Westworld (HBO)

A great episode of \W/ last night. An incredible ending. She’s PO’d now! I can’t wait to see whose emerging from the robot tank! Teddy? Hale? WILLIAM!? I loved the industrial robot and the borrowed sound effect from Oblivion. I’m not sure what the point was to have Maeve beat up all the Nazis. We also learned some history about William. Also, wasn’t this character (I can’t remember his name) the guy that escorted William to his therapy treatment?
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Well Samurai Delores kicked her ass and ran her through with a Katana... so maybe she figured she needed the practice.

Some good moments in this one. I particularly like the clues etc. relating to each Delores now being their own entity now that they have diverged... and really changed pretty significantly with Hale really taking to the Mother role... it reminded me of Maeve being tied to her role as a Mother so strongly that it crossed her loops.

The Man in black/William/Billy stuff was a bit out of nowhere. It will probably make sense later, but in this episode it was kind of out of place... and you knew when we saw that big red bot in the beginning of the season - it was going to show up later :)

Jedi Dade
 
I liked the therapy session with all of the different Williams and I figured something was up because he had all of his fingers.

Has any one else noticed or even cared that after the first season where just about everyone had nude scenes, that since then they are very few and far between. Yes they still have them because it is HBO and they are supposed to but not so much with the stars. The one with Deloris in this episode was similar to what they did in season 1 but uses her hair to cover her up while the one with Maeve earlier in the season look like shots that had been done in the first season.
 
AJK001 said:
I liked the therapy session with all of the different Williams and I figured something was up because he had all of his fingers.

Has any one else noticed or even cared that after the first season where just about everyone had nude scenes, that since then they are very few and far between. Yes they still have them because it is HBO and they are supposed to but not so much with the stars. The one with Deloris in this episode was similar to what they did in season 1 but uses her hair to cover her up while the one with Maeve earlier in the season look like shots that had been done in the first season.
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I think this is a conscious choice from the show - and a good one (although I admit I like nudity as much as the next person), I think the nudity from the hosts is to represent that we don't treat them as human. the "Humans" are usually clothed - but the hosts are had no humility/vanity/feelings and were just "things" so they did not need to be treated with any dignity. since then the Hosts have been asserting themselves as real people after a fashion and the nudity has gone way down as a result. Its actually one of the very few instances where the nudity in a show was a valid story telling device. My opinion obviously, but as you've noted its a dramatic change from season 1, and I think its a conscious one.

Jedi Dade
 
Jedi Dade said:
I think this is a conscious choice from the show - and a good one (although I admit I like nudity as much as the next person), I think the nudity from the hosts is to represent that we don't treat them as human. the "Humans" are usually clothed - but the hosts are had no humility/vanity/feelings and were just "things" so they did not need to be treated with any dignity. since then the Hosts have been asserting themselves as real people after a fashion and the nudity has gone way down as a result. Its actually one of the very few instances where the nudity in a show was a valid story telling device. My opinion obviously, but as you've noted its a dramatic change from season 1, and I think its a conscious one.

Jedi Dade
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That makes sense. If I remember correctly there was one scene in season 1 where Ford, or one of the techs, asked why the host was clothed during an interview. I think the scene where Maeve comes out of the tank is a good example of that, in season 1 they would have shown everything while in this episode they only showed her feet and from the shoulders up. Of course this could be the actress no longer willing to do a nude scene and having the clout to back it up.
 
That just means the revolution will be going on for multiple seasons as I don't see how they can resolve it in 2 episodes.
 
Sure they could... We could find out that the world crashes and burns... then the camera pans out revealing that its all a rehoboam simulation and that Serac now starts a plan to Prevent Delores/Caleb/Bernard from hooking up... and all this happens for real - Next Season.

I don't think that will happen - but it could in the next 2 eps.

Jedi Dade
 
So I have read a bunch of reviews etc. about last nights episode and I've seen it mentioned a couple of time but nobody explored it... Did you notice that it was Solomon NOT Rehoboam that was making the predictions etc... I wonder if we are seeing another time loop here where solomon is making bad predictions and Rehoboam is making good ones, and we're seeing select pieces of each prediction and some version of "reality". and after the season is over we will have to piece it back together to see what part is what... Just a thought.

Jedi Dade
 
Poor Caleb. In an earlier episode he told Dolores she was the first real thing that happened in his life in a long time. It turns out she's been manipulating him from the start.

Something that has bothered me was that Dolores didn't get injured that much in the first episode but almost died. Since then, the hosts have been taking bullets left and right and get blown up and don’t die. And she conveniently came back to life in that ambulance pretty quickly. But I think that was all an act to get Caleb on her side. She had access to Rehoboam (Or Solomon) and the list of Undesirables and Caleb was her best-case-scenario to catalyze humans destroying themselves. So I think she orchestrated him being at that park at that time so she could run into him.
 
Or... she recognized Caleb as the one being most like her. Being reprogrammed to kill someone she cared for... Arnold in her case - Francis in his. and then reprogrammed again - but she broke out and Caleb is about to... She "woke up" and destroyed westworld - he'll "wake up" and destroy the real world... just a thought on the parallels between the two character arcs.

Jedi Dade
 
Jedi Dade said:
So I have read a bunch of reviews etc. about last nights episode and I've seen it mentioned a couple of time but nobody explored it... Did you notice that it was Solomon NOT Rehoboam that was making the predictions etc... I wonder if we are seeing another time loop here where solomon is making bad predictions and Rehoboam is making good ones, and we're seeing select pieces of each prediction and some version of "reality". and after the season is over we will have to piece it back together to see what part is what... Just a thought.

Jedi Dade
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It was clearly stated that Solomon was the first AI they built, and it took on some of the...issues...that Jean Mi had...namely, the AI became schizophrenic. It’s strategies weren’t what Sirac was looking for, so he essentially pulled the plug on Solomon and left it to tend to all of the outliers. Sirac then built Rehoboam.

Dolores wants Solomon’s strategy that it formulated before it was taken offline. My guess is that strategy is the type of strategy where the only way to save the world is to kill all humans.

Solomon was the father of Rehoboam in the Bible.
 
That strategy though is based on the premise that they were trying to make the world the best it can be for the most humans... which is why the outliers were a problem... the solution being to remove the outliers...

Also I appreciate the Bible lesson - even though I already new that fact... In addition to that fact though- Rehoboam was a BAD King, making poor decisions - and Solomon was well -- Solomon... making wise decisions. Maybe Solomon was the "better" computer telling truth that this plan to control humanity in this manner was doomed to failure. Making Rehoboam the "Bad" computer making poor decisions...

Jedi Dade
 
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