Tusken Raider weapons and gear...

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by Ghost Host, Jul 30, 2003.

  1. Ghost Host

    Ghost Host Sr Member

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    Hi, I am wondering if anyone has any larger, clearer pics of the "other" Gaffi sticks (pictured here); or the nifty rifle held by the Tusken on the hilltop aimed down at the passing speeder in ANH?

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  2. Dave the Bookie

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  3. godzilla

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    There's a larger, color version of the above photo in the old children's Star Wars Storybook. Here's a pic of the alternate gaffis laid out on a piece of cardboard:

    <img src=http://pweb.netcom.com/~godzilla/btmgaffis.jpg

    The long, wedge shaped handle is another Pacific Island warclub of some type. I forget the name.

    I have a thumbnail image of five ANH long rifles laid out on the same piece of carboard. The image is really small and I can't tell which one is the Tuskens' rifle.

    Adam
     
  4. Ghost Host

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    Thanks guys, and Godzilla for the pic. I sure wish Parts of Star Wars would post some pics of the Tusken rifle!
     
  5. Lupus Yonderboy

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    I don't have any screencaps but while looking for references on a possible Sand People rifle I stumbled upon this:

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    (Cheers Wackychimp)

    I thought rifle #1059 looked like a good place to start but I haven't got the foggiest what greeblies (if any) were used to make the prop[​IMG]. Necrobones calls it a 'Jambai' rifle but I've also seen it referred to as a 'Jezail'.

    I'd really like to see some pics of the prop used in the original triology.





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  6. godzilla

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    POSW has a clearer version of the pic I just posted with the background cut out. I'm not sure if anyone actually has a large version of the pic with rifles laid out on the cardboard or not. POSW probably doesn't have a good ref to post of they would have done it.

    You could always try to make a prequel Tusken rifle. The prop makers definately put more thought into the design than the ANH version.

    Adam
     
  7. Ghost Host

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    Hmmm, I couldn't find much at POSW. I'll look again. As far as prequel Tuskens, I don't care for them as much. Somehow not as fierce to me, and no respirator cans...?

    [edit] oh yea, I found the pic. Thanks. [​IMG]
     
  8. godzilla

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    The Denix #1059 rifle is like the one that Luke had mounted to his landspeeder:

    <img src=http://pweb.netcom.com/~godzilla/longun.jpg>

    The Tusken rifle is different. This is the only picture I have of it:

    <img src=http://pweb.netcom.com/~godzilla/longuns.jpg>

    I just dug out my old CAV format laserdisc and I'm positive the Tusken rifle is the second one from the bottom. This picture sucks and you can't see the whole buttstock, but it's a start. It's a better straight profile than you get in the movie.

    The most notable thing about this gun is that the wood base only continues about 20% of the way down the barrel. Almost the entire barrel is a plain unsupported tube. There is a little flare or ring at the tip.

    Adam
     
  9. Lupus Yonderboy

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    Thanks a million for posting those rifle pics Adam, never seen them before.

    Right you are, the Denix undeniably looks like Luke's rifle rather than the Tusken one.
    I've never seen anything quite like the 2nd from the bottom but I agree it's probably the one. Any idea what it is?





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  10. Ghost Host

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    Thanks again, Godzilla. Those are great shots... well, better than what I had, which was nothing... [​IMG]
     
  11. forttusken

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    If you guys are interested I might be able to do a group order of those Denix Rifles. I have been thinking about getting one myself. I have also been working on a gunstock style gaffi. I finished metal mace end a long time ago just need to do the wood part, then I will have 3 gaffis!
     
  12. kurtyboy

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    Here are some pics of Luke's. I had the intention of grabbing some of the Tusken rifle but all that is visible is some of the stock and some of the barrel in the close up. In the long shot its impossible to make much out.

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    Marcus
     
  13. godzilla

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    The pic of the rifle sitting on the floor is actually the screen-used original. The yellow tag is probably from the old rental house.

    The denix is pretty similar. There is a little less scoop on the top contour of the shoulder stock.

    <img src=http://pweb.netcom.com/~godzilla/denixrifle.jpg>

    Adam
     
  14. Ghost Host

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    Fottusken, I'd love to see your work in progress on the mace gaffi, that's the one I'm thinking of doing... [​IMG]
     
  15. Sporak

    Sporak Sr Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Mace Gaffi...What is that? Som-a kinda Jedi?

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  16. Ghost Host

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    No, but I hear that Gaderffi Windu's dad was quite a bada$$ jedi!

