TIE Bomber Construction - Take 2

Discussion in 'Studio Scale Models' started by Thrawn2222, May 29, 2002.

  1. Thrawn2222

    Thrawn2222 New Member

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    Well, my questions were answered. Now I am wondering if there is anyone out there that would like to re-make the TIE bomber (i know it's already bee done on the forums) along with me?
     
  2. Boba Flint

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    YOu need both of them.
     
  3. Thrawn2222

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    Well, thats good to know [​IMG]
     
  4. Zac

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    What would be the best way to scribe the lines that run
    around the two tubes?

    Zac
     
  5. Thrawn2222

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    Is the 20mm Flakvierling 38 the one mounted on the back of a truck?
     
  6. TServo4

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    I'm interested, but first we have to round up the parts list from the last one
     
  7. Clerval

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    I'm game, but I'm also unemployed... which means that the last two kits I need have to wait... same with the Falcon and Y, and the TE and Starfighter from Clones. So I draw, re-engineer, etc. Also put an end to picking up more resin and casting supplies, so can't even offer to cast what I have right now, which irks me more than not being able to tackle this directly. But as soon as the slump is over, hell yeah I'm in.
     
  8. saberfool

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    I've always wanted to build one of these,but I must admit, with the arrival of the Hasbro Tie bomber, I couldn't resist. Its one of the best ships they've put out IMO.
     
  9. Thrawn2222

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    Ok, I have a link to the kits needed (courtesy of s_janish)

    Today I found the:
    -Hanomag SdKfz 251/1
    -88mm Flak 36/37
    and
    -the Leopold Railgun

    The list of needed kits can be found here:

    http://s-janish.tamu.edu/studio/

    Its a very nice list.

    I'm in the process of getting molding agents so I can try my hand at molding and casting the pieces so I don't have to buy so many kits. I'll let you know how that comes along when the time comes. I obviously still have a few more kits to find anyways [​IMG] I also ordered the Star Wars Chronicles book yesterday, it is for sale for ONLY 50 dollars at wwwhamiltonbook.com thats 100 dollars off!

    Lets see what we can do with this bad boy! [​IMG]
     
  10. JamesDavis

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    Hey guys be careful with that list. It does not appear to have been updated in years.
     
  11. Clerval

    Clerval Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Thrawn2222 wrote:
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    Ok, I have a link to the kits needed (courtesy of s_janish)

    Today I found the:
    -Hanomag SdKfz 251/1
    -88mm Flak 36/37
    and
    -the Leopold Railgun

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    for the Boarder/Bomber I have these:
    Airfix Saturn V
    MPC Vader TIE
    Tamiya M3 Lee
    Tamiya Hanomag
    Tamiya 88mm Flakvierling
    Tamiya 20mm Flakvierling
    Tamiya 2cm Flak

    Hmmm:
    Tamiya Yamato-original release

    Only two I don't have:
    Hasegawa Leopold
    Hasegawa Morser Karl

    And of course I have tubing, dishes, sheet styrene and rod for the body. If you're gonna be complete, wires too.

    I don't have the Leopold or Morser Karl yet, simply because they're gonna run me about 40-50. Not certain about picking up an old Yamato, I think it may get too pricey. Still, for accuracy, ya know?

    Haven't looked again through the M3 Lee, so can't off the top of my head remember what's used from there. I haven't read a TIE Bomber thread for a long time, is it still on the board? I think some threads may have gone away, and also I'll be damned if I want to prune an old one... ick, anyone thought of doing that? No fun...
    Hopefully some folks can add to this!
     
  12. Thrawn2222

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  13. Clerval

    Clerval Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Wow, okay. 'You're braver than I thought.' [​IMG]
    Hope you get good info from it. If it's an older thread, may be best to take it as suggestions and starting points, unless it seems that a number of models have come from it?
    Hell, perhaps should read through it... maybe I'll get some time this weekend. Thanks for digging it up.
    I should pay more attention to the search feature; this place has a number of answers and suggestions if you only look...

