I missed this the first time through. Did you not catch Agatha calling the head witch "mother"? Pretty sure she took the brooch as birthright/inheritance/heirloom.
WandaVision
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Anyway... Where I'm sitting with this/unanswered questions the series raises...
- Agent Woo's missing person.
- Evan Peters. Was "John Bohner" the missing person? Was he up in the attic as part of his witness-protection paranoia prior to Wanda Hexing the town? Everyone else in town seemed to have a normal life.
- What's Monica's beef with Carol? Does she blame her for her mom getting cancer? Does she blame her for not being around when her mom needed her, right before the snap? I'm curious if, in Captain Marvel 2, we'll see some of what Carol was up to in the time between snap and unsnap -- including her reunion with Maria when she showed up after the snap...
- Will Paul Bettany stay on? He got a chance to take the training wheels off with this show, finally. I've always loved him as an actor, but he's had to be so reserved as J.A.R.V.I.S. and Vision, I know he wasn't thrilled. WandaVision, however, gave him something to do. But white-Vision in the comics was cold and emotionless -- a shell of his former self. This isn't the comic universe, but we have no idea beyond those last few seconds, what post-liberation white-Vision is like. I'd hate to see Paul get stuck in several more years worth of stoic android-ism.
- Will Darcy be back in Thor: Love and Rockets? Or anywhere else in the MCU, for that matter?
- S.H.I.E.L.D. collapsed under corruption. S.W.O.R.D. seems to be heading a similar direction, unless Monica can drag things back on course after Hayward's disgrace.
- I know we had a pandemic screw with things, but I'm curious how deliberately Marvel put the resolution of Endgame in 2023. Black Widow looked to be primarily a flashback. WandaVision is set right after the end of Endgame and ends a couple weeks past, I think. Spider-Man: Far From Home was, what, a few weeks later still? Falcon & Winter Soldier is coming, as is Loki, but I definitely need to watch those to have a better sense of what's going on, timeline-wise. So now we have the next Doctor Strange, GotG, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Ant-Man/Wasp, Thor, and the last Spider-Man film the Marvel/Sony agreement allows for all stacked up to roll out over he next five or six years (before anyone says it -- two a year is not overload). I am very curious what the final release order will end up being, and when they're set in the timeline.
- Infinity Stones. I know many are sick to death of these things by now, but they remain relevant, so, tough. The Eye of Agamotto pretty much requires the Time Stone in order to be a thing. Wanda effectively coalesced a new Mind Stone -- not sure how much of that she reabsorbed, and how much is now with white-Vision. Alternate-Loki got the Tesseract back after the Battle of New York, and we're not sure where he fits into the Multiverse yet. Adam Warlock was hinted at at the end of the second GotG film, and has yet to appear. His story arc in the comics was almost entirely associated with the Soul Stone and its inner world/consciousness. I cannot believe that one is just gone -- which retains possibilities for Gamora and Nat. Wanda effectively is the Reality Stone now, and may end up re-coalescing it on her headdress. Power...? There, I got nothin'.
- Agent Woo's missing person.
- Evan Peters. Was "John Bohner" the missing person? Was he up in the attic as part of his witness-protection paranoia prior to Wanda Hexing the town? Everyone else in town seemed to have a normal life.
- What's Monica's beef with Carol? Does she blame her for her mom getting cancer? Does she blame her for not being around when her mom needed her, right before the snap? I'm curious if, in Captain Marvel 2, we'll see some of what Carol was up to in the time between snap and unsnap -- including her reunion with Maria when she showed up after the snap...
- Will Paul Bettany stay on? He got a chance to take the training wheels off with this show, finally. I've always loved him as an actor, but he's had to be so reserved as J.A.R.V.I.S. and Vision, I know he wasn't thrilled. WandaVision, however, gave him something to do. But white-Vision in the comics was cold and emotionless -- a shell of his former self. This isn't the comic universe, but we have no idea beyond those last few seconds, what post-liberation white-Vision is like. I'd hate to see Paul get stuck in several more years worth of stoic android-ism.
- Will Darcy be back in Thor: Love and Rockets? Or anywhere else in the MCU, for that matter?
- S.H.I.E.L.D. collapsed under corruption. S.W.O.R.D. seems to be heading a similar direction, unless Monica can drag things back on course after Hayward's disgrace.
