Why are the new preds such pansies?
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Robillicus
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I totally agree, and welcome to the forums!
I wasn't too wild about these new Predators being "bigger and badder." To me, it seems that they're always - and most unnecessarily - trying to out-do the previous creature. Instead of design aesthetics, they go right to size. This was most evident in AVP, as Mr. Anderson wanted his Predators to be bigger and stronger than the previous "weaker" SWS Predators (I'm only paraphrasing there; I don't think I've actually read a quote where he said that, but he came damn close).
You're right - the Predator has been built up as the galaxies deadliest creature, but then they introduce another form with the explanation "it's like comparing dogs to wolves." Oh, ok... So, as if I'm not having a hard time trying to figure out just what the new Predators are (retarded - inbred - insane - sub-breed, or all of the above??), now you're implying that the previous incarnations are wussies? Come on.
Secondly, the inclusion of the Classic Predator was great! I however, would've (like most of you) liked to have seen his story play out differently. I first thought that the new Predators beat the **** out of him, and strung him up; stripping him of his technology. Alright, so it took 3 Predators to sub-due him?? SWEET!! That was shot down thanks to the prequel comics, where I think it was mentioned that Nolan and whoever else did that. Lame. I don't think that killing off Big John (or Big Dog, depending on how well you heard Mr. Fishburne) and the Falconer so early in the film was a good idea. Infact, I think they missed on that. All 3 should've survived until Royce let the Classic Predator loose; all the while picking off Royces friends. That way, you get a good idea that they are monsters and bad-assed hunters. Ok, so anyway, once he's let loose he should've dueled with both the Falconer and Big John. I think that Hanzo should've dueled all Samurai like with the Classic Predator. I would've loved to have seen that seeing as the original design has been compared to the Samurai. THAT would've been the dogs balls. Then the Classic would battle and execute Big John. Then ofcourse the finale where the Berserker and Classic have a show-down in a battle that would make me scream with fan-boy excitement. Ofcourse, the Berserker would defeat the Classic, and turn on Royce.
You see where I was going? You kind of get that level of succession of badassedness. The Classic was a badass had he killed Falconer and Big John; then dying at the hands of the Berserker. That way, everybody gets what they want. The new Predator Mr. Black is hardcore, yet the Classic design is still powerful to this day. I dunno... sounds like a lotta fan-boy garble. Heh. I can dream can't I?
In closing, I don't think any one of the Predators were really utilized. I guess the writers didn't realize what they had at the time. Then again, that's Hollywood. In my humble opinion that is. All in all, it was a good watch; and I'm really looking forward to the Blu-Ray release so I can watch the **** out of it all fan-boy like.
Skullsplitter
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All true, and I really felt however it was nice to see another tribe and they weren't taller/bigger on screen IMO, the line Noland used just screwed the SW Predators over, while it IS the classic most fans came to love.
The Wolf/Dog thing is credible though, to a degree. Look at us humans: weaker and more fragile than most of the humanoid apes, yet we happen to be the dominant species on this planet. So I don't think we have to discard the older style predators just jet. I just hope the next film doesn't dumb down the predators any more and starts to portray them as cunning creatures again.
The Wolf/Dog thing is credible though, to a degree. Look at us humans: weaker and more fragile than most of the humanoid apes, yet we happen to be the dominant species on this planet. So I don't think we have to discard the older style predators just jet. I just hope the next film doesn't dumb down the predators any more and starts to portray them as cunning creatures again.
headdragon1
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Rob, I like your story infact I imagined it while reading it and I think it took over my memory of the movie!
If it were me only thing I would do different is I would have classic kill berserk and then turn on Royce. He could be killed by Royce because he was tied up. Then beat the other preds then had to deal with a merc. Ok he dies no biggie.
If it were me only thing I would do different is I would have classic kill berserk and then turn on Royce. He could be killed by Royce because he was tied up. Then beat the other preds then had to deal with a merc. Ok he dies no biggie.
berserk wolf
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really? who wuda thot that humans can I actually hold a Yautja Pred hostage! How'd they do that anyways?
berserk wolf
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AMEN! and funny pic by the way dude!
berserk wolf
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Although I didn't like how Mr. Black and P1 died in Preds, I liked Isabelle's reference to Arnold in the first film. Is it just me or was I the only one who really thought that Arnold would make a cameo?
berserk wolf
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"anytime. over here. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! **** happens!"
