YenChih Lin
Master Member
BTW: How effing large is a Recognizer? I don't get a feeling for this sucker - after those pics it mus be about 10m wide by 9m high... or what do you think?
TRON Legacy question thread
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MooMooEgg
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I was wondering...
Sam bled when he was cut by Rinzler in the arena. So by that logic, now that Quorra is in the real world, if she gets cut, does she still derez and ooze pixels?
Also, where did she get those clothes after she escaped the Grid? Was there some 24 hour fashion outlet that was open down the street that she and Sam were able to go to before Alan was able to get to the arcade?
:lol
Sam bled when he was cut by Rinzler in the arena. So by that logic, now that Quorra is in the real world, if she gets cut, does she still derez and ooze pixels?
Also, where did she get those clothes after she escaped the Grid? Was there some 24 hour fashion outlet that was open down the street that she and Sam were able to go to before Alan was able to get to the arcade?
:lol
I just assumed it was a couple of days later since Alan was there.
THE END OF THE ORIGINAL TRON (without a future Tron:Legacy)
Did it ever cross your mind that maybe, just MAYBE, Flynn's blast into the computer realm was a dream? Imagine this: He's trying to hack the MCP at the laser digitization panel, and gets "hit" by the laser. But he only passes out, and has this fantasic dream, of actually being IN the MCP server, helping Tron and defeating the MCP. He wakes up, to find that he found the lost file(s) showing that Dillinger had in fact stolen Flynn's programs.
P.S. To date, TRON: Legacy has earned $363 million worldwide. Not Avatar numbers, but definitely a blockbuster. Between Tron and True Grit, Jeff Bridges has topped half a billion dollars worldwide gross in less than 2 months. I bet he's smiling...
Did it ever cross your mind that maybe, just MAYBE, Flynn's blast into the computer realm was a dream? Imagine this: He's trying to hack the MCP at the laser digitization panel, and gets "hit" by the laser. But he only passes out, and has this fantasic dream, of actually being IN the MCP server, helping Tron and defeating the MCP. He wakes up, to find that he found the lost file(s) showing that Dillinger had in fact stolen Flynn's programs.
P.S. To date, TRON: Legacy has earned $363 million worldwide. Not Avatar numbers, but definitely a blockbuster. Between Tron and True Grit, Jeff Bridges has topped half a billion dollars worldwide gross in less than 2 months. I bet he's smiling...
All the programs looked like people he knew. So it was possible. Then he tried to build a real one. Which is why it looks different.
But the laser is basically the same as before. So either it worked twice, or didn't twice, so Sam imagined it the second time, and just imagined meeting his dad. But then where did Quorra come from?
The 'imagined the whole thing' can be applied to many movies and books.
But the laser is basically the same as before. So either it worked twice, or didn't twice, so Sam imagined it the second time, and just imagined meeting his dad. But then where did Quorra come from?
The 'imagined the whole thing' can be applied to many movies and books.
Kerr Avon
Master Member
I take the people in the grid looking like real people to Flynn in the original movie is that he is a user. He knows the people who made the programs in the grid, and as a user sees more than a program can. His mind filled in blanks for what the programs were supposed to look like.
niennumb1
Master Member
Actually it's between Disney and Paramount that are the ones who made that money. Jeff Bridges only got a small piece of that for acting in it.... unless he was supposed to get a percentage from the box office sales too, which i'm sure he didn't.
CSMacLaren
Sr Member
It's a Disney movie. No naked chicks in Disney movies.
Baby chickens is another thing.... :angel
Actually it's between Disney and Paramount that are the ones who made that money. Jeff Bridges only got a small piece of that for acting in it.... unless he was supposed to get a percentage from the box office sales too, which i'm sure he didn't.
Of course, I know it's the studios that get the $$$$. But that kind of box office performance for a leading actor, in such a short span of time, has to increase his asking $$$$$ for future films :lol
niennumb1
Master Member
OOooooooohhh yes! That's what I would do if I was in his position! Of course all he's gotta say to negotiate is, "Hey..... I'm the dude here, man!"
