennedy could always change her mind. I noted that also above.
    I’m inclined to think she won’t do a reissue.
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    Nov 7, 2017, 2:05 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #29

    Hmmm - Magneto could be Scarlet Witch's dad again. But either he'd have to deal with Quicksilver's death, or she'd have her brother back, but looking very different....

    Not to mention:

    https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2...02/rightsizing
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 7, 2017, 3:30 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #30

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    I’m inclined to think she won’t do a reissue.
    I think she doesn't have as much pull as it seems like. When the day is done, the mouse owns SW...not her. Perhaps, look at her as a sort of figurehead like Stan Lee. Very respected in the SW community, as Stan is in the comic community, but neither has as much power as you would think.

    And she likely said she wouldn't touch them because they simply couldn't distribute them due to Fox's rights.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 7, 2017, 3:42 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #31

    MrSouthpaw said: View Post
    I think she doesn't have as much pull as it seems like. When the day is done, the mouse owns SW...not her. Perhaps, look at her as a sort of figurehead like Stan Lee. Very respected in the SW community, as Stan is in the comic community, but neither has as much power as you would think.

    And she likely said she wouldn't touch them because they simply couldn't distribute them due to Fox's rights.
    I’ll push back on that. Disney doesn’t run LF, she does and has a tremendous amount of autonomy based on everything i’ve seen or read. Iger has allowed both Marvel and LF and Pixar a hug amount of free reign to run their businesses just as they did prior to Disney ownership, that’s why Disney bought them in the first place.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 7, 2017, 3:58 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #32

    In response to Mrsouthpaw: I see your point, but it seems like Kennedy has a fair amount of control over the production of the new movies - for example, firing Phil Lord and Chris Miller close to the end of principal photography and then installing a new director. She also arranged for Trank to be fired, pushed out the episode IX director, and arranged for reshoots for Rogue One. So, it follows that Kennedy has even more control over the OT, which will generate less money for Disney than the Disney-produced movies will.
    And isn't Kennedy an old friend of Spielberg and Lucas going back to their work together on Raiders of the Lost Ark in the 1980s? That's why I'm not so sure that Kennedy will restore the original versions of the OT. Restoration would be tantamount to tampering with her friend's intended art. That's a much more significant betrayal than not requesting george's input on the new trilogy.
    That said, Kennedy or Lucas could always change their minds.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 7, 2017, 5:56 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #33

    el toro said: View Post
    In response to Mrsouthpaw: I see your point, but it seems like Kennedy has a fair amount of control over the production of the new movies - for example, firing Phil Lord and Chris Miller close to the end of principal photography and then installing a new director. She also arranged for Trank to be fired, pushed out the episode IX director, and arranged for reshoots for Rogue One. So, it follows that Kennedy has even more control over the OT, which will generate less money for Disney than the Disney-produced movies will.
    And isn't Kennedy an old friend of Spielberg and Lucas going back to their work together on Raiders of the Lost Ark in the 1980s? That's why I'm not so sure that Kennedy will restore the original versions of the OT. Restoration would be tantamount to tampering with her friend's intended art. That's a much more significant betrayal than not requesting george's input on the new trilogy.
    That said, Kennedy or Lucas could always change their minds.
    But the thing is, they have already been restored by Reliance Media,...new scan......in 4K.....the SE elements were rendered in 2K originally.... so they were either re-inserted as they were,.....will be re rendered....or left out for a unaltered release.....who knows

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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 7, 2017, 11:04 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #34

    No matter how much autonomy Kennedy has, do you think she has the power to say "We will not do the thing that would earn billions."? Maybe she does have TONS of power, but not that much. Perhaps she should be compared more to Feige, than Stan Lee then.

    TFA began production in mid-2014. They have made RO, TLJ, and SOLO since then, roughly 3 1/2 years. Disney wants to make money, and that is fine. That's what allows all those Marvel movies to exist, which I am a huge fan of. But I think it's pretty obvious that Disney would release the original OT if they could because it's 3 extremely popular movies and they don't even have to actually make them.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 12:40 AM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #35

    The thing is though, they make money off the OT without doing a thing. They license the IP. They merchandise. They get royalties off the current release. They are building them park expansions that will rake in millions a DAY. Why spend the money to make more changes and market and distribute a release of a product that onlynerds like us care about when they can continue to do nothing to the OT and make money hand over fist off it? They don't need to do what George did— repackage the same movie every 5 years to make money when they are making new movies that keep the IP fresh and relevant.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 7:29 AM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #36

    MrSouthpaw said: View Post
    No matter how much autonomy Kennedy has, do you think she has the power to say "We will not do the thing that would earn billions."? Maybe she does have TONS of power, but not that much. Perhaps she should be compared more to Feige, than Stan Lee then.

