Tie Bomber- Job Done!
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Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
That's looking fabulous. Nice and crisp build. Home stretch!
That's looking fabulous. Nice and crisp build. Home stretch!
3d-builder
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Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Stunning work looks FANTASTIC!!:thumbsup
Stunning work looks FANTASTIC!!:thumbsup
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Thanks guys for the good words. Unfortunately my idea of color mixing with putting the primer in the final color which would give me the ability to buff the paint for a weathered look hasn't really pressed my buttons!.
The color after buffing has come out more green than i would have liked so have decided to airbrush another coat without the primer added and to also have a lighter color. I feel having tooo bright a final color gives it a toylike look to it.
I guess by buffing it now anyway has got it back to a smooth finish and will also add a preshading effect under the top coat.
In hindsight i should have done a bit more experimentation!.
Unfortunately again i can't get to the model shop till next week for more paint:cryso will have to wait till then!
At least i can get back to the 4 footer x-wing lol to fill in time!
Any thoughts and advise would be greatly appreciated guys, i know thers alot of expert painters here, cheers
Stu
Thanks guys for the good words. Unfortunately my idea of color mixing with putting the primer in the final color which would give me the ability to buff the paint for a weathered look hasn't really pressed my buttons!.
The color after buffing has come out more green than i would have liked so have decided to airbrush another coat without the primer added and to also have a lighter color. I feel having tooo bright a final color gives it a toylike look to it.
I guess by buffing it now anyway has got it back to a smooth finish and will also add a preshading effect under the top coat.
In hindsight i should have done a bit more experimentation!.
Unfortunately again i can't get to the model shop till next week for more paint:cryso will have to wait till then!
At least i can get back to the 4 footer x-wing lol to fill in time!
Any thoughts and advise would be greatly appreciated guys, i know thers alot of expert painters here, cheers
Stu
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Stu.
OK mixing primer with paint, not gonna work buddy, your then creating a Hue, not an undercoat.
What effect do you want, black rub marks, or back to grey primer?
Either way, shoot your primer on, and let that cure well. From there just paint the model with your custom mix, i use Tamiya to get the "Pactra" hue.
Best way, to get a nice subtle weathered/worn effect, is to use very fine wire wool, and gently rub it over the raised detailing, if you used a black undercoat, youll see very small areas (like rivets etc) now appear black, and "worn" in.
Other methods that work well, rubbing these areas with Blutack (trust me it works) and even a rolled up ball of masking tape, rub and pick at the corners of a detail and youll see it evenly wear in.
These methods would suit weatering a TB much more than latex masking back to an undercoat, which would be maybe overkill as they were devoid of any real weather pattern.
Best thing is to experiment, prime a few surplus donor parts with black, grey and even red oxide primers, then apply your basecoat, and see what works better, i prefer the wire wool, but its what your comfortable with, and patience is the key, gentle strokes, i also tape a tiny ball of wire wool to an old paintbrush now and then, as it gives a bit more accuracy to helps pick out hard to reach areas.
Hope my rambling helps you out a bit buddy.
lee
Stu.
OK mixing primer with paint, not gonna work buddy, your then creating a Hue, not an undercoat.
What effect do you want, black rub marks, or back to grey primer?
Either way, shoot your primer on, and let that cure well. From there just paint the model with your custom mix, i use Tamiya to get the "Pactra" hue.
Best way, to get a nice subtle weathered/worn effect, is to use very fine wire wool, and gently rub it over the raised detailing, if you used a black undercoat, youll see very small areas (like rivets etc) now appear black, and "worn" in.
Other methods that work well, rubbing these areas with Blutack (trust me it works) and even a rolled up ball of masking tape, rub and pick at the corners of a detail and youll see it evenly wear in.
These methods would suit weatering a TB much more than latex masking back to an undercoat, which would be maybe overkill as they were devoid of any real weather pattern.
Best thing is to experiment, prime a few surplus donor parts with black, grey and even red oxide primers, then apply your basecoat, and see what works better, i prefer the wire wool, but its what your comfortable with, and patience is the key, gentle strokes, i also tape a tiny ball of wire wool to an old paintbrush now and then, as it gives a bit more accuracy to helps pick out hard to reach areas.
Hope my rambling helps you out a bit buddy.
lee
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Thanks Lee, good to hear your opinion and thoughts. Ok, I tried steel wool(0000 grade) just turns everything brown, hmmm?.