- I know we had a pandemic screw with things, but I'm curious how deliberately Marvel put the resolution of Endgame in 2023. Black Widow looked to be primarily a flashback. WandaVision is set right after the end of Endgame and ends a couple weeks past, I think. Spider-Man: Far From Home was, what, a few weeks later still? Falcon & Winter Soldier is coming, as is Loki, but I definitely need to watch those to have a better sense of what's going on, timeline-wise. So now we have the next Doctor Strange, GotG, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Ant-Man/Wasp, Thor, and the last Spider-Man film the Marvel/Sony agreement allows for all stacked up to roll out over he next five or six years (before anyone says it -- two a year is not overload). I am very curious what the final release order will end up being, and when they're set in the timeline.
- Infinity Stones. I know many are sick to death of these things by now, but they remain relevant, so, tough. The Eye of Agamotto pretty much requires the Time Stone in order to be a thing. Wanda effectively coalesced a new Mind Stone -- not sure how much of that she reabsorbed, and how much is now with white-Vision. Alternate-Loki got the Tesseract back after the Battle of New York, and we're not sure where he fits into the Multiverse yet. Adam Warlock was hinted at at the end of the second GotG film, and has yet to appear. His story arc in the comics was almost entirely associated with the Soul Stone and its inner world/consciousness. I cannot believe that one is just gone -- which retains possibilities for Gamora and Nat. Wanda effectively is the Reality Stone now, and may end up re-coalescing it on her headdress. Power...? There, I got nothin'.
cboath
Master Member
I really can't stand sony and their entitlement complex, but that's another story. I think if nothing else, they'll find a way for Tom Holland to stick around in the MCU. I think he wants that as well. Maybe he's Tony Stark in another universe or something and is retained that way. Not sure why sony has a problem of getting money from marvel without lifting a finger.
As for the timing, they could all take place relatively shortly after Endgame. Different people doing different things more or less at the same time. The only things that really need staggered out are Guardians and Thor since Thor is in both (and apparently so GotG folks are in Thor) and then Spider Man 3 and Dr Strange. And if SM takes place over a week, Dr Strange could just be the following week/month, etc. The time doesn't have to spaced out per se.
As far as the stones, it's more than that. If you go mutli-verse - there should be a set in each universe, no? They can come from wherever at that point. As you point out, Loki's is already a second tesseract, not the original. I feel they still may be in play in some regard, but not in an IW/Endgame fashion. That's been done. I don't think the masses will go through that a second time. So they may return, but not with the same focus. Wanda has 'a part' of one, not the whole thing. Maybe Strange somehow gets the essence of it back as opposed to the whole thing or something, etc.
As for the timing, they could all take place relatively shortly after Endgame. Different people doing different things more or less at the same time. The only things that really need staggered out are Guardians and Thor since Thor is in both (and apparently so GotG folks are in Thor) and then Spider Man 3 and Dr Strange. And if SM takes place over a week, Dr Strange could just be the following week/month, etc. The time doesn't have to spaced out per se.
As far as the stones, it's more than that. If you go mutli-verse - there should be a set in each universe, no? They can come from wherever at that point. As you point out, Loki's is already a second tesseract, not the original. I feel they still may be in play in some regard, but not in an IW/Endgame fashion. That's been done. I don't think the masses will go through that a second time. So they may return, but not with the same focus. Wanda has 'a part' of one, not the whole thing. Maybe Strange somehow gets the essence of it back as opposed to the whole thing or something, etc.
[Strange in the library, hunting for the ritual Agamotto used to create or summon the Time Stone originally]
STRANGE: I know it has to be here somewhere...
[Wanda hold up a hand, the Time Stone floating placidly a couple inches above her palm]
WANDA: What, this?
[Strange stops short, reaches out, calls the Time Stone over, settling it back in the Eye of Agamotto, turns back to Wanda, an odd look on his face]
STRANGE: How did you do that?
WANDA: [waggling fingers] Maaaaagic.
STRANGE: I know it has to be here somewhere...
[Wanda hold up a hand, the Time Stone floating placidly a couple inches above her palm]
WANDA: What, this?
[Strange stops short, reaches out, calls the Time Stone over, settling it back in the Eye of Agamotto, turns back to Wanda, an odd look on his face]
STRANGE: How did you do that?
WANDA: [waggling fingers] Maaaaagic.
