Why are the new preds such pansies?

Oh, and it could have been worse. Isabelle could have been cast as an angsty woman trying to decide between the affections of a pale-faced Brody, who is never seen in the sunlight because he'd sparkle all the time, and a shirtless Noland, who gets furry and starts howling at the full moon. Then there'd be two hours of dialogue and angst, followed by about four minutes of actual action.

Sorry. I just like to rip on Twilight. I'll leave you with the image of a shirtless Laurence Fishburne howling at the moon.
 
ok but when noland gives a little insight in the movie he explains they always come in 3 even after 1 or 2 die they come back with 3, different armor new weapons etc, whats to say that the new predators are just like the AVP ones where they go to get their kills to prove to their peers that they are worthy of rank? either way each movie had different circumstances and basing the new ones with the old doesn't make sense. They were all pretty bad ass in my opinion.
 
Wolf killed quite a few, but still got offed by a bug and a bomb :)


I would love to see a Pred film made....

With one predator
Who is an athlete (swinging from trees, jumping over logs, racing to high ground, etc) instead of the lumber-some beasts recently.
Who plays mind games with his prey; messes with the minds of his enemies; getting them to turn on each other, etc.
Who is bad to the bone and bad ass scary. You know what it takes to scare people these days? He needs to be ruthless and calculating.
Who is the last one standing at the end of the film.... not the human hero. He dies.... by the hand of our Predator. Nobody would see that coming after the last 5 stereotypical endings.

People would flock back to the theater in droves to see him in the sequel. At least I would think so.

This is a battle scarred and grizzled veteran, who ..when he is approached by someone wanting to "make a deal", skins the person while they are still alive and leaves them hanging upside down screaming with no skin.
Who takes the arm of a victim (ala Apollo Creed) but leaves them alive to fear another day.
Who invades the humans camps at night, but only cuts all of their hair off so that they awake knowing that they can no longer sleep ....at all. Ever.

Or something like that :D
 
JehdinThwei said:
Wolf killed quite a few, but still got offed by a bug and a bomb :)
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A 14ft tall bug, and a nuke that destroyed the whole city. :D
But yeah, there was a similar request by Estelle, and apparently, the comic Predator: South China Sea gives you one bad ass predator.
I'd love to see the main human hero get offed by the predator. It would add an awesome twist to the movie and make us realize that the predator was actually the star/main character of the film all along. Then show him walking into his ship and getting prepared to leave. A film that shows us how a successful hunt ends when you put a predator who knows what he's doing as the lead hunter. Not that the P1, P2, or whoever didn't know what they were doing.

My opinion about the thread topic-
I totally agree with the panzyfication. While the dogs and the falcon cam were cool, new toys, they did leave an unfair advantage for the 'prey'
Did P1 have any dogs helping him distract people? No, he used playbacks to screw with their minds instead.
P2 have a camera that surveys LA to help him find Harrigan? No, he tracked him down himself, like a real hunter tracking deer.
My point is, the extra help made them look weak, like they weren't capable as hunters as the ones in the past films.

I think they should just make a film with an elder hunting down 3 badbloods that escaped to hunt humans, beating their asses all over the planet, and go home after a good day of work.
If they play their cards right, everyone will go home happy from the theater.
 
Yes, I want to see a Predator making his/her prey going insane from the playbacks. Holding their head screaming. I can hear it now, "Want some candy? Want some candy? Want some candy? Want some candy? Want some candy?". :)
 
Hey when you do DNA experiments on yourself there has to be downsides to it as well because if they are using DNA from killed prey, it would probably make them just as killable as something they killed.
 
As long as the Predator keeps losing in the end he isn’t much of an ultimate hunter is he? But that’s not limited to Predator movies. Michael Myers has no problem killing everyone between him and his sister, but somehow she always manages to best him. Jason Voorhees kills everyone except the last scary girl. That’s just how movies works. Like someone else said, one ninja is unstoppable and army of ninjas is cannon fodder. That makes as much sense as the Chewbacca defense.

Even P1, the best Predator evah, lost to an opponent who deduced his lack of normal vision within a day (and basically 15 minutes after he finally saw what was after him) and used it in his advantage. The Predator stalked the humans for days ,weeks maybe months and even years. So no matter how much you debate the supremacy of a Predator, movie Predators have always lost to an inferior opponent. But that’s the fate of any movie villain isn’t it?

However fans can always find ways why a Predator IS badass. Maybe Underbite did only kill one death row inmate in the movie, he might have killed countless humans and other Predators off-screen.
 