Mr Fett
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......and oddly enough, the actors used to portray the "bigger ones" are the shortest actors used as main characters in any Predator movie to date......
Deepcrush
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When I think of the Preds, I do see a decline in them. Though P1 and P2 didn't fail because of fighting inferior opponents, they died in battle , on the hunt. No matter how good you are and no matter how long you've lasted, the truth is that sooner or later you're going down.
P1 - was beaten by a two sided trap that even the trap maker didn't see. Besides this, he took out two special forces squads and unknown others before this happened. Dutch got lucky end of story but that in no way removes the score that P1 ranked up before his death.
P2 - was shot by two mags worth of pistol rounds, half a dozen shotgun rounds, possible wounds from liquid-nitro and M16s, had his arm cut off... all of this on top off losing his Bio which caused him a very noticeable breathing issue then had a Vibro-Disc rammed in his gut which cut up to his chest. Are any of you really shocked he died? Though, before they finally caught him, he killed two to three dozen well armed gangers, a cop, random people in the train shooting at him, and a Federal Task Force. Again, just like P1 this isn't really a light achievement.
AVP - I swear these preds had plastic armor! But as they were supposed to be the babies where P1&2 were adults we can ignore that for now. They were way, way over confident... not a shock since again they were just kids. They also dropped their guard which is what killed two of them. The third could have had the egg removed so not a death there but damned close. Moving on, once the last of the baby preds caught on that he had to be serious, that this was a real fight and not a cake walk. HE DID PRETTY DAMN WELL. Lets face it, a dozen Bug kills and he faced off with a queen. I know you guys saw that spinning jump spearing he did and if that wasn't cool to you, you don't deserve to speak of preds. In the end, inspite of his injuries, he and a human killed an Alien Queen in hand to hand combat. While the first two of the movie paid for their egos, Scar turned out pretty damn well. He gave his life to protect someone he felt wasn't just a worthy prey, but a worthy companion. This in the end is a great example of how an honorable hunter lives. The other preds must have agreed as they treated his body with a great deal of honor when they carried him away.
AVP2 - Some people like Wolf I know but I find him a joke, this is a bit long so bare with me. First thing I recalled after thinking about the movie was this. He walked around mindlessly killing anything he came across. This not only violated the Pred's honor but also their basic battle tactic. NEVER LET THE BUGS SPREAD. His first mission should have been to nuke the town, then hunt the surrounding area for surviving bugs. While I will admit that he showed some good mix with weapons... that was it. It wasn't him, it wasn't the Pred facing his prey in open combat... It was his weapons, laser trip mines, auto locking plasma caster, spike rounds... The other more impressive preds used some of these, but they didn't rely on them. This was the opening fall of Wolf. P1 and P2 used their plasma casters to deal with quick issues that didn't warrant their true concern anymore. Scar used his to take out a small horde of Bugs charging him. Wolf was pinned within a few seconds of fighting his first hand to hand fight. I get that the movie was trying to be more impressive by giving him a big armory to play with. But in the end, it took more away then it gave. If Wolf had been all along what Scar was at his end, then I would have been impressed. If Wolf had fought a running battle through the town, killing Bugs and planting charges to cleanse the area... then warned and guarded the escape of those few survivors of a town that his people are responsible for endangering... That would have impressed me. That would have been the prime example of a Hunter's Honor. Not only to kill the great prey, not to have shown great skill, not only to have done something truly honorable such as fixing a mistake that cost so many others so dearly. But to do all of it. If Wolf had died fighting in the center of the town baiting the Bugs to him to make sure they were all within reach of the blast. That would have made his death a good one. So, in one long winded rant we have two possible story lines that would have fit better to the Pred universe.
RR Predators - I admit I haven't seen it but from what I hear it is less then impressive.
P1 - was beaten by a two sided trap that even the trap maker didn't see. Besides this, he took out two special forces squads and unknown others before this happened. Dutch got lucky end of story but that in no way removes the score that P1 ranked up before his death.
P2 - was shot by two mags worth of pistol rounds, half a dozen shotgun rounds, possible wounds from liquid-nitro and M16s, had his arm cut off... all of this on top off losing his Bio which caused him a very noticeable breathing issue then had a Vibro-Disc rammed in his gut which cut up to his chest. Are any of you really shocked he died? Though, before they finally caught him, he killed two to three dozen well armed gangers, a cop, random people in the train shooting at him, and a Federal Task Force. Again, just like P1 this isn't really a light achievement.
