You have never seen the Blade Runner blaster before - PHOTOS RESTORED

[philippes]

I was mistaken about the owners of original Blade Runner props. They're not concerned about the blaster being shown, and photos shared, but they're extremely upset that this was featured on the RPF.

Apparently, a lot of these good old boys despise the self-righteousness exhibited by many of the replicators in this forum.

It's perceived that people on the RPF believe that the moment something is shown in public, it automatically gives anyone the right to profiteer from the information. Where's the gratefulness, sympathy, and respect for the person who shared the material or the owner of what was offered?

What's worse—and beyond anyone here's control—there are interlopers who regularly trawl the forum for material and gratuitously lift information shown there and quickly produce knock-offs for sale.

Most of all, they're horrified by the prospect of copies of anything being sold on eBay. To them, that's the lowest someone can go.

My wallet project was sanctioned by the "Blade Runner Mafia." But the day someone who signed the NDA produced a similar prop, which was a clear conflict of interest, they were very upset. And my sponsor bore the brunt of their wrath. Where did it first appear? On eBay.

Phil

 

[Aegis159]

<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 7 2006, 08:42 AM) [snapback]1314706[/snapback]</div>

I was mistaken about the owners of original Blade Runner props. They're not concerned about the blaster being shown, and photos shared, but they're extremely upset that this was featured on the RPF.

Apparently, a lot of these good old boys despise the self-righteousness exhibited by many of the replicators in this forum.

What's worse—and beyond anyone here's control—there are interlopers who regularly trawl the forum for material and gratuitously lift information shown there and quickly produce knock-offs for sale.

Most of all, they're horrified by the prospect of copies of anything being sold on eBay. To them, that's the lowest someone can go.

My wallet project was sanctioned by the "Blade Runner Mafia." But the day someone who signed the NDA produced a similar prop, which was a clear conflict of interest, they were very upset. And my sponsor bore the brunt of their wrath. Where did it first appear? On eBay.

Phil
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Honestly, and I hope others agree with me, that if a clear explanation from the involved parties had been given from the begining that ALL of this mess could have been avoided. And then trying to backpedal the whole situation hasn't helped either...

Hehe, you know that's always my main beef with television shows like LOST... if the freakin people would talk to one another 99% of what happens on the shows would be non-events. But I guess that's what makes the shows fun to watch....

One thing you bring up Phil is something I don't understand about these boards... why are they open to anyone to view and peruse?? Wouldn't quite a bit of the bottomfeeders be a little more constrained if the boards were only viewable by members??

Oh and the blanket statement you give from them is highly insulting. Covering us all in such an ill-light is rude and presumptuous on their part.

So why aren't you setting them straight for us since we're not privy to their ears?

Not all of us are "Self Righteous", but feel that clear communication can help avoid issues like what has happened here...

 

[franz bolo]

<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 7 2006, 07:42 AM) [snapback]1314706[/snapback]</div>

It's perceived that people on the RPF believe that the moment something is shown in public, it automatically gives anyone the right to profiteer from the information. Where's the gratefulness, sympathy, and respect for the person who shared the material or the owner of what was offered?
Phil
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Well who was the first person to post that they will make the ultimate replica? Who is the main person to make any money on this?

Is that the person you are refering to?

FB

 

[philippes]

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So why aren't you setting them straight for us since we're not privy to their ears?
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But they are privy. They've seen everything that's been going on here.

Perception is everything, so a few sour apples spoil the bunch.

Phil

 

[Noeland]

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It's perceived that people on the RPF believe that the moment something is shown in public, it automatically gives anyone the right to profiteer from the information. Where's the gratefulness, sympathy, and respect for the person who shared the material or the owner of what was offered? [/b]

I seem to remember a whole lot of grateful people posting grateful things. Lots of thank you's happening. And the owner of this prop presented it publically. No one stole it from him and brought it to the convention. I even remember a few people being grateful the owner displayed it.

Hello? This is not news.

