You have never seen the Blade Runner blaster before - PHOTOS RESTORED

[Serafino]

Thanks Phil. Now I see what the issue can be.

Oh and Howard--you're not stupid either. The only one who's stupid is the poor guy who lets his wife ask him if he's stupid all the time.

Which seems a good moment to go OT and mention that an old girlfriend of mine once responded to my using a weird voice in conversation by saying "What are you supposed to be? Sauron's younger brother, Moron?"

 

[philippes]

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If I remember correctly, the main problem is that there isn't any type of provenance with the cane other than who you're brokering it for correct (BTW, if you want me to edit this part out that's fine since it deals with information from elsewhere)?[/b]

Please go back to that thread. This has been clarified.

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Is this the issue with the pistols then? the owners are worried about when/if they ever decide to sell the pistols that the only provenance for the piece they have will be their word? I understand back when the film was finished how props and whatnot were not coveted and documented like they are today. So is this the problem then?
[/b]

No. Provenance isn't an issue with their blasters. They just don't want to have to contend with hard-to-identify forgeries, which potentially devalue their pride-and-joy and invite unwanted skepticism.

Phil

 

[franz bolo]

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<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 7 2006, 12:44 PM) [snapback]1314957[/snapback]

This will NEVER happen. That's a sad myth that people who want to control things make up. We will NEVER see an identical BR gun prop ever. Even with all these pics it is impossible.. By Richards own admission, he can't even do it and he is apparently the resident expert and premier maker of this gun.[/b]

Go here:
http://props.steinschneider.com/brblaster/metalinit_02.htm

If Craig had the new information at the time, the SL-DAPAS would almost be indistinguishable from the original.

Phil
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Nice gun but are you serious? I'm sure he has the photos now so please please please prove me wrong. I can guarantee that this gun or any replicas in the future will not be passed off as the real deal using only the pictures that were posted.

Now if you had unlimited access to the gun for a few days and a micrometer and was able to take it apart and document everything, then find ALL the vintage original parts, then you might be able to come close but with the info we have now... NO.

Only time will tell, but I hope this thread is here for a few more years so I can say I told you so.

FB

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>(Serafino @ Sep 7 2006, 02:54 PM) [snapback]1315019[/snapback]</div>

Which seems a good moment to go OT and mention that an old girlfriend of mine once responded to my using a weird voice in conversation by saying "What are you supposed to be? Sauron's younger brother, Moron?"
[/b]

:lol I had to laugh at that in spite of myself....I like your ex-girlfriend's sense of humor....


EDIT: if with the present photos having been shown, if someone can produce a replica that is even 90% of the accuracy of the original....it could be passed off as an example of an original and claimed to be not one of the three or so already reported or seen before....so authenticating it will be more difficult....ie: it is as much a matter of disproving what it is as proving what it is.

 

[Beeb89]

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<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 7 2006, 12:44 PM) [snapback]1314957[/snapback]

This will NEVER happen. That's a sad myth that people who want to control things make up. We will NEVER see an identical BR gun prop ever. Even with all these pics it is impossible.. By Richards own admission, he can't even do it and he is apparently the resident expert and premier maker of this gun.[/b]

Go here:
http://props.steinschneider.com/brblaster/metalinit_02.htm

If Craig had the new information at the time, the SL-DAPAS would almost be indistinguishable from the original.

Phil
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Nice gun but are you serious? I'm sure he has the photos now so please please please prove me wrong. I can guarantee that this gun or any replicas in the future will not be passed off as the real deal using only the pictures that were posted.

Now if you had unlimited access to the gun for a few days and a micrometer and was able to take it apart and document everything, then find ALL the vintage original parts, then you might be able to come close but with the info we have now... NO.

Only time will tell, but I hope this thread is here for a few more years so I can say I told you so.

FB
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This has been said of us before... we are a select few that obsess over even the most minute details regarding props. Most people do not.

If I were an average guy, had the cash and were an avid movie fan and someone was offering me the gun from Blade Runner and it was a nicely done version such as the metal version seen on Phil's site, just how would I go about doing the research to verify it's authenticity? www.TheREALDEALBladeRunnerBlaster.com?? I mean, even we... WE, the most anal, obsessive group I have EVER know, could only do screen grabs and piece together information that, up until now, has been sketchy at best regarding the details, so I can see Phil's point.

Still, it's a shame that this has taken the turn it has.

-B89.

 

[SithLord]

that's a very good point....replica collectors are more concerned about details than prop collectors.....for prop collectors provenance is the key.....so when highly detailed images of a prop are shown here....it is implicit that we'd like to see those details for the interest of making replicas....that's implicit...it doesn't necessarily mean that such a replica will be made or can be made....