Ralph, not John. Seems unlikely he was the missing person since he had an actor's headshot.
peterquill
Sr Member
well i finally saw the finale, its been hard trying to manage a spoiler-free media blackout, but im pleased with it, as a whole a brilliant well acted and produced series and a great addition to the Mcu, has been a great ride, 
but with the finale, like some others, i was a bit underwelmed,
i keep thinking im going to be watching more episodes next week, it did seem rushed, i felt it needed another episode,
and i may have missed it but i didnt see any setup to where things are heading next, i know wandas in the next dr strange, and i was so expecting strange to turn up, for some reason,
just wanda in a remote cabin somewhere, reading the darkhold, projecting another wanda outside, doesnt do anything that says wow, is that suppose to be leading to another film\series
i still have too many questions i want answered
is vision fully back now, (does bettany have further marvel contracts,)
why is he (vision) still white, (i would of thought when his memories were reuploaded he would maybe re-phase to what he was,)
why didnt wanda ask her vision what happened with white vision, (if she new, wouldnt she be looking for him)
how did the darkhold get there in westview in the first place
how did wanda get the darkhold, (did she just pick it up from agathas room afterwards, i didnt see her carrying it)
maybe not so significant, who's woo's missing person,
wouldnt the loss of visons body and ressurrection of vision be of interest im sure to Banner, fury, or maybe blackwidow, hawkeye, secretary Ross
or anybody from wakanda, or anybody else i cant think of who also might have shown up,
and who was the skrull refering to, danvers or fury
i think theres many things here that will be seen in due course,
and im sure some of you fine people here can help me better answer\understand what im not yet seeing
but with the finale, like some others, i was a bit underwelmed,
i keep thinking im going to be watching more episodes next week, it did seem rushed, i felt it needed another episode,
and i may have missed it but i didnt see any setup to where things are heading next, i know wandas in the next dr strange, and i was so expecting strange to turn up, for some reason,
just wanda in a remote cabin somewhere, reading the darkhold, projecting another wanda outside, doesnt do anything that says wow, is that suppose to be leading to another film\series
i still have too many questions i want answered
is vision fully back now, (does bettany have further marvel contracts,)
why is he (vision) still white, (i would of thought when his memories were reuploaded he would maybe re-phase to what he was,)
why didnt wanda ask her vision what happened with white vision, (if she new, wouldnt she be looking for him)
how did the darkhold get there in westview in the first place
how did wanda get the darkhold, (did she just pick it up from agathas room afterwards, i didnt see her carrying it)
maybe not so significant, who's woo's missing person,
wouldnt the loss of visons body and ressurrection of vision be of interest im sure to Banner, fury, or maybe blackwidow, hawkeye, secretary Ross
or anybody from wakanda, or anybody else i cant think of who also might have shown up,
and who was the skrull refering to, danvers or fury
i think theres many things here that will be seen in due course,
and im sure some of you fine people here can help me better answer\understand what im not yet seeing
me too, i was welling up quite a bit,
i must of missed that, cant wait to binge watch the whole thing again, will have to pick up many things i might have missed before,
I saw an interview with Kat Dennings and they asked her if she was in the new Thor and she said something like "Well they're filming now in Australia, and I'm here so..."
If there is anyone who still has questions they feel need to be answered concerning WandaVision, seek out the Fatman Beyond podcast that Kevin Smith and Marc Bernardin just did with Matt Shakman, the director of all 9 episodes. He went into a lot of detail about the show and why they did a lot of the things they did. Its a really great coda to an amazing show.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I agree with this.
I think sometimes we as fans of the MCU WANT to believe that everything has some underlying, connected, mystery meaning. It’s understandable because of the call backs, Easter Eggs, and fan service that they’ve given us over the last 10+ years.
However, sometimes things don’t need to be connected, they just need to be an event or whatever to give characters a reason to be where they are when they are, and I think the missing person is exactly that, a plot device to get Jimmy to Westview.
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CelticRuins
Sr Member
I think too many people are willing to let gapping holes in the storyline go for apathy over them...I'm not one of those people.
I thoroughly loved the show for the rare unicorn it was, up until that last episode. It felt rushed, as if the writers created this gigantic story and couldn't figure out how to end it.
WHERE HAVE I SEEN THIS BEFORE....
It's becoming a bit of a habit in nerd story telling, and it's a little annoying. There was clear cut emphasis on several of the smaller story lines and there continues to be light trolling from some of the actors, which isn't helping the theorists.
Emma Caulfield just had an interview where she said she was working on something she couldn't talk about, and her name in the show is "Sarah Proctor", which is a significant name in the Salem Witch Trials. I get the show is supposed to be hyper meta, but the director needs to come out and establish that. Either that or they just needed a Deadpool appearance to solidify it. Because reality was intensely warped due to the nature of the story, so it's only natural people went down deep, dark theory holes.
I was never a Mephisto or Nightmare theory-stan here, though I didn't rule out Nightmare, and there's still Dr. Strange. The multiverse thing was a clear cut given that they just left alone in a corner somewhere, in the end.
