Things you're tired of seeing in movies

[drusselmeyer]

Breasts on non-mammalian females.

 

[MissLusyd]

Jared Leto.

 

[greenmachines]

Jared Leto.

As in please De-Leto

 

[Riceball]

Just a little wrench here..... Hussars. Rank begets F A N C Y !!!! Yes, the grunts sometimes have gruntwear, with the exception of P51's examples, column soldiers were impressive for thousands of years. Working attire, non combat, definitely down a few categories of style, very casual. But in every instance, in real history, rank gains adornment per level. At no time would the captain of the ship wear the same attire as a grunt but just in a different color. Communication is key. Authority is paramount. Communication from an authority cannot be left to ruin because someone doesn't recognize the rank of the speaker. I can suspend disbelief and run with color equals rank but historically this does not seem to have occurred. But, even though many grunts have worn grunt attire, many over hundreds of years, worked daily jobs in very sharp dress uniforms. So much history and so many examples from both views, hard to pinpoint a true average.

Historically, color indicated nationality, duties/job, and unit. In the British army of old regular infantry would wear would the famous red coat, but each regiment would have a different facing color so you could what regiment an individual belonged to. Riflemen wore green coats and I believe that artillery wore blue. This was likely all so that an officer can tell at glance which men are his and at higher levels, can tell the difference from the different kinds of troops from a distance. The Marine still does this, to a degree today. There is a Marine unit known as the beach party whose job is to organize things during a beach landing, directing arriving units and personnel to their designated rally points. So that everybody knows that they're beach party members and not just random Marines, they have small red square sewn on to their cammies and covers, something the members of this unit or units have done since WWII.

 

[greenmachines]

Historically, color indicated nationality, duties/job, and unit. In the British army of old regular infantry would wear would the famous red coat, but each regiment would have a different facing color so you could what regiment an individual belonged to. Riflemen wore green coats and I believe that artillery wore blue. This was likely all so that an officer can tell at glance which men are his and at higher levels, can tell the difference from the different kinds of troops from a distance. The Marine still does this, to a degree today. There is a Marine unit known as the beach party whose job is to organize things during a beach landing, directing arriving units and personnel to their designated rally points. So that everybody knows that they're beach party members and not just random Marines, they have small red square sewn on to their cammies and covers, something the members of this unit or units have done since WWII.

Which all makes sense because you can expect managers to ask for their jobs to be as easy as possible. "Your crew wears red."

 

[joberg]

Which all makes sense because you can expect managers to ask for their jobs to be as easy as possible. "Your crew wears red."

Still on a aircraft carrier: different color shirt means different jobs.

Yellow shirts:

Red shirts:

Purple shirts:

Blue shirts:

White shirts:

 

[p51]

I wouldn't say that because, aside from Generations, we never see the crews of the Enterprise D, Voyager, or DS9 switch back and forth between the 2 designs. The Enterprise crew always wore their style of uniforms, Voyager there's, and DS9 started out with Voyager style uniforms but later moved to 1st Contact style uniforms. So this suggests to me that they're all completely different uniforms and not different classes of uniform.

As for the Lower Decks style uniform, that's unique to the Cerritos or at least the crews of Cali class ships. When they showed Riker and the Titan, everybody there were wearing the First Contact style uniforms and when Boimler later transferred to the Titan he wore the same style of uniform as the rest of the crew aboard the Titan. So the LD style uniform is not standard issue and did not replace the 1st Contact style uniforms. At best, they're a new uniform that they're looking to make standard and are currently field testing them on Cali class ships.

Regardless, my point still stands. People in Trek and other sci-fi franchises are still running around in the equivalent of service dress uniforms instead of something more comfortable and practical like the blue coveralls that the US Navy has started to issue for standard wear aboard ships for both enlisted and officers. Before that, officers and Chiefs wore khakis that didn't seem too uncomfortable, although not as practical as the coveralls are. And if we go back to the age of sail, yes, officers wore what would be the equivalent of dress uniforms now a days, but not the enlisted personnel who did all of the work. Officers could get away with the uniforms they wore because they wouldn't be doing any of the work, they'd just stand around and supervise. On the ground that's a different matter, but linear warfare was different than modern warfare and troops back then didn't regularly run around diving for cover. Besides, by the late 19th century simpler, less elaborate uniforms were coming into being, at least for enlisted personnel with drab colored uniforms starting to come into being by the early 30th century.