AVP - I swear these preds had plastic armor! But as they were supposed to be the babies where P1&2 were adults we can ignore that for now. They were way, way over confident... not a shock since again they were just kids. They also dropped their guard which is what killed two of them. The third could have had the egg removed so not a death there but damned close. Moving on, once the last of the baby preds caught on that he had to be serious, that this was a real fight and not a cake walk. HE DID PRETTY DAMN WELL. Lets face it, a dozen Bug kills and he faced off with a queen. I know you guys saw that spinning jump spearing he did and if that wasn't cool to you, you don't deserve to speak of preds. In the end, inspite of his injuries, he and a human killed an Alien Queen in hand to hand combat. While the first two of the movie paid for their egos, Scar turned out pretty damn well. He gave his life to protect someone he felt wasn't just a worthy prey, but a worthy companion. This in the end is a great example of how an honorable hunter lives. The other preds must have agreed as they treated his body with a great deal of honor when they carried him away.
AVP2 - Some people like Wolf I know but I find him a joke, this is a bit long so bare with me. First thing I recalled after thinking about the movie was this. He walked around mindlessly killing anything he came across. This not only violated the Pred's honor but also their basic battle tactic. NEVER LET THE BUGS SPREAD. His first mission should have been to nuke the town, then hunt the surrounding area for surviving bugs. While I will admit that he showed some good mix with weapons... that was it. It wasn't him, it wasn't the Pred facing his prey in open combat... It was his weapons, laser trip mines, auto locking plasma caster, spike rounds... The other more impressive preds used some of these, but they didn't rely on them. This was the opening fall of Wolf. P1 and P2 used their plasma casters to deal with quick issues that didn't warrant their true concern anymore. Scar used his to take out a small horde of Bugs charging him. Wolf was pinned within a few seconds of fighting his first hand to hand fight. I get that the movie was trying to be more impressive by giving him a big armory to play with. But in the end, it took more away then it gave. If Wolf had been all along what Scar was at his end, then I would have been impressed. If Wolf had fought a running battle through the town, killing Bugs and planting charges to cleanse the area... then warned and guarded the escape of those few survivors of a town that his people are responsible for endangering... That would have impressed me. That would have been the prime example of a Hunter's Honor. Not only to kill the great prey, not to have shown great skill, not only to have done something truly honorable such as fixing a mistake that cost so many others so dearly. But to do all of it. If Wolf had died fighting in the center of the town baiting the Bugs to him to make sure they were all within reach of the blast. That would have made his death a good one. So, in one long winded rant we have two possible story lines that would have fit better to the Pred universe.
RR Predators - I admit I haven't seen it but from what I hear it is less then impressive.
MasterSafara
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The problem with the new movies, in my opinion, is the audience it's aimed at. P1 was more of an action movie than a sci-fi, purely because until right at the end you don't really get to see the Pred without the cloak or bio on. For AVP, AVP:R and PS, they're trying to Sci-Fi them up too much.
A team of hunters always has to be bested during the movie, until it's a 1 on 1 fight at the end. Hollywood can't deal with doing anything differently, because the uneducated masses complain that it's weird. They want the humans to win because, hey, we're all human and that's US on the screen. I'd rather watch the Predators win, because they're awesome.
As for AVP and AVP:R, They're good, but VERY Hollywood. I can understand why they included him, but having one character there to explain the backstory and then die is just plain insulting. They could have revealed more in the extra media, like comic books or novels, instead of dumping the whole story on us in one lump, leaving nothing to the imagination.
AVP:R just needed better lighting. Had it not been shot in the damn dark all the time, it would have been so much better. Though, they probably chose to shoot it at night because otherwise it would have gotten a higher age rating and wouldn't have made as much money. The ending to AVP:R SUCKS. The Pred should have disposed of the predalien and made a race-against-time style run to his ship before the nuke hit, surely his arm computer could have warned him of the incoming jet armed with a friggin' nuke.
My biggest problem with Predators is that the big ones have NEVER been mentioned before, the standard predators were always seen as the biggest and baddest hunters of them all, so why make bigger ones? It doesn't make sense to suddenly add new ones in. If the black predators are now the big bad ultimate hunters, how the HELL did the classic preds make it that far? Surely the big ones would have hunted them to extinction and stopped them from developing the technology.