 

[Birdie]

I doubt even a metallurgist could replicate the ageing and weathering seen on that piece :rolleyes

That's not to mention our complete ignorance of the internals, electronics, power source etc.

I'm sorry, but I find this entire argument to be utter BS. Sour grapes are sour grapes.

 

[acerocket]

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Oh and Howard--you're not stupid either. The only one who's stupid is the poor guy who lets his wife ask him if he's stupid all the time. [/b]

HEY. It's not like I let her ask me all the time. I just have a bad habit of doing stupid things all the time.

 

[Aegis159]

<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 7 2006, 03:03 PM) [snapback]1315026[/snapback]</div>

Please go back to that thread. This has been clarified.

No. Provenance isn't an issue with their blasters. They just don't want to have to contend with hard-to-identify forgeries, which potentially devalue their pride-and-joy and invite unwanted skepticism.

Phil
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Hehe, thanks I hadn't read any more in the thread since yesterday morning, I obviously missed a bit since then.

 

[rigormortis]

This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The guy had them on public display and let people take photos, hold them, etc. and now he doesn't want the pictures of them posted on the internet?

Next time, don't display them in public or put up a sign that says "no photography please". :confused

 

[Clutch]

I thought the guy who had it on display was not the guy who asked for the pics to be taken down.

 

[aliensarchive]

Which guy do you suppose that was:

http://www.laconiv.org/2006/depts/props.htm

 

[eltee]

See how the mere injection of convoluted ideas, minor spins, unrelated facts, information overload (473 posts), irrelevant side issues and a little obfuscation can start confusion? This is why it is so hard to convict people in court. In a short period of time many of us will have difficulty recalling who did what, who accused who, who claimed what, etc. and the real story and back stories will be lost within yet another cloud of mystery that is the world of BR.

Tail waggin' the dog. :lol

 

[juno]

I still say it's Jeff Walker:

http://www.laconiv.org/2006/depts/props.htm
http://www.toydirectory.com/monthly/article.asp?id=1545
http://www.philipkdick.com/new_letters-laddcompany.html
http://www.toydirectory.com/monthly/article.asp?id=1545
http://www.deanquixote.com/crew/j_walker.htm

 

[spinner44.com]

And I was looking forward to using this:

Danm. :lol

 

[franz bolo]

Eltee, here's a refresh:

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I was mistaken about the owners of original Blade Runner props. They're not concerned about the blaster being shown, and photos shared, but they're extremely upset that this was featured on the RPF.

Apparently, a lot of these good old boys despise the self-righteousness exhibited by many of the replicators in this forum.

It's perceived that people on the RPF believe that the moment something is shown in public, it automatically gives anyone the right to profiteer from the information. Where's the gratefulness, sympathy, and respect for the person who shared the material or the owner of what was offered?

What's worse—and beyond anyone here's control—there are interlopers who regularly trawl the forum for material and gratuitously lift information shown there and quickly produce knock-offs for sale.

Most of all, they're horrified by the prospect of copies of anything being sold on eBay. To them, that's the lowest someone can go.

My wallet project was sanctioned by the "Blade Runner Mafia." But the day someone who signed the NDA produced a similar prop, which was a clear conflict of interest, they were very upset. And my sponsor bore the brunt of their wrath. Where did it first appear? On eBay.

Phil
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[MattMunson]

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I for one would NEVER think of suppressing info, because I believe in the free exchange of information...
Rich
[/b]

That being said, please PM me with all of the photos that YOU took of the prop on your trip to wondercon, and please make them available to anyone else in this thread that wants them.

I cannot imaging you having ANY problem with this request, based on what you have stated above. I can't wait to see them.

 

[racprops]

Matt, it is always a delight to see your postings.

I was asked to remove the photos on the web.


Rich

 

[MattMunson]

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No I can not share them with anyone at this time.

[/b]

So then your previous post was a lie. you can INDEED imagine suppressing information. Which is fine, I just wanted to point that out

Darn, and I really wanted to see your pictures. I just think it's weird that you get all high-horsey on us, saying how wrong it is to suppress information, but then you go and do it. That's a bummer for all of us, as you no doubt have THE KILLER archive of pictures from the gun. I imagine that your photos were far more detailed and comprehensive than the ones Karl took, as you would want the information for different purposes.

oh well, sorry to learn that you were not being genuine in your original post, as I would have loved to get my mitts on the goodies.

 

[Birdie]

Did this person inform you of what his stake in the matter was? More importlantly, did he explain to you why he wanted the photos removed, and why you should have any incentive to comply with his wishes?