    Cripes it's 11 pages. Not as huge as some, but that's gonna be a lot o' readin'/deciphering... still, if it staves off a few wrong turns... Have at thee!!!!!!!
     
  14. Thrawn2222

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    [​IMG] Your full of funny puns and quotes... [​IMG] Anyways, I should warn you, this is my first attempt at scratchbuilding/kitbashing something. In essence: this may take me a while, and lots of questions [​IMG]
     
  15. Clerval

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    That's cool... since by the time I'm able to get back to working instead of just 'planning it', you'll have done a TIE Bomber, Y-Wing, Falcon, Slave 1 and Sandcrawler!
    Sigh... love the U.S. economy, I certainly do.
     
  16. Thrawn2222

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    Hehe, well, considering how much money I make, it's going to be a slow process as well... [​IMG]

    And no, the US economy sucks... [​IMG]
     
  17. EchoLeader

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    Here are some parts! [​IMG]

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    Rolando
     
  18. TServo4

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    Nice job Rolando. What's that run for? [​IMG]

    Actually, I'm volunteering to put together a "master list" if anyone is interested since I will be putting this together also.
     
  19. -... . .- --..

    -... . .- --.. Sr Member

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    Guys,

    If you gotta have it scratchbuilt then go for it. It'll cost you a lot more than Rolando's kit though, and it probably won't be as accurate or as nice! Rolando is SSM's official Mr. TIE-Bomber...
     
  20. EchoLeader

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    Thanks Beaz..... the check is in the mail [​IMG]

    TServo4- The list you guys have is accurate and I don't see of any other kit that you will need. You have to remember that there will be a fair amount of scratch building involved though. Also, not to mention the multiple kit parts you'll need to cast or use from original kits, it can get expensive as Beaz stated, trust me!

    I don't want to discourage anyone from going ahead if they feel that they want to do theirs from scratch, I'll even help you in any way that I can with info, all you have to do is ask.

    There is however an alternative [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Rolando
     
  21. Clerval

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    Hehhehhhhh...
    Uh-huh... I smells a conspiracy!
    This won't be my first scratch, and in all honesty I've got pretty good track on what I need to do. I just got smacked by the downfall of a few design, game and effects jobs, so this hobby is temporarily suspended in the actual building department.
    There is one thing I wouldn't mind asking for a casting of if anyone's got it, and that is the Yamato tower. I can't tell, not having looked at an original tooling since CA, but I think that all I need is that segment that is used underneath. I haven't seen anything else on the Bomber that looks related to any of the ships, either raw or converted or married to another part to make it almost unrecognizeable.
    I realize though that I'm really missing out in not having the two Hasegawa kits yet, so I am sure I'm in for some pleasant surprises.

    Ha! The image of the 'kit' finally loaded for me... lead me not into temptation, for I can find it myself! Many thanks, but I'm scratching this beast!

    BTW... had noticed only 20 posts here for over 200 views and thought it odd... until I saw that the MF 32" thread has less than 400 posts and over 7000 views!!!
     
  22. Thrawn2222

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    I want to try and do this scratch as much as I can, nice kit though [​IMG] And trust me, we wil be asking for help!
     
  23. Treadwell

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    Great to see activity on this model pick up again.

    May I humbly suggest that further discussion take place on the original thread, and maybe even any mod who's watching could merge this one into it? Let's not spread out info over multiple threads. [​IMG]
     
  24. Brevin Din-Shay

    Brevin Din-Shay Well-Known Member

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    Treadwell, I'll check into your request. Sorry for the delay, it's been eventful lately. [​IMG]

    David
     
  25. Thrawn2222

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    Why combine it? It would just get even more confusing for people looking at that thread I would think. The thread has gone through to completion, so I was creating this one as a place for those of us that have not completed it and wanted to... I dunno, I suppose if it is necessary.
     
  26. Thrawn2222

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    Getting back to topic... If you are going to mold and cast some of the model pieces for this *, what would you use...??? Silicone? Is there a cheaper alternative?
     