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  17. TomSpinaDesigns

    TomSpinaDesigns Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Hey all,

    i did a ton of research on this stuff back in the swfans.net days... I dug through my HD and sure enough still had most of it. Here's what i came up with then:

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    WAMPA wrote (but many years ago!):

    This is something i've never heard anyone talk about and I figure i may as well bring it up.

    I've found an image of several Gaffi sticks which are listed as "prototypes" on the Behind the Magic CD that actually appear in the film (ANH). Of note is that i have found a part that may have been used for GAFFI "C"

    Check this photo and begin reading:
    http://members.aol.com/bluesnags/gaffigroup.jpg

    a) not used...this one was a prototype only as far as i can tell.

    B) USED. It is carried by the Tusken Raider who goes behind Luke's Landspeeder while they trash it. Here is the only screenshot i could find (if you watch the film it is VERY clear that this is what he's holding)

    http://members.aol.com/bluesnags/gaffi1.jpg

    The end of this Gaffi can be seen in the original version of the Star Wars Storybook as well as here:

    http://members.aol.com/bluesnags/gaffi3.jpg

    It is a little difficult to tell from the photo posted that this is indeed the same fins, but in the storybook photo (which is in color) it is easier to tell that this is the same fins, just that the ones from the back show through the front and make them look as if there are more ridges than there really are. Also note the metal cover at the point where the metal spike connects to the wood part.

    c) USED. It is carried by the Tusken Raider who goes to the right and behind Luke's Landspeeder while they trash it. Here is the only screenshot i could find (if you watch the film it is VERY clear that this is what he's holding)

    http://members.aol.com/bluesnags/gaffi1.jpg

    The end of this Gaffi can be seen in the original version of the Star Wars Storybook as well as here:

    http://members.aol.com/bluesnags/gaffi3.jpg

    The point may have been made from a wrought iron fence post. I have also seen curtain rod ends that have a simillar look to them.

    The wood part on this prop was most likely another type of Fijian wood club called a "Y Club" (Update...soon after i found it was also called a "Sali" or "Gunstock club)
    Here is a pic of one:

    http://members.aol.com/bluesnags/gunstock.jpg

    Note the grooves along the inside of the "scoop" they match up pretty well with the prop. Also the additional "nub" pointing from behind the "scoop" is there on the prop. It is tough to see in the pics provided...check the scene on video to see what i mean. (it may be a little less pronounced but it is there. It could have been just a variation in style or perhaps shaved down by the prop makers)

    d) Was used by the Raider in the attack on Luke...The metal end on this one was longer than some of the others and it had a ring welded on it as well. This one also has a ROUND end where the spike attatches, not squared off like many of the others.
    d)
    http://members.aol.com/bluesnags/gaffi2.jpg

    e) Carried by the Bantha rider Tuskens (the ones that did not wear the large cloak-like capes as the ones in Tunisia wore) shot in California...also used for most of the reference photos. Is possibly the same prop as GAFFI F with the point on the pineapple end trimmed down at an angle.

    f) This was carried by the Raider on the left while they trash Luke's landspeeder. I don't have a screencap where it is visible, but watch the scene and you will see that this is the one he is holding. It appears to be the exact same Totokia as GAFFI D but with a different spike and fins.

    ALSO, there was also a version of this with no "pineapple" end on the Totokia...this may have been damaged during filming or was merely for stunt purposes.

    (no pineapple shot)
    http://members.aol.com/bluesnags/gaffi4.jpg

    (another update... if you look closely at the gaffi in the MOM display, you can see a repair along the same line as where the pineapple snapped on this one. Probably the same piece. One theory being that they made a rubber or foam replacement end for the stunts and that it's not a break, but just an interchangeable head)

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    Like i said, it's a few years old (and i made a couple minor updates). I used to have a gunstock club that was very nice but sold it a couple years back. May have to get another someday.

    In any event, cool thread. I love obscure Tunisia stuff!
    tom
     
  18. Lupus Yonderboy

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    Thanks for posting those pics Wampa!

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    I just dug out my old CAV format laserdisc and I'm positive the Tusken rifle is the second one from the bottom.
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    Does anyone know anything about the rifle on Adam's pic?




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  19. godzilla

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    Thanks for posting your research, Wampa. I got my totokia from you back in the day when you got a batch from Fiji.

    From my own research, I'm 95% certain that Gaffis E and F in your collage are the same prop. The photo of F looks like it was taken with a wide lens with the camera closer to the pineapple end. This causes some foreshortening of the fin end in the image. The foreshortening makes the fins look smaller than they really are. This makes gaffi E look like a different prop than F even though it isn't.