No, because the film showcases the computer world with Sark, Ram, and the MCP before Flynn even enters the laser station. Also, passing out would mean he lost consciousness and later woke up. He didn't wake up from sleeping on the keyboard. He returned in the exact position in which he left.
Also, it was pretty well established that Flynn could not locate the Data on his own and that the only way to hack through the MCP is through Alan's program TRON, the program that the MCP took away. Flynn didn't go to the laser station to find his files, he went to the station to activate TRON. He says so himself.
Flynn: And don't fall asleep. If and when I activate your Tron program, you'll only going to have a few minutes to use it before Dillinger catches a break in security.
So he couldn't have just *found* the lost files out of the blue like that. And if he did, what the heck happened to the MCP? Why didn't it try to cover the info up for Dillinger when he got back? Did the MCP just decide to say "fu** it" and leave? That kind of revelation is just anti-everything.
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Xxblackbird
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The programs in the original looked like their users and not necessarily like the people Flynn knew.
As for people knowing about the Grid... according to the comics, which are supposedly official and actually do fit pretty well with the films, Alan does NOT know about the grid. It doesn't look like anyone knew about it except Sam and possibly Sam's mother.
Even if someone at Encom knew about the Grid, I'm not sure they'd know how he got in. If they knew how he got in, they'd need a laser, and it looks like the only one is hidden at the arcade. I doubt Flynn could get it there all by himself (though I'm not sure of its exact size) but even if they did help him move it, it's not inconceivable he stashed it in his secret room without anyone knowing.
And if they could produce a new laser and figure out how to zap people into the Grid, I'd imagine nearly every computer has its own version of the Grid. Though Flynn designed Space Paranoids and the other games from the original movie, and had a part in building the MCP and Encom's operating system, I'm not sure it was ever said that the Grid was exclusive to those particular computers. I mean, I don't know if it's something special Flynn did, if he has some kind of magic touch or special skill that made these programs come alive, or if this type of society(?) exists in every computer. Either way they'd have to get zapped into Flynn's computer, or one linked to it, to find him. It, of course, is also hidden at the arcade.
We also know, thanks to the comics, that Flynn would vanish for days or weeks at a time. Before 89 he started to flake out and became eccentric and told family he'd planned to travel the world. He also gave up his power at Encom, had recently lost the mother of his child and, frankly, had shown little interest in his son. It's not a stretch to say he took a few million he had stashed away and moved to some remote country or monastery or something.
So, Gem takes Sam to Castor, then casually takes a seat behind them while Castor reveals he is Zuse. Either Zuse is terrible at keeping a secret identity or Gem already knew. That is obviously privileged information only known by a few programs.
Later we see Gem standing next to Zuse while everyone is fighting, then they're together after everyone has left and the bar is closed. The scene also shows Zuse and his lackey (Gem) along with Clu and his lackey (that weird guy).
Everything about those scenes implies that Gem and Zuse are partners in one form or another. They certainly don't imply they've only met once or twice.
In the scene where Quorra, Sam and Kevin are eating dinner, we see they are eating what looks like a pig or boar. Are there animals on the Grid? What do programs eat, if they eat at all?
As for people knowing about the Grid... according to the comics, which are supposedly official and actually do fit pretty well with the films, Alan does NOT know about the grid. It doesn't look like anyone knew about it except Sam and possibly Sam's mother.
Even if someone at Encom knew about the Grid, I'm not sure they'd know how he got in. If they knew how he got in, they'd need a laser, and it looks like the only one is hidden at the arcade. I doubt Flynn could get it there all by himself (though I'm not sure of its exact size) but even if they did help him move it, it's not inconceivable he stashed it in his secret room without anyone knowing.
And if they could produce a new laser and figure out how to zap people into the Grid, I'd imagine nearly every computer has its own version of the Grid. Though Flynn designed Space Paranoids and the other games from the original movie, and had a part in building the MCP and Encom's operating system, I'm not sure it was ever said that the Grid was exclusive to those particular computers. I mean, I don't know if it's something special Flynn did, if he has some kind of magic touch or special skill that made these programs come alive, or if this type of society(?) exists in every computer. Either way they'd have to get zapped into Flynn's computer, or one linked to it, to find him. It, of course, is also hidden at the arcade.