What Iv'e done now up to now is sprayed 1 coat primer, then 2 coats of color allowing 2 days drying time between all coats (all floquil railroad colors). What I,m trying to get my head around is are all floquil paints gritty and come out dusty or am i using too much or not enough thinner(diosol) or air pressure too high ( I'm using 20-30 psi) ?. Are these paints notorious for this or is it me?.
Another thing, I believe these paints are enamel some say acrylic, over what Iv'e done so far could i change paint brands and go with say Tamiya acrylic for the final top coat or will this react with the coats underneath?. I believe acrylics can be applied over enamels but not vice-versa.
Any help again Lee would be great or anyone else for that matter, want to get this thing wrapped up.
Cheers
Stu
Thanks Lee, good to hear your opinion and thoughts. Ok, I tried steel wool(0000 grade) just turns everything brown, hmmm?.
What Iv'e done now up to now is sprayed 1 coat primer, then 2 coats of color allowing 2 days drying time between all coats (all floquil railroad colors). What I,m trying to get my head around is are all floquil paints gritty and come out dusty or am i using too much or not enough thinner(diosol) or air pressure too high ( I'm using 20-30 psi) ?. Are these paints notorious for this or is it me?.
Another thing, I believe these paints are enamel some say acrylic, over what Iv'e done so far could i change paint brands and go with say Tamiya acrylic for the final top coat or will this react with the coats underneath?. I believe acrylics can be applied over enamels but not vice-versa.
Any help again Lee would be great or anyone else for that matter, want to get this thing wrapped up.
Cheers
Stu
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
OK as for stuff turning brown lol??? No clue buddy, sounds odd, ive used this method for a while now and its superb :confused
PSI, OK well i tend to shoot Tamiya, and Floquil in the 55psi range, and that gives me a great coat, Tamiya's tend to "dust" up now and then, but yes a thinner mix combats this very well buddy, Floquils, well they always go on like glass for me at this setting, right from the jar.
Thin coats buddy, dont try cover it all in one blast, this really makes that grain effect in Tamiyas enhanced IMO, but then i do use a wide needle airbrush for basecoats as it gives me a smoother coat.
With the Floquils, id recomend decanting into a clean jar, through a filter, i use the gauze from a teabag nontheless :lol as Floquils tend to "gum" up over long shelf time periods....and BTW Floquil do an Enamel, and an acrylic range buddy...i tend to trust the enamel with this brand when i can get them in the UK thats is :angry
Cant say id want to shoot enamel over an acrylic, but yes vice versa has always worked for me with zero reaction!
If in doubt, trust the Tamiya range buddy, there easy to mix, always readily available, and have a great range to mix these custom hues!
lee
OK as for stuff turning brown lol??? No clue buddy, sounds odd, ive used this method for a while now and its superb :confused
PSI, OK well i tend to shoot Tamiya, and Floquil in the 55psi range, and that gives me a great coat, Tamiya's tend to "dust" up now and then, but yes a thinner mix combats this very well buddy, Floquils, well they always go on like glass for me at this setting, right from the jar.
Thin coats buddy, dont try cover it all in one blast, this really makes that grain effect in Tamiyas enhanced IMO, but then i do use a wide needle airbrush for basecoats as it gives me a smoother coat.
With the Floquils, id recomend decanting into a clean jar, through a filter, i use the gauze from a teabag nontheless :lol as Floquils tend to "gum" up over long shelf time periods....and BTW Floquil do an Enamel, and an acrylic range buddy...i tend to trust the enamel with this brand when i can get them in the UK thats is :angry
Cant say id want to shoot enamel over an acrylic, but yes vice versa has always worked for me with zero reaction!
If in doubt, trust the Tamiya range buddy, there easy to mix, always readily available, and have a great range to mix these custom hues!
lee
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Thanks Lee, I'll do some experimenting and see what i come up with.
Will try shooting at a higher psi as well, maybe too low that's why i get a dusting effect, i want this final coat to go on smooth.
The browning from the steel wool probably is the paint just changing hues from the original blue to buffed green to the browning effect.
I gotta tell you Iv'e never had a problem painting before until this, BIG mistake to add primer into the mix!:angry
Ahhhh well we learn by doing and correcting our mistakes don't we dude:$
Thanks again mate, your advise is highly regarded.
Stu
Thanks Lee, I'll do some experimenting and see what i come up with.
Will try shooting at a higher psi as well, maybe too low that's why i get a dusting effect, i want this final coat to go on smooth.
The browning from the steel wool probably is the paint just changing hues from the original blue to buffed green to the browning effect.