    Both Gaffi E/F and Gaffi D were used in the Tunisia scene when the main Tusken attacks Luke. They used both sticks in this sequence and it actually switches back and forth from shot to shot. There isn't actually anything purposely interchnageable on the Gaffis.

    On the CAV laserdisc, you can see Gaffi D (the one with the longer pipe end) actually break in the shot. This happens when Luke dodges a swing and the spike hits the next to his head on the boulder. The shaft of the Totokia cracks and the pipe goes off at an angle. When the Tusken raises the Gaffi over his head in triumph, the pipe end wags around because it's loose in the broken Totokia. I think the actor is actually having to hold it together with his hand.

    What used to be Gaffi D (the one with the longer pipe/spike) was later turned into the Rancor Keeper club for ROTJ. Here it is pictured side by side with the surviving ANH Gaffi:

    <img src=http://pweb.netcom.com/~godzilla/GaffiSticks.jpg>

    This picure is from the San Francisco exhibit in 1995. The Rancor Keeper club never made it on screen, but I suppose Kenner is responsible for canonizing it.

    Adam
     
  20. Ghost Host

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    Man, this thread really is taking off! Usually my inquiry threads just fade away after a day or two... Thanks you guys for contributing so much. It will be a big help. [​IMG]
     
  21. moffeaton

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    Best. Thread. Ever.

    Seriously - love the Tuskens, which reminds me - FortTusken! Any updates for a Maceless Totokia-havin' guy like myself?

    Rock on, Jason
     
  22. forttusken

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    Patience young Jedi! As soon as I get my basement finished- a couple weeks hopefully, I will work on a batch of mace ends.
     
  23. moffeaton

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    Wheee! The circle will soon be complete!

    Thanks man! You do stellar work - and they naturally patina to a great grimy finish!

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    (Gaffi that I sold to Simmon a while back... how I miss it)

    Jason
     
  24. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    Hmm, that Rancor Keeper weapon looks totally different than the toy. The toy shows it having a rounded spike half on each side. The real thing doesn't look like that, but rather a cross shaped spike on the end (when looking from the tip).
     
  25. MonCal

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    Man I need to get one of those things....seems like I've been putting off finishing my tusken forever [​IMG]
    Is the fiji shop still the best place to get these things and do most people have good luck getting one to resemble the ANH version? Their final price with shipping will end up being how much?...$180.00?
    BTW, Anyone have a RL blanket they don't want? [​IMG]
     
  26. Ghost Host

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    Ok, now slightly off from my original inquiry... how about the gloves? Have they been identified? In some pics I think I can almost see a gauntlet of some kind... but it could be something else. ...maybe a welder's glove?
     
  27. lonepigeon

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    I also agree that E and F are the same stick.
    To go one step further the E/F Gaffi is also the one missing the pineapple end. I think that E/F was broken first while filming that scene and then D was substituted, hence the reason for two Gaffi's in one scene.
    In the inset photo of E from Chronicles look closely under the Tusken's right hand. They used Gaffer tape to reattach the "pineapple" head. A temporary fix for publicity photos.
    Also note that the tip of the pineapple on E/F was also broken off (hence the main difference between the two photos). The tip is missing in Chronicles pics but they apparently still had it because it was glued back on, the Gaffer tape was removed and the pineapple was properly glued as well. Thank goodness someone thought to save the pieces during filming.
    The repaired Gaffi is seen in the later archive photo (the foreshortened one), the Art of Star Wars (1995), and at Magic of Myth.
    I noticed the seam line from the broken tip last time I was at MoM.

    I never noticed that Gaffi D was also broken during shooting. I'll have to check that out.
     
  28. godzilla

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    Yeah, gaffis are pretty easy to break. I dropped my totokia on a tile floor and the pineapple broke right off at the base. It was actually pretty easy to fix... some 2-ton epoxy and you can't even tell.

    GH- I'm pretty sure the gloves are garden variety... literally. Not the same as the Jawa jersey gloves, but equivalent ones can still be found. These days they usually seem to have a brightly colored elastic cuff on them though.

    Adam
     
  29. forttusken

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    This is a great thread. Not to Hijack but I was wondering if anyone has a definitive idea on what pattern the robes were on the originals in ANH. I want to upgrade my costume but don't want to cut into my coveted Ralph Lauren blanky until I know exactly what to do with it.