    TFA began production in mid-2014. They have made RO, TLJ, and SOLO since then, roughly 3 1/2 years. Disney wants to make money, and that is fine. That's what allows all those Marvel movies to exist, which I am a huge fan of. But I think it's pretty obvious that Disney would release the original OT if they could because it's 3 extremely popular movies and they don't even have to actually make them.
    This is not a “billions” dollar proposition. It’s a marginal, niche release to a very small group of fans.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 10:24 AM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #37

    Release them PROPERLY as opposed to presenting them like day old dog **** served on a trash can lid the way GL did, and then see how "niche" it is.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 1:24 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #38

    Niche in that it appeals to Star Wars fans over the age of 30 who grew up on the OGOT. Everyone else has grown up on the special editions.Purists and cinephiles do not make up big numbers.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 2:08 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #39

    SethS said: View Post
    Niche in that it appeals to Star Wars fans over the age of 30 who grew up on the OGOT. Everyone else has grown up on the special editions.Purists and cinephiles do not make up big numbers.
    Possibly 40+.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 3:08 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #40

    @Bryancd @SethS
    I wholly reject the idea that this is a niche number of people. And it doesn't actually have to be cinephiles or purists, just people who are SW fans that want the original OT.

    In America there are roughly 120 million people who are 30-60, the prime age for someone to love the original versions. Who saw them as an adult or as a kid in the theaters. That's a lot of potential customers. And, no, I am not saying they would all buy it, but even a small percentage...say 5%. That's 6 million customers. And they would have to pay roughly $85 over the course of the OT for Disney to make about $500mil. And this is just the US.

    What amount of 6.5 billion total on Earth might want this?
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 4:26 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #41

    Bryancd said: View Post
    If that happens then you could see unaltered OT realses.
    It would certainly remove all legal obstacles thereto.

    And a shared Avatar/Star Wars film universe.
    Bite your tongue, man!

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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 4:33 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #42

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    @Bryancd @SethS
    I wholly reject the idea that this is a niche number of people. And it doesn't actually have to be cinephiles or purists, just people who are SW fans that want the original OT.

    In America there are roughly 120 million people who are 30-60, the prime age for someone to love the original versions. Who saw them as an adult or as a kid in the theaters. That's a lot of potential customers. And, no, I am not saying they would all buy it, but even a small percentage...say 5%. That's 6 million customers. And they would have to pay roughly $85 over the course of the OT for Disney to make about $500mil. And this is just the US.

    What amount of 6.5 billion total on Earth might want this?
    You reject it because you frequent boards like this, which likely means that you're surrounded by people in your offline and online life who are generally enthusiastic about an archival version of the OT.

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I am, too. I'd LOVE an archival OOT. Despecialized, whatever you want to call it.


    But I do recognize that we're in the minority compared to the vast population out there. A few years ago, just as an anecdotal thing, I asked my two closest friends from college about it. They didn't really care all that much. They were fine with the special edition changes. They recognize that "Han shot first" is kind of a dumb change, but they really didn't care much about the rest or mind them.

    Now, personally, even aside from the story changes, I think a lot of the edits were technically poor -- problems with color timing and such -- but I doubt those would be changed.

    Your real point of hope is that display panels increase in resolution, prompting more and more re-issues of films at higher and higher resolutions. With the OT, this is possible. With the PT and the SE changes done in CG, not so much. Those are locked at 1080p, or you have to upscale them or redo them entirely.


    I think it could still happen, but it would likely be a limited release at a premium price. Like, a 12 disc set as an option over the 9-disc mega-set containing all three trilogies. But we'll see. First they have to get the rights back.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 5:43 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #43

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    You reject it because you frequent boards like this, which likely means that you're surrounded by people in your offline and online life who are generally enthusiastic about an archival version of the OT.

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I am, too. I'd LOVE an archival OOT. Despecialized, whatever you want to call it.


    But I do recognize that we're in the minority compared to the vast population out there. A few years ago, just as an anecdotal thing, I asked my two closest friends from college about it. They didn't really care all that much. They were fine with the special edition changes. They recognize that "Han shot first" is kind of a dumb change, but they really didn't care much about the rest or mind them.

    Now, personally, even aside from the story changes, I think a lot of the edits were technically poor -- problems with color timing and such -- but I doubt those would be changed.