Meh, just my opinion, really.
Also, Hi! I'm new here, I posted in the intro thread a few days ago.
I agree partly. I think it's okay to introduce a new breed of Predators. But the way RR and crew did it was bad. It contradicted their own story. I don't see how the super Predators are proclaimed the biggest and the baddest yet they die so easily. Not how fast they die in the film itself even though I do think the super predators were killed to fast as well. What I mean by "die easily" is for example Falconer dying by a yakuza with a sword (a guy who not to mention is missing one apendage on his hand) and of course Beserker Predator. The way he died by Royce was a joke. I understand why it was done. Hollywood has to cater to an audience that likes to see thier own race (humans) win, but it does not make sense for the methology of the Predator race to lose to humans so easily. If you think about the way the first two films were scripted, the Predators killed tons of humans before finally losing to one.
Furthermore, the classic Predator didn't even need to be included in the story. It was a waste in my opinion. He didn't help the humans or himself for that matter. His role was simply scripted to die. RR and company paid tribute to the original in many other ways which I've said before and will say again I did not like cause it made the movie feel like a knockoff but killing a classic Predator and giving him no real purpose in the film other than death is actually the ultimate form of disrespect to the original. I'd also like to point out that for RR and crew to not even acknowledge Predator 2 as the sequel by trying to replace it is also disrespectful. Their goal has failed in my opinion and rightfully so with those intentions in mind. Predator 2 is the sequel to Predator NOT PREDATORS!
The main point you made I'd like to add my thoughts. The newer films are too heavily sci-fi based. The original Predator did seem like more of an action flick with an added sci-fi twist to it which was the alien creature that hunted Dutche's special forces team - the Predator. The newer films should be sci-fi based because let's face it the characters the films are based upon (aliens & predators) are fictional characters and science fictional based characters at that originating from worlds unknown in the far reaches of outer space. But in the newer movies the aliens and predators are given too much of screen time at the wrong times. They weren't able to capture the way Predator and Predator 2 teased us with the Predator creature throughout the film and finally revealing him at the end. Now I know people will immedately think of PREDATORS and how those Predators were not given enough screen time. Well your right. The movie seemed short and the Predators didn't seem to have much purpose other than scenes of one on one vs humans. Really it's the script that was writen for PREDATORS. It was horrible. Predator and Predators 2 found a way to base their stories around a human ie Dutch and Leiutenant Harrigan and include the Predator in it without revealing too much of the Predator and at the same time just enough. Just enough screen time and at the right times. Predator we saw Dutch and team take care of business throughout much of the film with the Predator lurking around and finally being fully revealed at the end. Predator 2 we saw Harrigan and team fighting gang wars and investigating murders and crime scenes throughout much of the film with the Predator getting in the way while never being seen. He too was also fully revealed at the end beginning in the meat factory. Those two films revealed just enough at the right times but not too much. Just teasers throughout making you wish they'd given you more of the Predator. And when you finally get to see him at the end it's just awesome.
The recent films like AVP and AVPR and even PREDATORS we're seeing the Predators too much and at the same time not enough. Let me explain.
AVP we see the Preds preparing to hunt. They get ready in their ship before being shuttled to earth/antarctica in their individual pods. It reminded me of Batman Forever or Batman & Robin (can't remember which one exactly maybe both) when they get ready and poke fun at the bat suits and show their asses etc. like a joke. Another example is the Batgirl suit for Alicia Silverstone the breastes' to the suit are shown as a joke. Ugh the scenes were retarted and I didn't really enjoy the way it was portrayed in AVP either. Anyway... the Predators are seen hunting the drilling team which was pretty cool. Next we see them walking into the pyramid. When we see them again Chopper is already pretty much dead, but we did get to see him cloak kick Lex! Hurray! Celtic has a retarted fight with Grid and loses. And then we're left with Scar mossying around for the rest of the film. The next best parts of that movie is seeing Scar break the chestbusters neck after it pops from Sebastian and the final battle scene with the queen was the **** too. Best part of the movie by far. But this movie was too heavily focused on following the Predators but they also screwed up because the Predators were not envolved enough because 2 of them were killed too quickly and at the same time there was no suspense because we were shown to predators too much. Since the movie was more sci-fi based than action it warranted following the youngblood Predators' story a little more than in the previous films. It was also the way of the story; the way it was scripted. Think back again to Predator and Predator 2. The right time and place throughout like teasers and fully revealed at the end. I'm not the best story writer so I don't have a script in mind to share at the moment, but this is what I'd have liked to see AVP do. AVP could have been so much darker if it were rated R.
