Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
I read that canadian dog tags are 1.75" wide, is that correct?
Wolverine all day baby! Jackets, belts, claws, oh my.
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Rdmaul
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The Ebay one I have is def 1.75 length wise. I am pretty sure that 1.75 is the official length of Canadian dog tags.
Also on a side note got a email from Miguel and my X2 will be done today so I could possibly have it by the end of the week. Apparently they have been swamped and had to make some extra proofs out of Vinyl to make the correct changes to my jacket.
Nagano
Active Member
I cant vouche for the thickness of other jackets, but the Heron I got off ebay i would say has a medium thickness. Its tough and rugged and wont tear easily, its not light and thin, nor is the leather cheap looking or feeling. Its not as thick as a different jacket I have that I use for winter, though. The Heron, however, ive been wearing it in light Fall weather, and could layer with a hoodie if needed for more warmth. Hope thats helpful. If Im not feeling too lazy tonight I will try to remember to take some pics.
Wolfie
Sr Member
I have a set of canadian dog tags at home that I got from Canada. I had them stamp in the Wolverine number so its not really the correct fonts but I certainly can measure it for you if you still need it...
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Any further confirmation would be good. If you happen to have calipers, it would be nice if I knew if it was exactly 1.75" or some other measurement.
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Good to know. Thanks.
InLikeFlynn
Active Member
Will you be leaving it as is or giving it a X1 or X0 paint job?
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Does it look like the red and green accents on the buckle are easily removed?
superDrool
Sr Member
Nice snag Rd! Looking foward to seeing the paint job. 
My tags are also 1.75" in width and 7/8" in height. Anyone have differences in height?
My tags are also 1.75" in width and 7/8" in height. Anyone have differences in height?
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
At this point, I am pretty happy with the artwork of the dog tags. The artwork was created by layering it directly over a real prop tag to get the shape of the tag and size and position of the lettering. The tag image I used was not a closeup or direct frontal image so, I manipulated the image to create the best possible base.
There was shadowing around the tag so I had to deal with that by using a clean image of a real canadian tag as the base of the artwork and then adjusted it to the image of the real tag.
When enlarged, the text was blurry so I had to account for that in the size and detail of the text.
Like I said before, without other factual info, I have to assume the prop tag is the same size of a real tag. I also am going to have to guess at thickness. I am thinking of doing about half the thickness of my BSG tags... so something like .06". Take a look:
Above is my versions of the tag. Take a look ant V2 and V3. .06" would be about half that thickness.
I am still trying to get info fom the rep about metal. I may go to my other reps if they still have issues locating what I need.
In some ways, I will consider this tage idealized. Here is why. I think that the stamping method on the real tags create some flaws in the horizontal alignment and does not result in crisp text. My tag will be aligned the text crisp. I could attempt to make artistic adjustments but I rally have no good info to ensure what would be appropriate. In case like this, I like to make a item which someone can examine closely and like the details. Most of what I am taking about is not going to make a difference on normal viewing when the tag is worn
Also, with any replica I am doing, I cannot promise perfection (as i do not have access to the real prop), I can only promise that I will do my best with the best info I have.
There was shadowing around the tag so I had to deal with that by using a clean image of a real canadian tag as the base of the artwork and then adjusted it to the image of the real tag.
When enlarged, the text was blurry so I had to account for that in the size and detail of the text.
Like I said before, without other factual info, I have to assume the prop tag is the same size of a real tag. I also am going to have to guess at thickness. I am thinking of doing about half the thickness of my BSG tags... so something like .06". Take a look:
Above is my versions of the tag. Take a look ant V2 and V3. .06" would be about half that thickness.
I am still trying to get info fom the rep about metal. I may go to my other reps if they still have issues locating what I need.
In some ways, I will consider this tage idealized. Here is why. I think that the stamping method on the real tags create some flaws in the horizontal alignment and does not result in crisp text. My tag will be aligned the text crisp. I could attempt to make artistic adjustments but I rally have no good info to ensure what would be appropriate. In case like this, I like to make a item which someone can examine closely and like the details. Most of what I am taking about is not going to make a difference on normal viewing when the tag is worn
Also, with any replica I am doing, I cannot promise perfection (as i do not have access to the real prop), I can only promise that I will do my best with the best info I have.
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superDrool
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Some great legal jargon there. :lol
Seriously though, I have faith in you that your reproduction with the tags will be top notch, as you the details on your BSG tags are crisp, clean not to mention very professional.
I wasn't kidding when I said I have the mouse hovering over the paypal fund transfer button.
Seriously though, I have faith in you that your reproduction with the tags will be top notch, as you the details on your BSG tags are crisp, clean not to mention very professional.
I wasn't kidding when I said I have the mouse hovering over the paypal fund transfer button.
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
I just got some great news. The rep can do these in unplated steel. I've never done this before with steel. It is my hopes that the unplated steel will allow tarnishing and weathering as too help with the accuracy of the tag.
So right now I am looking at doing the design above in 1.75" and .05" (yes, i changed my mind, down from .06").
to help with the appearance of the text, I can either:
1. do an antique wash. This will make them look like they the text was originally clean but over time, darkened with age which I think is what the look of the prop is going for. You could also take it upon yourself to darken them more if you felt the need to. Whe nyou get the tag, it will look very new and clean. This is because they have to polish it in order to remove surface flaws. The unplating will allow it to tarnish over time. I've also found that going over thetag with a high grit wet sand paper, disrupts the surface and helps speed up the tarnishing process. For those that want to, you can also try artificallt weather the tage with paints, aluminum black, etc..
or
2. do black enamel (make them really black)
The antique wash is what I used on my BSG tags to make the text and logo pop.