To be fair to all the Predator sequels, every sequel forces itself to answer to the raised expectations of an established audience. In the first Predator, you don't know completely what the thing looks like or what it can fully do. You have a good idea by the end of the film. From then on, the stakes are raised, you have to get bigger and hopefully better otherwise it's just a rehash of the same as the first.

Good sci fi asks a question of the human condition. What does it mean to be human? What does it mean to lose your humanity? There are only so many ways to cover that question while adhering to the "rules" of the universe you set.

The Wolf has a double cannon system and a whip and two throwing stars because it has to up the ante on what a Predator has in it's arsenal. Same for the falcon and dogs for the recent Predators. The number of Predators change, i.e. more than 1 for lots of reason. There are story reasons, more than one opens up your storytelling options. Then there's simply merchandising. I can sell 5-6 different bio mask collectibles with AVP instead of the one with P1. Look at the Star Wars Universe, some alien with a knobby head who gets half a second of screen time gets his own action figure, his own poster, his own mug, his own statue and on and on and on.

And something no one wants to hear is most of us, I'm guessing, were a lot younger in the 80s when Predator 1 came out. There's a nostalgia factor at work when you think about the stuff you really loved when you were young and nothing new is going to compare to it ever. Nostalgia is about a better simpler time in your life, associated with other good memories. This is how the basic LCS ( local comic shop) used to survive, to fill the store with old Transformers and comic books and movie stands from 20 years ago to try to immerse the customer with the "experience" of something in the past.

The new rule for movies and TV now is the "ensemble" set up. I think part of it is the increased production values of movies and TV. Things just look better and are more polished ( though sometimes lacks the raw grittiness, hope and creativity of the 80s) which takes more time and money and means more of a cast to spread out the work. I think the other issue is no production wants to be held hostage anymore with situations like David Duchovny or Sarah Michelle Gellar or any other single star choking out a franchise. We, as fans, were punished over and over in the Alien films by the demands of Sigourney "Sure, I want to have sex with an Alien on camera and I think it's a great idea" Weaver.

I take the new films with a grain of salt. They really aren't going to break new and unexplored ground with this franchise. I wish they did and could, but part of the limitations of a great franchise is it starts to paint itself into certain creative corners as a natural course.

We can hope for better with a Predators sequel.
 
Elkman said:
Oh, and it could have been worse. Isabelle could have been cast as an angsty woman trying to decide between the affections of a pale-faced Brody, who is never seen in the sunlight because he'd sparkle all the time, and a shirtless Noland, who gets furry and starts howling at the full moon. Then there'd be two hours of dialogue and angst, followed by about four minutes of actual action.

Sorry. I just like to rip on Twilight. I'll leave you with the image of a shirtless Laurence Fishburne howling at the moon.
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haha sorry for not actually posting anything about this topic and going off topic but i love this comment haha yeah i hate twilight iv never watched one of the movies,i got offered to for free when i promoted predators in my suit but i didnt want to
 
Extreme Gravity said:
A 14ft tall bug, and a nuke that destroyed the whole city. :cry:
But yeah, there was a similar request by Estelle, and apparently, the comic Predator: South China Sea gives you one bad ass predator.
I'd love to see the main human hero get offed by the predator. It would add an awesome twist to the movie and make us realize that the predator was actually the star/main character of the film all along. Then show him walking into his ship and getting prepared to leave. A film that shows us how a successful hunt ends when you put a predator who knows what he's doing as the lead hunter. Not that the P1, P2, or whoever didn't know what they were doing.

My opinion about the thread topic-
I totally agree with the panzyfication. While the dogs and the falcon cam were cool, new toys, they did leave an unfair advantage for the 'prey'
Did P1 have any dogs helping him distract people? No, he used playbacks to screw with their minds instead.
P2 have a camera that surveys LA to help him find Harrigan? No, he tracked him down himself, like a real hunter tracking deer.
My point is, the extra help made them look weak, like they weren't capable as hunters as the ones in the past films.

I think they should just make a film with an elder hunting down 3 badbloods that escaped to hunt humans, beating their asses all over the planet, and go home after a good day of work.
If they play their cards right, everyone will go home happy from the theater.
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I love your thinking. Let's do this movie!

I was thinking today a Predator with minimal armour, no bio (except a gas/face mask like on the roof in P2)... ranked just below an elder or maybe even an elder. Has wraps on his arms and legs etc instead of all the armour (gotta have wrist knives though)

And, to make his hunt more difficult, he uses weapons from fallen foes..