IMHO The perceptions of unseen collectors cannot concern the members here if these parties don't make themselves known, directly and honestly. This is just getting silly now. The moment a film comes out people are talking about replicas. The cure gun from X3 for example was being discussed when the trailers were out.

It's about the films, not the collectors. It's about the art, not the wall it hangs on.

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Apparently, a lot of these good old boys despise the self-righteousness exhibited by many of the replicators in this forum.[/b]

And that would be who? Because I only see a post from you here Phil, you seem to be thier sole voice on the boards. If these folks are truly concerned about the RPF as a whole, why don't they register and post? Instead they lurk? We need to be concerned with the opinions of lurkers now? We should fear them? Bow to them? Bend over for them?

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Most of all, they're horrified by the prospect of copies of anything being sold on eBay. To them, that's the lowest someone can go.[/b]

Again with the opinions. Make a post Oh lurker and owner of screen-used props who instead of posting here makes your thoughts known only to Phil. Perhaps they should get over it. Maybe they should thnk about not crying over spilled milk once in awhile.

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My wallet project was sanctioned by the "Blade Runner Mafia." But the day someone who signed the NDA produced a similar prop, which was a clear conflict of interest, they were very upset. And my sponsor bore the brunt of their wrath. Where did it first appear? On eBay.[/b]

So, your profiteering is in danger? How is this different than anyone else's profiteering? The owner gets a cut? This is a sincere question, not a personal attack. Because the owner of the wallet isn't Warner Brothers and there is no licensing fee being paid to them, is there? Do you represent the licensee?

Then you are a bootlegging RPF SOB too.

It's a fine line, I know. But blade runner ID's and badges have been in circulation for a long time. You designed a few yourself. Did you design them from screen caps? What is different about then as opposed to now? For you I mean? How is it that they see you differently, or do they? Are you and your sponsor now part of the garbage heap?

Eventually this wallet would have gone public, all three hero guns will become public. If there was not philippes in the prop hobby, Phil if you'd of chosen a different path, what would have happened to it? The very wallet ITSELF would have gone onto to ebay after an estate sale or auction, or the owner going bankrupt.

This is SO not about ebay, or spinner44's wallet. It's about control, and the fact that someone is going to have to understand they don't have it. They cannot control the actions of the people in the hobby. They can certainly hide stuff. They can lie. They can horde. But eventually they will die, and I don't think God lets blade runner props into heaven. Maybe I'm wrong and the film is JUST that good... :lol

I'm concerned with what the brunt of thier wrath may have been, specifically. Are we talking legal action here? It sounds very dramatic and important. Did it include a telephone call saying "Those jerky RPF guys are at it again. One 'a these days.." Or was it something else?

Laced with humor because I really feel like there should be a big lightening up here. This sounds so serious and dire. Maybe it's just my wrong impression though.

Honestly Phil, I think you should concern yourself with the perceptions and opinions of the folks here, because people are talking, and they are not saying good things. This is playing out in a very negative way. I know I'm part of that, and I feel the need to call a spade a spade.

Then make fun of it. Even if it's me. :lol

 

[philippes]

Noeland,

I respect your opinions, but I don't agree with them.

Phil

 

[juno]

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I was mistaken about the owners of original Blade Runner props. They're not concerned about the blaster being shown, and photos shared, but they're extremely upset that this was featured on the RPF.
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Mistaken? You explicitly stated:
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I've heard from several owners of original Blade Runner props over the past week, and they're livid that this information has been released. In at least one case, the owner has decided to part with something he's owned for over 20 years because the mystique of the piece has been lost. Another is very upset because "tells" only known to him have now been exposed and will be added to reproductions. The paper prop dilemma is even worse, and those who own original Blade Runner badges, IDs, etc. are thoroughly frustrated.[/b]

Well if you were mistaken about that, then clearly you could be mistaken about them being upset.

Also, if you read this thread BEFORE the pics were pulled there was nothing BUT grateful and caring comments:
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I feel like someone just showed me the Ark of the Covenant.

Thank you, Karl, for sharing this fantastic find and letting us look at your photos. Your openess and willingness to share this knowledge and allow access to the marvelous closeup photos of this genuine sci-fi icon is very much appreciated.