  27. Zac

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    Hi everyone, I just wanted to let you know that you
    will also need a Tamiya 25lb field gun (35046) and a Tamiya
    1/700 Shinano (WLA024) to complete your kit list. Hope this
    helps. How's everyone progressing?

    Zac
     
  28. Thrawn2222

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    Thanks! I haven't gotten anywhere further than colelcting kits for this bad boy. I'm currently attempting my first scratchbuild on something a little less difficult to see how well i do [​IMG]
     
  29. Barnstormer

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    Zac -

    Thanks for the 2 new kits for the list. What parts do they provide? Do either of these provide the detail added to the outer hub of the wing, both front and both back surfaces, or the 4 'corner' parts added to the portside outer hub?
     
  30. Zac

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    I'll have to check on the hub parts. The field gun has
    the added detail for the yamato piece. The shinano has
    the details added to the leopold part on top of the
    engine box and the leopold part on top of the torpedo
    tube.

    Zac
     
  31. Thrawn2222

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    Interesting, I will have to look for those! Thanks!
     
  32. DK424

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    Thanks for the heads up on the Shinano kit, Zac! In all the years I've spent looking for parts, this is the first time anyone's mentioned it. Too bad it's been retooled and the correct one is out of production.

    BTW, for all of you looking for the old Yamato kit, go to squadron.com and do a search for Tamiya 1/700 scale. You'll want kit #31105, but be warned. They sell both old and new toolings. Avoid #31113!!
     
  33. Barnstormer

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    Hey, DK424, good tip - I had one in my had a couple of nights ago. So the parts in the current version of the kit are no good? You know this? Bummer.

    Maybe a good question is - what parts are NOT identified? I do not currently have info on:

    The detail on the outer wing hub, front and back surface, both sides - the ribbed flat piece on the back and front edge. (4 pieces.)

    The little block detail above and below the ribbed flat hub piece, top and bottom, front and back, port side only. (4 pieces.)

    The detail piece that sits under the railgun box structure on the top and bottom of the pilot fuselage.

    A tiny detail piece that sits on the front panel between the two hulls - as you face the front, it will be up and left from the "binoculars" (not really binoculars) sitting on top of the battleship deck.

    The side part that sits on the outboard side of either hull just behind the wing strut.

    That part in question on top of the railgun decks that make up the top of the connector between hulls. There is a similar looking part (looks like one half of the top part) on the top of the weapon hull, at about 10:00 or 11:00 facing the front.

    That's about all that I don't have. I realize that this would be clearer with pictures - perhaps I'll start putting up some marked photos over the weekend.

    -mkg
     
  34. DK424

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    Just noticed my attempt above to post a link doesn't work (better luck next time I guess). Yeah, grab those old Yamato kits while you can at www.squadron.com!

    Good eye, Barnstormer! I was beginning to think I was the only one spotting those little, insignifigant details. Those parts are still unknown to me as well. I'm most disappointed that I didn't find the parts that go on the outside of the hulls behind the wing struts. I can say that I always thought the part on top the center section was just 2 of the Hanomag part B14 glued together. Say, if you want to add to the missing list:

    If you look at a head-on shot of the bomber, at the very bottom of the center section, the Flakvierling parts F4 & F5 are attached to a horizontal strip that has detail on it. It's partially covered by the Rodney deck.

    On the Yamato part on the bottom, the Flak 38 seat (part E17) is attached to the front, but there appears to be a thin part with ribbing attached to the end facing the back.

    As we all know, there is piping all over the outside surfaces of the wing extensions (I assume it's styrene stock). Here and there are little odd-shaped bits and pieces attached to this piping.

    Just a little food for thought. I'd post some pictures, but I'm still working to get that working.

    Dan
     
  35. Barnstormer

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    It'll be a race, Dan - I know how to post pictures, but weekends are busy around the house!

    I have an excellent photo of the part behind the Rodney deck that I have to put up. I just spotted that detail last night. I think it may be in one of the known kits; I have to spend some quality time with my parts box.