I imagined a WW2-era scenario, with the pred cleverly hunting people down with old rifles and **** he'd picked up from dead soldiers (as well has his own knives and spears etc)

I've just given myself an idea for my costume ... :)

Subtlety is lost on every predator movie since P2 (acting aside, nothing subtle about that) and that's what makes the films interesting, exciting and clever without having to resort to screwing with the formula too much (ala ipood predators, predators created the pyramids, etc etc)
 
Extreme Gravity said:
But yeah, there was a similar request by Estelle, and apparently, the comic Predator: South China Sea gives you one bad ass predator.
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I totally agree with your entire post. One little item is that South China Sea is a novel. 340 something pages, and an incredible read. I recommend it!!
 
RyleyMA61 said:
I love your thinking. Let's do this movie!

I was thinking today a Predator with minimal armour, no bio (except a gas/face mask like on the roof in P2)... ranked just below an elder or maybe even an elder. Has wraps on his arms and legs etc instead of all the armour (gotta have wrist knives though)

And, to make his hunt more difficult, he uses weapons from fallen foes..

I imagined a WW2-era scenario, with the pred cleverly hunting people down with old rifles and **** he'd picked up from dead soldiers (as well has his own knives and spears etc)

I've just given myself an idea for my costume ... :)

Subtlety is lost on every predator movie since P2 (acting aside, nothing subtle about that) and that's what makes the films interesting, exciting and clever without having to resort to screwing with the formula too much (ala ipood predators, predators created the pyramids, etc etc)
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There is an elder that was depicted like that, except his only weapons were a pair of wristblades, nothing else. What I was thinking that if they made the 3 new guys actually part of a badblood clan that has been illegally been bringing species on a game planet to hunt, a lone predator cruising by, going to his destination, sends a signal to his clan ship about it. This results in an all out predator clan war, but the lawful clan isn't depicted as heroes. Just more Predators for Royce and Isabelle to deal with.


JehdinThwei said:
I totally agree with your entire post. One little item is that South China Sea is a novel. 340 something pages, and an incredible read. I recommend it!!
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Oops, but hey! That just means more pred action for us.
 
The pred that got blown up was bit of a stupid death but the other pred dying in a 1v1 against the Yakuza was great. They both died an honourable death and i wasnt like "damm pred killed by a human in a swordfight"

Tbh when looking at the movie you could tell they were badass preds and that the same ones were doing it for a while. The deathcount we seen from them was low Then again when compared to P1 there can be some debates aswell lol.

P1 killed nearly all of em from camouflage and 2 from behind wich is smart but cant really be called badass cus he wasted the pros by shootin/stabbing em in the back. Not dissing on P1 btw but more like defending the latest movie cus im glad we finally got a decent one after the horrors wich is AVP.
 
Maelstorm said:
P1 killed nearly all of em from camouflage and 2 from behind wich is smart but cant really be called badass cus he wasted the pros by shootin/stabbing em in the back. Not dissing on P1 btw but more like defending the latest movie cus im glad we finally got a decent one after the horrors wich is AVP.
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I always wondered why people thought the P1 was so honorable and had a code of honor in killing when he did this. He stayed camoed for almost every kill. in fact i think he was camoed for every kill. The only one you can be sure on was Billy. Right?

as for the new preds. I think they were pretty lame. Their body count wasnt that great but we dont know how many seasons those three had been hunting so their body count could been good? So I dunno I just dont wanna like them cause the SBP face was so crappy. other than that I enjoyed the hell outta that movie!
 
I think it just really all comes down to badly written an acted Preds. Period. If we were to take in all the films as a whole and pass judgment, as we've done in this thread so far, I think there's no question that the new Preds were the pussycats of the universe.

I mean, come on, had they even made a kill before landing on the planet? Even then it's not an excuses. They train all their lives for the hunt. The three of them should have slaughtered the humans without a doubt. A five year old human child with a shoulder cannon would have been more impressive to me.
 
IMO P1 and P2 hold true to the name of Hunters/Predators.
A: They Stalked their prey (we do it, tigers do it, lions do it etc.)
B: They attacked when they new they could get a clean kill (we do it, lions do it etc.)
C: They didn't kill the sick or the weak (unarmed, pregnant or sick), most other Predators/hunters take advantage of that.

Since the AVP stuff came out, the Preds are no longer hunters/predators. They are just big tough, well some of them anyway, cool looking aliens (not xeno's but alien to us).

As mentioned earlier the P1 movie had the advantage of the audience not knowing what the hell was going on. Since then we knew the Pred and what it's 'game' was.

As for all the new preds being pussies, well I have to admit the bulk of them die (except Wolf) pretty easily/quickly without racking up many if any (chopper) kills, but they all die in the end. I just think they aren't as good at their trade as P1 and P2.
 
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