The antique wash will NOT make the surface of the tag look weathered. For weathering, the idea is that these will weather naturally as you wear them (like my BSG tags). The tags on the left is how they first came, and the tags on the right is how they looked after wearing them for about a week. It is important to note, those are brass, I do not know for sure how unplated steel will tarnish/weather andhow long it would take.
I am going to try to get the chain included. I am thinking 1x 24" and 1x 4" steel 3mm ball chain.
If anyone has any reason to think I am heading in the wrong direction with any detail, now is the time to mention it. I want to submit my design for quote soon.
So right now I am looking at doing the design above in 1.75" and .05" (yes, i changed my mind, down from .06").
to help with the appearance of the text, I can either:
1. do an antique wash. This will make them look like they the text was originally clean but over time, darkened with age which I think is what the look of the prop is going for. You could also take it upon yourself to darken them more if you felt the need to. Whe nyou get the tag, it will look very new and clean. This is because they have to polish it in order to remove surface flaws. The unplating will allow it to tarnish over time. I've also found that going over thetag with a high grit wet sand paper, disrupts the surface and helps speed up the tarnishing process. For those that want to, you can also try artificallt weather the tage with paints, aluminum black, etc..
or
2. do black enamel (make them really black)
The antique wash is what I used on my BSG tags to make the text and logo pop.
The antique wash will NOT make the surface of the tag look weathered. For weathering, the idea is that these will weather naturally as you wear them (like my BSG tags). The tags on the left is how they first came, and the tags on the right is how they looked after wearing them for about a week. It is important to note, those are brass, I do not know for sure how unplated steel will tarnish/weather andhow long it would take.
I am going to try to get the chain included. I am thinking 1x 24" and 1x 4" steel 3mm ball chain.
If anyone has any reason to think I am heading in the wrong direction with any detail, now is the time to mention it. I want to submit my design for quote soon.
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superDrool
Sr Member
I think the only thing I'd like to know for sure is the thickness. I'm not sure I'm sold on the 0.5 mm. I wish I could find the eBay version I had so I had an idea of how it looked.
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Do you think .05" is too thick or too thin?
According to my research, real tag is .8mm (0.03149606299212599") thick.
The prop tag looks thicker than a regulation tag. .05" would be thicker but still less than twice as thick.
According to my research, real tag is .8mm (0.03149606299212599") thick.
The prop tag looks thicker than a regulation tag. .05" would be thicker but still less than twice as thick.
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superDrool
Sr Member
Too thin, maybe?
I would have guessed twice as thick, as the depth of the detail is about half the depth of the total thickness. That's where most of the tags have the issue. As I had my current steel tags engraved as far as the engraver would allow which ended up being still shallow as hell, due to so many passes on the hard steel, which normally softer metals get the treatment. So I want to say 1.0mm.
Those eBay tags I had are were beefy, but it was in a much softer metal, I'm betting they were made of pewter. I was able to bend the tag fairly easily with my fingers. So .5mm may be the best route to go for heft. As my major concern was the eventual sawing the ball chain would cause the soft metal to wear away. With that said, you may be right. But I'd like to see the two sizes against the controlled .8mm tag to tell.
I would have guessed twice as thick, as the depth of the detail is about half the depth of the total thickness. That's where most of the tags have the issue. As I had my current steel tags engraved as far as the engraver would allow which ended up being still shallow as hell, due to so many passes on the hard steel, which normally softer metals get the treatment. So I want to say 1.0mm.
Those eBay tags I had are were beefy, but it was in a much softer metal, I'm betting they were made of pewter. I was able to bend the tag fairly easily with my fingers. So .5mm may be the best route to go for heft. As my major concern was the eventual sawing the ball chain would cause the soft metal to wear away. With that said, you may be right. But I'd like to see the two sizes against the controlled .8mm tag to tell.
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
In the picture above of my BSG tags, the V4 is .09", the V2 is .11", I think the V3 is .12".
I was seaching the net and someone who makes the Wolverine XO (oval style) tags makes them 3mm which is just under .12" (the thickness between my V2 and V3).
I figure I could go anywhere between .06" and .09".
I was seaching the net and someone who makes the Wolverine XO (oval style) tags makes them 3mm which is just under .12" (the thickness between my V2 and V3).
I figure I could go anywhere between .06" and .09".
superDrool
Sr Member
Well if it's steel, just keep in mind the depth of the detail. Everything else including the aging option sounds awesome. Would you offer the tags in new form at a less expensive cost or the same as the aged version?
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
No, there will only be the one style tag. Look up a few posts to my image of the two set of BSG tags. They are both the same, just one has been worn for a week.
Basically, when you get the tag, it will look new. The "antiquing" only effects recessed areas. So that will make the text dark, which is why I am doing it. The weathering is going to happen by the owner. Since it intentionally made unplated, it is unprotected against tarnishing (at least that is the theory, remember I have only done this with brass before). You can at that point beat the crap out of it to your desire. If you wanted, you could use a metal polish and shine it back up again and restart the weatheirng process.
Basically, when you get the tag, it will look new. The "antiquing" only effects recessed areas. So that will make the text dark, which is why I am doing it. The weathering is going to happen by the owner. Since it intentionally made unplated, it is unprotected against tarnishing (at least that is the theory, remember I have only done this with brass before). You can at that point beat the crap out of it to your desire. If you wanted, you could use a metal polish and shine it back up again and restart the weatheirng process.
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