Also, what was the significance of those people in the commercials? Where they Westview citizens? If so, where were they in the end??? Ralph's picture was never on the board of people that were constantly seen on the SWORD tv's. Though they kinda dropped that after one episode as well.
Either way, Marvel REALLY hates Quicksilver for some reason...
Anyway, theories are fun and it's what nerds do. It keeps the discussion alive, and some of these theories for the ending, ended up being better written, honestly.
The show definitely could have used 1 or 2 more episodes to continue to flush it out. In the end, I feel like all the red herrings ended up over shadowing the grief of Wanda and her true origins. With a little better writing, it could have walked right alongside it. I think they did parts really well, but still kind of shoved her story along and then introduced all of these side arcs, which took away from the sole benefactor of the show. There was no real reason to put all the red herrings in in the first place; it was a cheap gag for people to gawk at, when the meat of the show was actually fairly serious.
I thoroughly loved the show for the rare unicorn it was, up until that last episode. It felt rushed, as if the writers created this gigantic story and couldn't figure out how to end it.
WHERE HAVE I SEEN THIS BEFORE....
It's becoming a bit of a habit in nerd story telling, and it's a little annoying. There was clear cut emphasis on several of the smaller story lines and there continues to be light trolling from some of the actors, which isn't helping the theorists.
Emma Caulfield just had an interview where she said she was working on something she couldn't talk about, and her name in the show is "Sarah Proctor", which is a significant name in the Salem Witch Trials. I get the show is supposed to be hyper meta, but the director needs to come out and establish that. Either that or they just needed a Deadpool appearance to solidify it. Because reality was intensely warped due to the nature of the story, so it's only natural people went down deep, dark theory holes.
I was never a Mephisto or Nightmare theory-stan here, though I didn't rule out Nightmare, and there's still Dr. Strange. The multiverse thing was a clear cut given that they just left alone in a corner somewhere, in the end.
Also, what was the significance of those people in the commercials? Where they Westview citizens? If so, where were they in the end??? Ralph's picture was never on the board of people that were constantly seen on the SWORD tv's. Though they kinda dropped that after one episode as well.
Either way, Marvel REALLY hates Quicksilver for some reason...
Anyway, theories are fun and it's what nerds do. It keeps the discussion alive, and some of these theories for the ending, ended up being better written, honestly.
The show definitely could have used 1 or 2 more episodes to continue to flush it out. In the end, I feel like all the red herrings ended up over shadowing the grief of Wanda and her true origins. With a little better writing, it could have walked right alongside it. I think they did parts really well, but still kind of shoved her story along and then introduced all of these side arcs, which took away from the sole benefactor of the show. There was no real reason to put all the red herrings in in the first place; it was a cheap gag for people to gawk at, when the meat of the show was actually fairly serious.
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peterquill
Sr Member
maybe im wrong, but im thinking heywood underhandedly aquired the remains of vision, probably paying someone to obtain it,
i got the feeling that when talking to woo, one of his many transgressions was about the reverse engineeering of vision, and turning him into a weapon, and in his eyes (heywood) taking down the hex and wanda by any means, would absolve him from everything hes doing, including creating that secret weapon in the first place, i dont think he had any morals on doing the right thing, he would do illegal things without thinking about it,
mainly i think he just wanted his weapon, and show it to the world
but i would of thought initially visions body may have stayed in wakanda or headed to some storage place at avengers hq,
and not just head of straight to sword,
jts1031
Sr Member
Most likely Sokovia Accords violations.
CelticRuins
Sr Member
I actually really preferred the sitcom parts. It was obvious it was Wanda's pretend world to cope, and that she grew up watching tv and wanting those pretend lives, because her own wasn't as fulfilling.
It was the last episode that really was trying to force it's self back in the MCU, with the overly CGI battles. The complexity inside the Hex was what made it interesting and it stood out from any other MCU property.
I feel like FaWS is just going to be Winter Soldier and Civil War 2.0. The multi-leveled beginning of WV was far more interesting. Hence all the theories it generated.
It was the last episode that really was trying to force it's self back in the MCU, with the overly CGI battles. The complexity inside the Hex was what made it interesting and it stood out from any other MCU property.
I feel like FaWS is just going to be Winter Soldier and Civil War 2.0. The multi-leveled beginning of WV was far more interesting. Hence all the theories it generated.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
WandaVision did what Picard failed to...
Create a story are that was built upon later by layer.
Held me wanting more at the end of each week.
Created characters I cared about.
Ended in a way that (though rushed) was satisfying and completed the arc.
Create a story are that was built upon later by layer.
Held me wanting more at the end of each week.
Created characters I cared about.
Ended in a way that (though rushed) was satisfying and completed the arc.