    The piece behind the Yamoto piece is eluding me as well.

    I'm actually pretty inclined to agree about the Hanomag part. I looked at it REALLY closely at MoM, and I think that's what it is, as well.

    More later...
     
  36. Barnstormer

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    Here are some of the photos of what I'm talking about.

    http://members.aol.com/barnstormer64/tb1.jpg

    There's the hub details. The large ribbed part appears front and back, port and starboard. The two little boxes appear top and bottom, front and back, but on the portside wing only.

    http://members.aol.com/barnstormer64/tb2.jpg
    http://members.aol.com/barnstormer64/tb3.jpg

    Here is the part applied under the Rodney deck. Anybody recognize it?

    This third picture is not one that I took - if it's yours and you'd like it removed, PM me. This is the clearest, best picture of the piece behind/under the Rodney deck.

    http://members.aol.com/barnstormer64/tb5.jpg

    Here are some of the other parts that I'd like to track down. Anybody know this one?

    http://members.aol.com/barnstormer64/tb6.jpg

    I found the part labeled #1 in the Shinano. What about the little detail labeled #2? Anybody know where that came from?

    http://members.aol.com/barnstormer64/tb4.jpg
     
  37. Treadwell

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    The ribs on the part on the hubs strike me as the BACK side of a part--perhaps a nameplate from a model display stand.

    The part in tb6.jpg looks like a part from a NASA rocket or somesuch--considering the LEMs and Saturns that were sitting around the ILM shop...(or WERE they after the move to Marin? I've had the impression that Dykstra held on to the ANH donor models, given the cross-pollination of parts on the Galactica).
     
  38. Zac

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    Part 1 is from the Shinano(part #29). The wing ribs look
    like they also come from the shinano as well. It looks to
    me like they used the underside of the carriers deck. The
    25lb field gun has the detail added to the yamato piece
    (part #X16). As far as the other details, I haven't found
    them yet, but I get new models constantly. It's just a matter
    of time...

    Zac
     
  39. Barnstormer

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    RE part 29 from the Shinano - is there only one per kit? In other words - if I'm not resin casting I need 2 of this kit? I may finally break down and use a cast part...
     
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  41. Thrawn2222

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    Wowzers [​IMG] [​IMG] thats just what we need. Now we need to find out what language thatis and get it on our computers!
     
  42. moffeaton

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    Plug the URL into the translator... but it still translates wonky.
     
  43. Thrawn2222

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    Just a bit wonky [​IMG]
     
  44. Zac

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    You only need 1 shinano for the Bomber. There are
    12 part #29's in the Kit.

    Zac
     
  45. Thrawn2222

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    Is the shinano Tamiya? And is there a resculpted version?
     
  46. Zac

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    The Shinano is a 1/700 Tamiya kit. There is a retooled
    shinano currently available, but the parts you need do
    not come with the retooled version(31215).

    Zac
     
  47. Barnstormer

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    OK, the hobby shop I went to had two different versions of the Shinano with two different kit numbers. I have to check the box again for the 31215 number - there is also a different number; 2200 on one, I think 2600 or 2800 on the other? Anyway, one was $39, the other was $29! I bought the less expensive one, not to be cheap, but because it had the lower number and I was hoping that it would be the older kit. I can't vouch for the other kit, but the one I bought seems to have the right parts.

    As a side note, it is a pretty neat model. I would almost consider getting the newer version just to build it.

    There was no trace of the wing-hub braces that I am looking for, or any other parts that I could recognize from the bomber.
     
  48. Zac

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    Barnstormer, did you check the underside of the flightdeck?
    Look at the very front and back of the part. They need to be
    cutup and trimed down to the correct size to fit the hub sides.

    Zac
     
  49. emojo5

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    So, my hobby shop has two versions of the Tamiya Shinano in 1/700. One kit is numbered #210 and the other one is #215. Does anyone know which one is the correct kit to buy for this project? Thanks.

    -emojo5
     
  50. Zac

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    Get the 210. It has the correct parts.

    Zac
     

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