... the real thanks belong to the owner of this prop, who very very generously put it on display at Worldcon and allowed everyone to see it for the very first time.

Hi Karl and effectively, thanks a lot to you and the owner of this amazing screen-used prop. I'm so crazy to see the rust on the metal pieces....work of age.

I'm not a BR collector but recognise the importance of these photos and really like the fact that you shared them and the owner made it available to have photos taken in the first place.[/b]

I'm not sure what it is, but I think it is clear to anyone that reads your posts that you have an agenda.

 

[philippes]

"Brunt of thier wrath" means getting yelled at over the phone by a friend. No one like when that happens.

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I'm not sure what it is, but I think it is clear to anyone that reads your posts that you have an agenda.
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You're mistaken. I have no agenda.

I'm simply not afraid of an angry mob, as I've confronted them before. So, I've tried to express the feelings of other people that have a stake in this who don't have the luxury of being able to post to this or other boards.

Phil

 

[franz bolo]

<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 7 2006, 08:46 AM) [snapback]1314742[/snapback]</div>

I've tried to express the feelings of other people that have a stake in this who don't have the luxury of being able to post to this or other boards.
Phil
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What stake are you talking about? Having the photos on here does nothing but bring joy.

The people that make replicas of this gun won't use this info to make there guns any better. They'll wait for Richard to make his, then recast it.

I don't want to rag on the guy but Richard Coyle is the only one to profit from this guns exposure. If the owner made an exclusive deal with him or some other company to make a replica then that would be understandable why they would not want them on here.

We haven't heard of anything like that happening so we can only speculate. I really understand people's frustration with this and am glad they are expressing their thoughts.

FB

 

[gjustis]

<div class='quotetop'>(Noeland @ Sep 7 2006, 01:37 PM) [snapback]1314734[/snapback]</div>

Honestly Phil, I think you should concern yourself with the perceptions and opinions of the folks here, because people are talking, and they are not saying good things.
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Dun Dun Duuuuuuh.

:lol

For crying out loud, people......who cares if you don't get any more pics? Cry a river, and find another prop to replicate. No reason to get all up on Phil for an attempt at being considerate and accomodating.

 

[PHArchivist]

<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 7 2006, 12:42 PM) [snapback]1314706[/snapback]</div>

My wallet project was sanctioned by the "Blade Runner Mafia."

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I am very curious just how well you know this quite esoteric group.


It is perhaps an unfortunate twist of irony that the very item that (for many of us) placed Phil Steinschneider firmly in the prop world limelight, is now apparently casting upon him shadows of doubt...

It is profoundly disheartening how the information that this thread revolves around has been "managed" (I use that term loosely), and how such management is having an ill-effect on some fairly stalwart members of our forum.

 

[philippes]

<div class='quotetop'>(PHArchivist @ Sep 7 2006, 10:06 AM) [snapback]1314766[/snapback]</div>

I am very curious just how well you know this quite esoteric group.


It is perhaps an unfortunate twist of irony that the very item that (for many of us) placed Phil Steinschneider firmly in the prop world limelight, is now apparently casting upon him shadows of doubt...
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I thought my work with Richard Coyle and the C&S (Coyle & Steinschneider) blaster had put me in the limelight? Or, the Blade Runner and Spinner fonts that I created and have given away free (actually, I really want to be remembered for those).

Well, if it's the wallet, I have quite a story to tell, but it should be placed in another thread.

Phil

 

[PHArchivist]

<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Sep 7 2006, 02:12 PM) [snapback]1314768[/snapback]</div>

I thought my work with Richard Coyle and the C&S (Coyle & Steinschneider) blaster had put me in the limelight?
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Yes, precisely. The item that is at the very core of this subject -- the Deckard gun, and all that revolves around it.

You were the pioneer that educated and informed many of us on the core mysteries of the prop (how it was constructed; what it was comprised of).

And now, even more highly detailed information has been released, to the chagrin of others.