    Another thing to do to make a Totokia look better is to restain it. Mine were black and I have taken one and stripped the black paint off restained it brown and then oiled it with linseed oil. It looks very close to the originals now and the woodgrain is very nice. I was lucky to get two that are pretty close to the ANH style years ago. I will hopefully post some pictures next week.
     
  30. Ghost Host

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    Actually, as long as it pertains to Tusken "gear", I don't consider it hijacking at all...

    Adam, I've been looking around in garden centers and haven't seen the right type of glove yet. Have you found any?

    Steve
     
  31. forttusken

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    I ended up using some sued leather gardening gloves that are the right color. I prefer leather even if the originals were cloth. I still want to redo all my wrappings though. A not so good picture of them before any weathering or wrappings:
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  32. kurtyboy

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    Are the Tuskens arms supposed to be wrapped in bandages too? They are on the Hasbro 12" figure. I did this on my mannequin as it is also a good way of covering the arms if they are visible due to the sleeves being so baggy.
     
  33. forttusken

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    I am pretty sure they are wrapped up to help keep the sand out.
     
  34. Mr Fett

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    I used tan leather gloves on mine (painted dirty) and made some forearm pieces that attach around the thumb of my gloves and the whole thing slides on like a gauntlet glove.
     
  35. Fetthunter

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    For gloves: http://www.oregonglove.com/content/007_canvas.asp

    They are cheap, and the same ones used for Snowtroopers. Listed as "white", but actually kind of "natural-colored" when you get them. I use them for my Tusken and Snowtrooper costumes.

    You can look at the glove detail here. They are EXACTLY the same as the ones from Oregon glove (top of the page with white cuffs).

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  36. Fetthunter

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    I also picked up a Via Via Gata off eBay a few months ago. It's nice, and it give me another weapon! [​IMG]

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  37. Mr Fett

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    That's a sweet nasty lookin' club there, Fetthunter!
     
  38. Fetthunter

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    Thank ya! That's why I bought it! [​IMG]

    More pics of my Fijian Via Via Gata:

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  39. godzilla

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    The real gloves were canvas like Fetthunter shows. Of course the original patterns were a bit different, but that's as close as anything I've found. You can see the twill weave of the fabric in the Chronicles, and that's the important part.

    Adam
     
  40. lonepigeon

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    Adam wrote - "The Rancor Keeper club never made it on screen, but I suppose Kenner is responsible for canonizing it. "

    Just watching ROTJ tonight I noticed the Rancor Keeper DOES have his Gaffi Stick. You can't see it very well since he's holding it down in his right hand as he runs in to see the Rancor after Luke kills it. The metal point is towards the ground and not visible, but theres a few frames where you can clearly see the pineapple end (near is elbow when they show him from behind).
    The photo on the original action figure packaging also shows him with the stick.
     
  41. godzilla

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    Cool. I'm glad they didn't alter the original Gaffi stick for nothing, then.

    Adam
     
  42. forttusken

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    Unfortuantely that Denix rifle is no longer available because Denix doesn't make it anymore.

    Just curious if anyone has any idea what the Rancor Keeper gaffi end is. It looks like some solid cast piece or something. Very different from any of the other mace types.
     
  43. Lupus Yonderboy

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    Allright, without a better pic of the Tusken rifle, at least I can't get any further.
    Went to the library and looked through:

    - "A glossary of the construction, decoration and use of arms and armor in all countries and in all times" (1934) by G.C. Stone.
    - "Guns and Rifles of the world" (1965) by H.L. Blackmore.
    - "Firearms of the Islamic world" (1995) by R. Elgood

    Great books despite the somewhat pretentious titles, but no rifles looking like the one in Godzilla's 2nd pic.

    Also contacted the senior curators of the Royal Armoury (Sweden) and Royal Armouries (U.K.). Unfortunately, after seeing the pic all they could do was confirm what's already been stated in this thread, i.e. probably N. African, possibly M. Eastern. However, both of them believed the wood base under the barrel to be broken in the pic since neither of them could remember seeing such a short one before.

    Hopefully someone will be able to dig up another pic... [​IMG]

    In any case, with all the brilliant Gaffi info, I think the thread should be archived.




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  44. forttusken

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    Definitely this need to be archived! Don't let it die.
     
  45. kurtyboy

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    I thought this was a cool picture over at TheForce.net:

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  46. kurtyboy

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    Oh, has anyone found the gloves that are in the Visual Dictionary pictures? They're mainly kinda tan colored but between the fingers the fabric is a lighter color.
     
  47. Probe Droid

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    A few MoM pix if anyone wants 'em
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    Is it my imagination, or is that just a belt wrapped around the mouth/nose piece?
     

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