I gotta tell you Iv'e never had a problem painting before until this, BIG mistake to add primer into the mix!:angry
Ahhhh well we learn by doing and correcting our mistakes don't we dude:$
Thanks again mate, your advise is highly regarded.
Stu
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Stu not a problem, and hey weve all done things we wish we hadnt when it comes to painting lol, seriously, though, try the Blutack method on scuffing raised rivets etc too, it rubs Tamiya off with great effect and really gives a super subtle "chipped" effect, its takes some time rubbing as you must go gently, but does the job well.
Good luck buddy, youve nailed this build up, cant wait to see more!
lee
Stu not a problem, and hey weve all done things we wish we hadnt when it comes to painting lol, seriously, though, try the Blutack method on scuffing raised rivets etc too, it rubs Tamiya off with great effect and really gives a super subtle "chipped" effect, its takes some time rubbing as you must go gently, but does the job well.
Good luck buddy, youve nailed this build up, cant wait to see more!
lee
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Cheers dude!. Had a thought about the steel wool turning the paint brown, probably because its over 10 years old and may have absorbed some moisture so creating minute rusting (which i can't see any of) hence the browning of the paint. :unsure
Iv'e used steel wool heaps before as a polishing of plastic kits etc... with great results which you say you have also.
I'm thinkin seriously now of making a tamiya acrylic mix, I'd be more comfortable finishing this model with that anyway and as you stated the hues come out great.:thumbsup
Love the pods BTW, quite a family you have there dude lol!
Stu
Cheers dude!. Had a thought about the steel wool turning the paint brown, probably because its over 10 years old and may have absorbed some moisture so creating minute rusting (which i can't see any of) hence the browning of the paint. :unsure
Iv'e used steel wool heaps before as a polishing of plastic kits etc... with great results which you say you have also.
I'm thinkin seriously now of making a tamiya acrylic mix, I'd be more comfortable finishing this model with that anyway and as you stated the hues come out great.:thumbsup
Love the pods BTW, quite a family you have there dude lol!
Stu
tk1608
Sr Member
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Hi, I used a mix of tamiya colours, XF66 light grey and XF8 Blue, it's great paint but you probably know it needs airbrushing to get a nice finish.
I added the blue to the grey a few drops at a time and brushed it onto white paper to test the colour. I carried on adding the blue until it looked blue enough.
I tried to match the colour to the front shot in the chronicals book.
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=26714&highlight=Tie+Bomber
Cheers
Phil
Hi, I used a mix of tamiya colours, XF66 light grey and XF8 Blue, it's great paint but you probably know it needs airbrushing to get a nice finish.
I added the blue to the grey a few drops at a time and brushed it onto white paper to test the colour. I carried on adding the blue until it looked blue enough.
I tried to match the colour to the front shot in the chronicals book.
http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=26714&highlight=Tie+Bomber
Cheers
Phil
MonsieurTox
Master Member
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
I used Tamiya Dark Ghost gray (which is actually blue
), ref AS-25.
I first painted it with a mix of tamiya acrylic paint but the result was to thin, I wanted a more heavy paint to match the studio model and this color was doing the trick to my eye ! It's very close to the color of the ILM Interceptor I saw (I dont know if the Bomber and interceptor were painted with the same color though...).
I used Tamiya Dark Ghost gray (which is actually blue
), ref AS-25. I first painted it with a mix of tamiya acrylic paint but the result was to thin, I wanted a more heavy paint to match the studio model and this color was doing the trick to my eye ! It's very close to the color of the ILM Interceptor I saw (I dont know if the Bomber and interceptor were painted with the same color though...).
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Takes all sorts :lol, as i used Neutral grey to XF8 blue for mine, and adjusted with flat white, the Neutral grey, already has a blue hue too, so it works like a charm when mixed with the Tamiya blue, my V1 pod is painted with this mix, as is my own JMJ bomber, though that is a tad lighter!
lee
Takes all sorts :lol, as i used Neutral grey to XF8 blue for mine, and adjusted with flat white, the Neutral grey, already has a blue hue too, so it works like a charm when mixed with the Tamiya blue, my V1 pod is painted with this mix, as is my own JMJ bomber, though that is a tad lighter!
lee
MonsieurTox
Master Member
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Well at least we all used Tamiya paints ! :lol
Well at least we all used Tamiya paints ! :lol
Re: Update!! newbie TieBomber plus pics
Thanks for all the info guys. I still have'nt managed to get to the model shop yet for more paint, might even be a couple more weeks.