We also know, thanks to the comics, that Flynn would vanish for days or weeks at a time. Before 89 he started to flake out and became eccentric and told family he'd planned to travel the world. He also gave up his power at Encom, had recently lost the mother of his child and, frankly, had shown little interest in his son. It's not a stretch to say he took a few million he had stashed away and moved to some remote country or monastery or something.
Zuse obviously wanted to keep his true identity secret. We know through dialogue that he was at least keeping it a secret from the resistance leader and it was heavily implied that you could only talk to Zuse through Castor. If everyone but Sam knew Castor and Zuse were the same person, there would be no need for an alias or the dialogue with the resistance leader.
So, Gem takes Sam to Castor, then casually takes a seat behind them while Castor reveals he is Zuse. Either Zuse is terrible at keeping a secret identity or Gem already knew. That is obviously privileged information only known by a few programs.
Later we see Gem standing next to Zuse while everyone is fighting, then they're together after everyone has left and the bar is closed. The scene also shows Zuse and his lackey (Gem) along with Clu and his lackey (that weird guy).
Everything about those scenes implies that Gem and Zuse are partners in one form or another. They certainly don't imply they've only met once or twice.
In the scene where Quorra, Sam and Kevin are eating dinner, we see they are eating what looks like a pig or boar. Are there animals on the Grid? What do programs eat, if they eat at all?
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Xxblackbird
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To the question as to why they didn't chase Quorra and Sam off the gaming grid...
There really, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be a good answer as far as I'm concerned. Here's why:
You can say the lightcycles couldn't have made the jump. Probably true. And as stated, they couldn't go on that terrain, and even if they could actually function on that terrain, these street-bike looking things probably couldn't keep up with what's basically a souped up ATV.
You can say Quorra escaped into the wilderness too quickly for Recognizers to follow. They'd have to be scrambled like jets and there'd be at least a little delay while they're dispatched and flying to the scene. Meanwhile, Quorra is zig-zagging everywhere and driving through mountains and has plenty of time to escape.
The problem is with Rinzler. He drove right up to the edge of the Grid and stopped following them. Later, we see him jump out a window, crack his baton in half and fly off in a fighter plane. Why, exactly, couldn't dematerialize his lightcycle and materialize a jet to follow them? We know Clu's ship can fly off the grid, and they looked like they were fighting over the wilderness later in the film. It would have been awesome to see him ramp off something and turn that bike into a jet.
I guess you can say, "well, he just didn't think to do that." That's valid... hindsight is 20/20 and not everyone always thinks of everything, even in movies. Or you can say it was a part of Clu's plan to lead them to Flynn's hideout. But still...
There really, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be a good answer as far as I'm concerned. Here's why:
You can say the lightcycles couldn't have made the jump. Probably true. And as stated, they couldn't go on that terrain, and even if they could actually function on that terrain, these street-bike looking things probably couldn't keep up with what's basically a souped up ATV.
You can say Quorra escaped into the wilderness too quickly for Recognizers to follow. They'd have to be scrambled like jets and there'd be at least a little delay while they're dispatched and flying to the scene. Meanwhile, Quorra is zig-zagging everywhere and driving through mountains and has plenty of time to escape.
The problem is with Rinzler. He drove right up to the edge of the Grid and stopped following them. Later, we see him jump out a window, crack his baton in half and fly off in a fighter plane. Why, exactly, couldn't dematerialize his lightcycle and materialize a jet to follow them? We know Clu's ship can fly off the grid, and they looked like they were fighting over the wilderness later in the film. It would have been awesome to see him ramp off something and turn that bike into a jet.
I guess you can say, "well, he just didn't think to do that." That's valid... hindsight is 20/20 and not everyone always thinks of everything, even in movies. Or you can say it was a part of Clu's plan to lead them to Flynn's hideout. But still...
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