AVPR we followed Wolf. But before Wolf we saw the PredAlien Hybrid born from Scar. One of the Preds was dumb enough to fire his cannon inside the ship. Which blew a hole in the side of it causing the ship to immediately come crashing down to Colorado earth. Wouldn't you have to hit the cockpit and **** up the controls to damage the ship enough to result in a crash?I don't know. Anyway... Wolf is called to clean up via the distress signal to the crashed ship. From there Wolf is seen too much throughout the film tracking the aliens all the way with humans getting in his way; once again leaving little room for surprise and suspense. Too much screen time at the wrong times. No teasers. Also the lighting sucked. There's ways to successfully film in the dark. But the Bros. Strause are amatures so what do you expect?
PREDATORS we see all three Predators attack the group of lost humans after the humans enter the death camp. The predators are fully revealed after the humans elude every shot fired by the "super predators" by luck I guess and Falconers hawk tracks them moving along the river. Too soon. And not enough. Next you see Tracker die fairly quickly. Falconer loses to Hanzo. And SBP takes the lead from there. I forgot to mention how the group stumbles upon classic predator in the death camp. He serves no other pupose other than being tied up and ultimately dying.
To summerize these last three films were too heavily focused on sci-fi following the Predators too closely and at the wrong times all the while killing their predator characters too soon not giving them the proper screen time. They did have a good amount of action in them, but since they were completely sci-fi'ed out they didn't feel like action flicks. Just purley sci-fi. Hey that's their faults not mine. I know it's a contradiction continuing to say show too much then complain it's not enough, but it's based of the scripts of these horrible movies. Predator and Predator 2 did it just right giving audiences things they'd never seen before with the element of surprise. They also focused the right amount of time on humans with Predators involved. I guess what it comes down to is the classic films had better scripts. And Hollywood these days will conceive any old idea.
syldar
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havent read through every post here so i may have missed it if people have mentioned it.
Does anyone else think that the pred that fights hanzo move around during that fight exactly how his costume allowed the actor inside to move. His movement reminded me of people that are in there first costume at a con and are awkwardly moving about in an unnatural manner according to the costume (mainly because they cant see a thing and are so cumbered down byt the weight of the costume).
In that fight as well it seemed that they were more than evenly matched (hanzo looked more professional), even though the pred is bigger and possibly faster and a lot stronger; having to deal with fast prey a great deal.
All of the new preds in my honest opinion are complete pansies. At least in AVP they had an excuse for getting wiped faster due to things not going according to plan as they should have. AVPR - He seemed blind compared to preds in the other films - not able to see aliens until the last minute though a seasoned hunter (im assuming as he is clean up crew and a loner going to do so, so he must be badass right ?).
Then Predators - 3 of the supposedly nastiest preds yet defeated by simple means. Surely after spending several seasons fighting humans they would understand how we completely work. There were a few nice touches in the film but the preds being seen as so overly underpowered and stupid way of approaching the humans made them just appear very unimpressive.
Though a cool feature i think the hawk is more of a cheat instead of relying on basic tracking.
my 2c
Does anyone else think that the pred that fights hanzo move around during that fight exactly how his costume allowed the actor inside to move. His movement reminded me of people that are in there first costume at a con and are awkwardly moving about in an unnatural manner according to the costume (mainly because they cant see a thing and are so cumbered down byt the weight of the costume).
In that fight as well it seemed that they were more than evenly matched (hanzo looked more professional), even though the pred is bigger and possibly faster and a lot stronger; having to deal with fast prey a great deal.
All of the new preds in my honest opinion are complete pansies. At least in AVP they had an excuse for getting wiped faster due to things not going according to plan as they should have. AVPR - He seemed blind compared to preds in the other films - not able to see aliens until the last minute though a seasoned hunter (im assuming as he is clean up crew and a loner going to do so, so he must be badass right ?).