I have resprayed in tamiya fine white primer though (ran out half way through though, AArrhhgg:angry) after sanding back my botched Floquil effort, not an easy job to do with all the detail on this model but its back to how it was nice and smooth and now nearly covered in primer. I can't see any flaws so I'm happy to carry on with the top coats.
I will use tamiya acrylics and mix up a color to my tastes, everybody's color is different on their bombers anyway, nobody knows for sure the true color it seems and everyone's bombers looks just fine.
I think i prefer a lighter shadeTBH as most pics I've seen depict this and is more pleasing to the naked eye, a darker blue looks just too toylike for my tastes.
Thanks again guys
Stu
Thanks for all the info guys. I still have'nt managed to get to the model shop yet for more paint, might even be a couple more weeks.
I have resprayed in tamiya fine white primer though (ran out half way through though, AArrhhgg:angry) after sanding back my botched Floquil effort, not an easy job to do with all the detail on this model but its back to how it was nice and smooth and now nearly covered in primer. I can't see any flaws so I'm happy to carry on with the top coats.
I will use tamiya acrylics and mix up a color to my tastes, everybody's color is different on their bombers anyway, nobody knows for sure the true color it seems and everyone's bombers looks just fine.
I think i prefer a lighter shadeTBH as most pics I've seen depict this and is more pleasing to the naked eye, a darker blue looks just too toylike for my tastes.
Thanks again guys
Stu
Well you won't believe this as neither do I, but got my tamiya custom mix, test sprayed on a scrap model, beautiful smmoothh finish on said scrap part and sprayed onto bomber, AND it dusted up something wicked, hence the AARRGGHH!!.
Now what?. Well, I reckoned there were just too many paint coats to keep going to smooth it out so did a google search for paint removal on models and IPMS suggested 'Easy Off' 2hr oven cleaner, WHHAATTT?.
I thought OK whatever, I'll give it a try and OMG:eek I,m now back to a clean canvas, I mean the paint just ate through all coats leaving the model in it's pristine unpainted condition just as if I'd never started, WOOHOOO!. This stuff is incredible guys, I had nothing to lose anyway.
I have been practicing my airbrushing and now realise I'm spraying too far away and the mix is just not thinned enough. Every time I spray now I get a smooth even coat and thats with the Floquils as well, which i intend to go back to BTW.
I'm also using a Badger double-action brush as well so definately more practice is the key to getting it right.
BTW, the oven cleaner does not mar the plastic parts at all which makes this product so cool to use if needed, just do the final rinse with mild detergent. I did use a soft old tooth brush to remove a few stubborn areas of old paint though.
So that's it back to the start again!. THIS TIME!!
Thanks for all the advice on this guys
Stu
Now what?. Well, I reckoned there were just too many paint coats to keep going to smooth it out so did a google search for paint removal on models and IPMS suggested 'Easy Off' 2hr oven cleaner, WHHAATTT?.
I thought OK whatever, I'll give it a try and OMG:eek I,m now back to a clean canvas, I mean the paint just ate through all coats leaving the model in it's pristine unpainted condition just as if I'd never started, WOOHOOO!. This stuff is incredible guys, I had nothing to lose anyway.
I have been practicing my airbrushing and now realise I'm spraying too far away and the mix is just not thinned enough. Every time I spray now I get a smooth even coat and thats with the Floquils as well, which i intend to go back to BTW.
I'm also using a Badger double-action brush as well so definately more practice is the key to getting it right.
BTW, the oven cleaner does not mar the plastic parts at all which makes this product so cool to use if needed, just do the final rinse with mild detergent. I did use a soft old tooth brush to remove a few stubborn areas of old paint though.
So that's it back to the start again!. THIS TIME!!
Thanks for all the advice on this guys
Stu
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Well here it is at last, job done!. I wanted to get this out the way for me to concentrate fully on the big X-Wing. Poor little fella was begging me to finish him so here it is!.
I used a custom mix of Floquil for the main color in the end, which i think came out ok.
Many thanks to everyone who has scratched a bomber here, your work is truly inspirational. Most gratitude goes to Allan(imagineer) for parts info and Lee(ralphee) for the painting advice, thanks guys!
I still have to build a stand as yet, but have a few ideas for a nifty base!.
Stu
I used a custom mix of Floquil for the main color in the end, which i think came out ok.
Many thanks to everyone who has scratched a bomber here, your work is truly inspirational. Most gratitude goes to Allan(imagineer) for parts info and Lee(ralphee) for the painting advice, thanks guys!
I still have to build a stand as yet, but have a few ideas for a nifty base!.
Stu