That and you absolutely NEVER see people in scifi military garb on a planet's surface with anything resembling a canteen or any kind of satchel or pack for the stuff you would need.

 

[drusselmeyer]

Stargate the film had this.

 

[Astyanax]

Stargate the film had this.

In Stargate they were planning on a quick in-and-out. Literally minutes. The plan changed when O'Neil asked Jackson to go ahead and dial home and he couldn't.

 

[drusselmeyer]

Despite planning a quick trip, they took enough essentials to last several days... well, except for the sunscreen.

 

[Astyanax]

Despite planning a quick trip, they took enough essentials to last several days... well, except for the sunscreen.

Did they, though? I got the impression that they were in dire straights until the villagers fed and bedded them. Especially with Jackson giving away candy bars...

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but didn't they bring crates of supplies (in addition to the nuke)? When Ra landed that cut off anything they had stashed at the gate.

In SG1, you would occasionally see them wearing packs and then they would show them unclipping them and stashing them before going further on to the village or wherever they we checking out.

 

[blewis17]

This problem is pretty common and most likely based on projected market forces rather than artistic license.

You are absolutely correct, but just needs one tiny adjustment...

"This problem is pretty common and DEFINITELY based on projected market forces rather than artistic license."

 

[drusselmeyer]

It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but didn't they bring crates of supplies (in addition to the nuke)? When Ra landed that cut off anything they had stashed at the gate.

In SG1, you would occasionally see them wearing packs and then they would show them unclipping them and stashing them before going further on to the village or wherever they we checking out.

Yes. The nuke was hidden in the secret compartment of the MULE.

 

[Strikerkc]

... People in Trek and other sci-fi franchises are still running around in the equivalent of service dress uniforms instead of something more comfortable and practical like..

While we know the costumes themselves were not super comfy, and had their quirks (the Picard "straightening" maneuver) I've always essentially come at it from the standpoint that those WERE the equivalent of work overalls. All purpose protection and comfort gear. Especially when you occasionally see what is the ACTUAL formal uniform coats and jackets they occasionally wore (the knee length coat thing, the jacket, and the white top, and the way TOS has the red jacket in the films). Often times when they'd call Starfleet and speak with another captain or admiral, the admiral clearly had on some high collared formal uniform because they were at a desk job, while Picard and riker were in their "work" uniform.

 

[Strikerkc]

And also, if O'Brien never bitched about the uniform, could it really be considered a problem?

 

[greenmachines]

And also, if O'Brien never bitched about the uniform, could it really be considered a problem?

Wow, you are so right, it is stunning. Using O'Brien as the frog in the environmental impact study. Study attempts to answer "Is this bad?". Indicators used "Frogs die first / O'Brien whines". Peer review of the research ends with "Well, You had me at O'Brien".

 

[p51]

Dear Star Trek:
STOP making new uniforms for each ship for each new season of Trek!
One of the things I liked about the original show is it showed a slow progression of uniform changes.  Now with 'Discovery,' they almost have a different uniform for everyone per episode!

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

The only time that made sense was when the uniforms changed and Voyager had different uniforms because they were out of contact.



I think this has been mentioned, numerous times, but people not knowing how to salute in movies! I finally watched that Battleship movie and Liam Neeson has one of the sloppiest salutes ever and he was portraying an admiral. Since most privates know how to salute before boot is over, I'm guessing an admiral would have it down by then... I didn't even serve and could pull of a proper salute, so there's no excuse.

 

[drusselmeyer]

I have to disagree here. After a certain point, the higher the rank, the less the obligation to salute correctly.

There was a joke about a wallymart employee who got called into a manager's office due to his tardiness. The manager only knew that the employee had been in the military and not much else.

The manager asked the older man what would happen to him if he showed up late to work like he had been doing recently.

The older man laughed to himself about what happened at work before he retired and told the manager.

"Well, someone would come up to me and say, can I get your coffee Admiral?"