Then Predators - 3 of the supposedly nastiest preds yet defeated by simple means. Surely after spending several seasons fighting humans they would understand how we completely work. There were a few nice touches in the film but the preds being seen as so overly underpowered and stupid way of approaching the humans made them just appear very unimpressive.
Though a cool feature i think the hawk is more of a cheat instead of relying on basic tracking.
my 2c
predator666
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Maybe this explains it a bit better....
Not scary
And apparently stupid
Not scary
And apparently stupid
headdragon1
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I dont know. You have some valid points for sure. However, if all 5 movies were to have the predator stalk the entire time I think the audience would lose interest in the film series as a whole. In Predators I could see having them cloaked a little more which they did since it was a stand alone pred movie.
AVP and AVP-R however we have to remember they are not pred movies. They have preds in them but they are based out of comics. I dont care what people want to think but those movies were born because somewhere people wrote comics putting the two together. Now when you go back and look at the comics and some of them are awesome the preds are shown in the comics quite a LOT! So show them. Once you cross the two together its no longer a action film or a suspense film it becomes a bug and alien movie which is a scifi action movie.
I think over all it was just poor writing and we dont have a shock factor from the first one. Think about it. The order people like the movies usually P1 becuase it was the original and everyone was shocked and awed. Then usually they say P2 sucked compared. The movie is pretty much the same movie but you dont get the shock and awe. Then comes AVP horrible writing and everyone says it sucked balls but we got cool preds! WE did get shock and awe again. Same thing for AVP-R, Now RR preds comes out some shock and awe(as in SBP face sucks) some people rate it as #2 in the series. What fanboys are wanting is that shock and awe and thats hard to write in. once you have seen the pred after that seeing him more in a movie to me would be ideal. I know what he is and want to see him own face. The stalking can happen but it isnt a necessity.
Whats up bros. I was fefinitely caught off guard with the new preds and even more with the rivalry between the clans. I am an original fan and I love the original design and character of the p1s. I had always thought to myself how cool it would be if someone had created a new pred. same original design, and character base, but with cool designs to the bio and different almost futuristic midevil battle armor and I was pleased with the preds in AVP. When I saw the movie my heart lept when I saw the new preds and celtic hunter became my favorite, it looked so badass. He looked awesome kicking the grids ass And then I was crushed when he died. I totaly agree that the preds died to soon to easy and in the movie showed a weekness that they do not have.
I'd rather stay with the original predator character and just pursue all angles from that story line. preds, weapons, elders, ect.
I'd also like to stick with the same skintones of the original preds. Makes good comparisons between weak humans and the ultimate
hunters of the universe. The true top of the food chain.
I'd rather stay with the original predator character and just pursue all angles from that story line. preds, weapons, elders, ect.
I'd also like to stick with the same skintones of the original preds. Makes good comparisons between weak humans and the ultimate
hunters of the universe. The true top of the food chain.
Deepcrush
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To be honest, what I liked most about the preds from AVP was their faults. They behaved very much as I'd expect a group of kids to behave on their first hunts.
For me the movies are, in terms of my personal liking, the same as their order of release.
P1 - new and fun
P2 - pretty fair followup
AVP - finally some back story
AVP2 - one over eager pred killing for whatever. cool toys though.
RRPs - just crap.
For me the movies are, in terms of my personal liking, the same as their order of release.
P1 - new and fun
P2 - pretty fair followup
AVP - finally some back story
AVP2 - one over eager pred killing for whatever. cool toys though.
RRPs - just crap.
hellonearth
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so, you've seen it obviously now right? PREDATORS
A Hunters Moon
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If you've picked up the new neca toys they have a blurb on back about each. Apparently Berserker was the only battle worn vet while Falconer and Tracker were young bloods. I guess this could be a reason why they died so easily. Though I still think the wussiness of the new preds comes down to weak writing every time.
I was under the impression that in AVP that it wasn't thier first hunt but rather the ultimate test to prove them worthy of wearing the mark of the clan.
Scar was just awesome how he sensed the pred behind him and cut its head off and used the shiriken like and apendage. If the writers were trying to
make it look like it was thier first hunt then yeah, but the story made it look different to me. What your saying makes sense though.
Scar was just awesome how he sensed the pred behind him and cut its head off and used the shiriken like and apendage. If the writers were trying to
make it look like it was thier first hunt then yeah, but the story made it look different to me. What your saying makes sense though.