    Your real point of hope is that display panels increase in resolution, prompting more and more re-issues of films at higher and higher resolutions. With the OT, this is possible. With the PT and the SE changes done in CG, not so much. Those are locked at 1080p, or you have to upscale them or redo them entirely.


    I think it could still happen, but it would likely be a limited release at a premium price. Like, a 12 disc set as an option over the 9-disc mega-set containing all three trilogies. But we'll see. First they have to get the rights back.
    They could do it on the cheap. Take the laser disc version and just release it digitally. Clean it up a bit. But thats the problem, no one can agree which version of the OOT is the definitive one, how much restoration work makes it too much like the SE, etc. It's a fools errand to try and satisfy a small number of purists who will complain no matter how the release is done. Do it for little initial cost and then it makes more sense.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 6:34 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #44

    Bryancd said: View Post
    They could do it on the cheap. Take the laser disc version and just release it digitally. Clean it up a bit. But thats the problem, no one can agree which version of the OOT is the definitive one, how much restoration work makes it too much like the SE, etc. It's a fools errand to try and satisfy a small number of purists who will complain no matter how the release is done. Do it for little initial cost and then it makes more sense.
    I'd be happy with a standard remaster along with removal of matte lines, fixing light sabers, etc. Basically just a clean up of the pre-SE version of the movie and no added or heavily altered footage.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 6:48 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #45

    Does any of this mean I could get a Silver Surfer movie that doesn't suck?
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 6:53 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #46

    Solo4114 said: View Post
    But I do recognize that we're in the minority compared to the vast population out there. A few years ago, just as an anecdotal thing, I asked my two closest friends from college about it. They didn't really care all that much. They were fine with the special edition changes. They recognize that "Han shot first" is kind of a dumb change, but they really didn't care much about the rest or mind them.
    Yeah, I am a first generation fan and I'm in the same boat as your buddies. I don't mind the special edition changes. In addition to the Han thing, the Jabba scene in ANH looks wonky. But all in all, I am ok with the changes and probably wouldn't rebuy unaltered versions.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 7:30 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #47

    Was 9 in ‘77, I’m ambivalent about a OOT release. Have the DVD they did of the laser disc.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 8:14 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #48

    Solo4114 said: View Post
    You reject it because you frequent boards like this, which likely means that you're surrounded by people in your offline and online life who are generally enthusiastic about an archival version of the OT.

    I mean, don't get me wrong, I am, too. I'd LOVE an archival OOT. Despecialized, whatever you want to call it.


    But I do recognize that we're in the minority compared to the vast population out there. A few years ago, just as an anecdotal thing, I asked my two closest friends from college about it. They didn't really care all that much. They were fine with the special edition changes. They recognize that "Han shot first" is kind of a dumb change, but they really didn't care much about the rest or mind them.

    Now, personally, even aside from the story changes, I think a lot of the edits were technically poor -- problems with color timing and such -- but I doubt those would be changed.

    Your real point of hope is that display panels increase in resolution, prompting more and more re-issues of films at higher and higher resolutions. With the OT, this is possible. With the PT and the SE changes done in CG, not so much. Those are locked at 1080p, or you have to upscale them or redo them entirely.


    I think it could still happen, but it would likely be a limited release at a premium price. Like, a 12 disc set as an option over the 9-disc mega-set containing all three trilogies. But we'll see. First they have to get the rights back.
    I reject it because of the numbers involved. Those figures I laid out. "My college friends didn't want it." is not at all persuasive and a lot closer to an argument made because of social ties.

    @Jaitea has stated that the rescans have already been done. And looking into it. Gareth Edwards stated that Lucasfilm has already done a 4k version of ANH. He watched it.

    http://lwlies.com/interviews/gareth-...ar-wars-story/

    So they're willing to spend the money on a 4k version of ANH so a few production people can watch it for notes, but not to release it to Star Wars fans? I find that very hard to believe. In fact I'll go one step further and opine that they probably have all three ready to go. And, yes, they just gotta get the rights back.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 8:20 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #49

    Your math assumes the average person is a big Star Wars fan. That's just not the case.
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    4 Weeks Ago  Nov 8, 2017, 8:55 PM - Re: Disney in talks to buy Fox studio assets.. #50

    I was 8, and I am not ambivalent about wanting to see a clean copy of what I watched in ‘77. It is mental. Every time I watch a modified copy my brain goes into selective permeable membrane mode to filter out what wasn’t in my original experience. The version where Marcia got it right enough to win a Best Editing Oscar. That one.

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