UK bans the import of *anything remotely harmful*...

Re: UK bans the import of replica props...

But if your replica is disasembled into a 'kit' before shipping, then its legal to import? Or if its sprayed orange or green?

I was wondering about this (the disassembling part) but was told it would be classed as Manufacture when you assembled it.
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props...

Well, if that is the case, then I'm fairly sure most people that offer replicas 'round these here parts will be happy to dig out some pink spray paint and blast that MR blaster all bright and fuzzy.

If acrylic paint were used (like Tamiya spray) then it's a fair bet the paint can be easily removed with a bath in some Ajax window cleaner, without harming the "real" paint job underneath.

Sure... that may also be classified as "manufacture", but who's gonna know?


Looking at local toy shops it's clear that black toy guns are disappearing fast to be replaced with exactly the same size and shape guns but coloured orange, purple etc....

That seems to be the workaround toy makers are using, any replica guns I supply after the UK law comes into effect will be cast in beautiful orange coloured resin - it's the only way to be sure...
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props...

Unless I've missed it, the bill seems unclear about shipping OUT of the UK to countries that don't have stupid replica laws...
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props...

^ I think that's ok. After all, why should we have any fun?
 
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If someone introduced bears into the British Wilderness, would that mean we could get guns to protect ourselves? Just a radical idea there.

It's rather unsettling that the government can do this as many people and businesses make a living out of selling BB guns and replicas. Take the many websites selling them, and if any of you go to the Memorabilia show (anyone going in November?) there's this one stall that sells LOTS of replica guns. The government is putting these establishments out of business.
 
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I think I know the seller you mean. I spoke with him and he said that he wouldn't be going out of business. Airsoft folk would need to register but he could still import and sell (to officially registered airsofters).

I'm beginning to think now that sci fi replica blasters, rifles etc will be ok to import. After all, would the government have researched their existence before the ban? No, of course not, that would be silly. And, evidently, this assinine "law" couldn't have taken our hobby into account whatsoever.

Collect on! :thumbsup

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Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

...or maybe not.

I'm currently importing a replica BR blaster and... low an behold, days before the ban, HM Customs have seized it.

Updates when available...
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

Whoa... how can they seize it before the law even takes effect?!?!?

Fight this with every fiber of your being. Don't. Give. Up.

Make some noise. "Customs took my ray gun!" would make a nice headline in the paper. The time to start winning battles is early on, before there is any legal precedent for them to fall back on. If there is a bright side, the BR blaster is probably a good test. It's got that blend of scifi and real life firearm going.

Please keep up updated every step of the way... and good luck. I think I speak for us all when I say we're rooting for ya. :thumbsup


...or maybe not.

I'm currently importing a replica BR blaster and... low an behold, days before the ban, HM Customs have seized it.

Updates when available...
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

...or maybe not.

I'm currently importing a replica BR blaster and... low an behold, days before the ban, HM Customs have seized it.

Updates when available...

That absolutely sucks, bud. Sorry to hear it. What I'm afraid of is Australia trying to bring the same law in. If I can get a Korben blaster and ZF-1 in before the ban, I'll be happy. :lol

Fight this with every fiber of your being. Don't. Give. Up.

I completely agree. :thumbsup
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

Update:

Well, it looks as though there was some 'crossed-wires'! I phoned them this morning and they said there wasn't a problem - just that charges needed paying... :rolleyes

I was all ready to give 'em both barrels! :angry

Still, another few days and it might have been a different story.

Looking at the whole thing though, I have a strong belief now that replica props (which aren't props of real-world firearms) will get through eventually even if customs do ping them. :) Politely worded phone calls and/or letters giving details of the origin and nature of the prop should win the day.

:)
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props...

So, which of these will come under the ban?

A Bladerunner blaster which is made from parts cast from a real firearm with extra bits added on.

An E11, made from parts cast from a real firearm with some extra bits and pieces added on.