As the voice of these esoteric "others" (regardless if you consciously wish to be), you are now seemingly beginning to reap the detrimental effects of the aftermath (as evidenced by the posts of various others).

This is --- as I stated -- truly disheartening. As you stated, you have no agenda, however you (seem to) have limitations, and perhaps these limitations with regard to what you can share are beginning to unjustly cast upon you some shadows of doubt.

 

[imaginager]

Relocated for impact ->

 

[Noeland]

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"Brunt of thier wrath" means getting yelled at over the phone by a friend. No one like when that happens. [/b]

Well, I figured that was all it was. I appreciate you saying so.

I honestly don't understand why you're being so damn cryptic and dramatic about all of this Phil. It doesn't help the situation IMO. Makes for some interesting debate, sure.

I guess I'm just reading too much into your posts. I'm gonna stop doing that now. :lol

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I respect your opinions, but I don't agree with them.[/b]

I'd not expect you would agree with my current opinions. I just hope you and Rich understand I am not attacking, just questioning. It's my nature. Because as you put it earlier, inquiring minds want to know. But I am upset too, probably just as upset as the unseen high end collectors.

I haven't made any angry phone calls though, I guess that's how things get done around here..

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I'm simply not afraid of an angry mob, as I've confronted them before. So, I've tried to express the feelings of other people that have a stake in this who don't have the luxury of being able to post to this or other boards.[/b]

If they have time to lurk, they have time to post. Know what I'm sayin?

And the only angry mog I'm seeing are the people who have PM'd me about this. They are lighting thier torches as we speak.

And I think anyone who loves the film and loves the prop has a stake in this. Anyone who's plunked down money for the prop in one form or another has a stake in this.

I just don't like thinking that the feelings of the members here are being discounted as less important than some unseen collector. Can you understand why that would tick some folks off?

Just doesn't feel right to me.

 

[PHArchivist]

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[philippes]

I have absolutely no commercial interest in the blaster at this time (original or replica).

Because of my work brokering screen-used props and the Deckard Wallet Project, I've come to know several original Blade Runner prop owners. There are a few others whom I don't know, but they communicate through a friend. That's why I have a general understanding of how they feel.

Phil

 

[Kevin]

I was mistaken about the owners of original Blade Runner props. They're not concerned about the blaster being shown, and photos shared...

Phil

I am a little concerned at the way this thread appears to be degenerating into finger pointing and name calling. It started with everyone being amazed and grateful and then fell apart when Karl felt he had to remove the photos he had so generously shared with us (taken with the prop owner's permission at a public event). Given Phil's comment (quoted here) should Karl feel free to repost the photos?

Well, if it's the wallet, I have quite a story to tell, but it should be placed in another thread.

Phil
I for one eagerly await any information on this. I'm hoping Phil will be able to contribute to the apartment key project I am working on.

 

[philippes]

Noeland,

After watching what happens to me when I post, do you think they'd be inclined to express their feelings here? They'd be better served volunteering for the Roman Circus.

Phil

 

[Noeland]

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Dun Dun Duuuuuuh.

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For crying out loud, people......who cares if you don't get any more pics? Cry a river, and find another prop to replicate. No reason to get all up on Phil for an attempt at being considerate and accomodating. [/b]

:lol While I didn't mean it that way, I can see why your point perfectlyy. And yeah, you're right, it's silly. I'm sayin'.

But the thing is, there is another level of control and principle invovled, and that's what is getting under some skin here.

I think all in all this has been a pretty good debate.

I don't replicate props, I just enjoy building kits, sanding resin, Jb welding stuff together, and modifying kits to perosnalize them. You're never going to see me manufacturing replicas of any kind. So my stake in this is purely based on enjoyment and information.

And I also have a powerful need to stick my nose in where it doesn't belong... :lol

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I thought my work with Richard Coyle and the C&S (Coyle & Steinschneider) blaster had put me in the limelight?[/b]

Phil, I've used the word GURU many times in reference to both you and Richard. Craig too.

I don't know about limelight, but you guys have certainly effected the way people collect props.