An MR Han ANH EE, again replica of a real firearm with bits added on.
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

Update:
Well, it looks as though there was some 'crossed-wires'! I phoned them this morning and they said there wasn't a problem - just that charges needed paying... :rolleyes
I was all ready to give 'em both barrels! :angry

:)

As you proably know, I'm in exactly the same boat so I'll be interested to know how you get on.
No word from UK Customs for me yet, but they only just got it.
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props...

So, which of these will come under the ban?

A Bladerunner blaster which is made from parts cast from a real firearm with extra bits added on.

An E11, made from parts cast from a real firearm with some extra bits and pieces added on.

An MR Han ANH EE, again replica of a real firearm with bits added on.

They would all come under the ban depending on when you bought, made, imported or sold the items.

It is widely believed that from 1 October if you manufacture (make), modify (including toy/model/replica to look like a real firearm), Import or sell any of these items you will be breaking section 30 of The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 which governs the Manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms.


Worryingly this means that if you make a model of either a real gun, or modify a toy to look like it 'could' be a firearm ('cream crackers' I know!) you can be prosecuted under this Act.
The Act states:
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he manufactures a realistic imitation firearm;
(b) he modifies a firearm or an imitation firearm so that it becomes a
realistic imitation firearm;
(c) he sells a realistic imitation firearm; or
(d) he brings a realistic imitation firearm into Great Britain or causes one to
be brought into Great Britain.

There are provisions within the Act for the Secretary of State (Tony McNulty current Minister of State) to make exemptions or exceptions as he thinks fit - however to date I am not aware that either he or any of his officials have clarified the situation reagarding the prop collectors community.
The Airsoft community have received an exemption of sorts (you can read it here http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/86) I do not know to whether his officials have contacted the airsoft community to arrange a meeting to discuss in detail how the defence will work. In the absence of this clarification of the defence a whole new layer of bureaucracy has been established within UK airsofting.

This Act has produced a complete 'Charlie Foxtrot' in the airsoft community and from 1 October you will have to be registered with an Airsoft Skirmish site with 3rd Party Insurance before any UK Airsoft supplier will sell you an airsoft/replica gun.


However, in the last few days I have noticed that this section of the Violent Crime Reduction Bill is NOT scheduled to become law on the 1 October Common Commencement Date - which means that section 30 will not be 'Law' on the 1st Oct.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/20072180.htm

You can download the Violent Crime Reduction Bill from Here:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmbills/010/2006010.htm

You can access the Regulatory Imapct Assessments associated with the specific measures contained within the Bill here:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/ria-violent-crime-bill-cov-0605/

As a hobbyist, model maker, propmaker and collector - I am, and I am sure many many others in the UK are, trying to establish just what we can and can't do. It's a damn mess.

I would be interested to hear from any English Special Effects artists, prop makers who earn a percentage of their living from the manufacture of replica prop guns based on real firearms.

I know a bit about Government regulation so there are some measures that interested parties can take. But these things take time and need to be carefully co-ordinated if they are to avoid being ignored or rejected by Whitehall Officials.
 
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Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

I note that Propstore have not amended their policy in any way.
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

Yes - do they know something others dont or dont know something everyone does?
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

Yes - do they know something others dont or dont know something everyone does?

I don't think any of us know anything for sure! Until we start getting stuff grabbed by customs or someone is questioned over it we just don't know.
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

I don't think any of us know anything for sure! Until we start getting stuff grabbed by customs or someone is questioned over it we just don't know.

So - we know not what they know or what we know?
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

So - we know not what they know or what we know?

We don't know what they know. They know what they know, we may know what they know if someone asks. At the moment though we don't know what they know and we don't know what customs know and we know that the politicians don't know what they know. Now what's the next question? ;)
 
Re: UK bans the import of replica props... 1st October 2007

We don't know what they know. They know what they know, we may know what they know if someone asks. At the moment though we don't know what they know and we don't know what customs know and we know that the politicians don't know what they know. Now what's the next question? ;)

Who's on first? :confused
 
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