Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Maybe in some ideal world there are no "Buts". Sadly, the numbers of $84mil are a rather HUGE "But" of Sir Mix-A-Lot proportions. You are under the impression that it is NOT preserved. We simply do not know.
The Official Boycott Star Wars Bluray thread
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Solo4114
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Well, there's a difference between "preserved in the deep recesses of the Library of Congress" and "preserved so that it is available for mass consumption." I expect the former is true. The latter clearly is not, and that's what folks want. Not preservation in the sense of "Save the art! Make sure a copy of it remains in the Smithsonian" or something, but rather "I want to be able to watch these films, without the special edition stuff, on the latest home media."
The Rock-a-who
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I've been saying, just like he announced he would not release the OT on DVD, he did. He will do the same for Blu-Ray shortly after sales of SE start slumping which I suspect would be next Spring or Summer with a press release similar to the DVD announcement "We listend and heard everyone and now we proudly release the OT on Blu-Ray..."
No, it won't be a clean version for Blu-Ray, just like people had problems with the DVD release.
Let me be clear: We will NEVER get an uber-transfer of the unaltered OT on <insert current media format here> as long as Lucas is in charge of his comapny. Period.
Why? Lucas views the OOT vs OTSE as an art integrity thing. In his eyes, he feels the OTSE will "eventually" (because he keeps tweaking it) be his vision he wants.
Once he is no longer in charge of the company, whoever takes his place, while that person may share his passion for Star Wars, I can almost guarantee what that person will care more about is the profit margin, and that means that person most definately knows releasing the OOT is an additional cash cow.
Sucks for us wanting the OOT because we want it now. We have to wait. But we have before and we'll continue to wait because of our love of Star Wars.
No, it won't be a clean version for Blu-Ray, just like people had problems with the DVD release.
Let me be clear: We will NEVER get an uber-transfer of the unaltered OT on <insert current media format here> as long as Lucas is in charge of his comapny. Period.
Why? Lucas views the OOT vs OTSE as an art integrity thing. In his eyes, he feels the OTSE will "eventually" (because he keeps tweaking it) be his vision he wants.
Once he is no longer in charge of the company, whoever takes his place, while that person may share his passion for Star Wars, I can almost guarantee what that person will care more about is the profit margin, and that means that person most definately knows releasing the OOT is an additional cash cow.
Sucks for us wanting the OOT because we want it now. We have to wait. But we have before and we'll continue to wait because of our love of Star Wars.
dualedge
Sr Member
Technically, the $84 million just shows that people will take what they can get, that they want Star Wars and that most of them aren't as hardcore about it as most of us.
We knew all of that when this thread first started and predicted the set would be successful. I know Dan and I have been saying the same things from the very start of these threads about the blu-ray set's release.
But there's nobody that bought the set that wouldn't have also wanted that $90 purchase to include the original OT movies.
Star Wars is a commercial franchise so fans respectfully letting Lucas and his company know what they want is now the ONLY way for us to send a message since all he's got now is a judgement based on a well selling set that gave us no other alternatives.
So, if you're going to debate with me about this the question you're going to have to answer is this - what's the harm in asking for it? (and hopefully asking in unison with other fans so that it might actually have a chance at getting noticed.)
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I am not saying there IS any harm in asking. Not even a little. Hell, I would be all over it like a cheap suit. That said, I haven't got unrealistic expectations that Lucas sees us as anything BUT a cash crop to keep the Lucas Legacy alive for generations to come.
The man will do what HE wants. I find it amusing that it is coming out that some of the WORST scenes from KotCS are being attributed to Spielberg, but people are so quick to malign Lucas.
Again allow me to state: There is no harm at all in asking. All I am saying is stop getting your hopes up that our cries will reach him when the money is still rolling in.
Solo4114
Master Member
Oh, I don't think anyone EXPECTS him to change his mind. Rather this is the only way that the possibility of it happening even enters the picture.
And it would need to be framed as a suped-up, hi-def, transfer of the original films.
Honestly, I'd settle PURELY for an anamorphic high-def transfer with surround sound a la the theatrical versions. By that, I mean blemishes and all. TIE fighter boxes, wampa stocking arms, transparent canopies in snowspeeders, etc. The only thing I'd want corrected is film grain. That's it. Actually, even that I could live with. I just want it in anamorphic hi-def with surround sound is all. Get it as close to the theatrical experience as possible.
I don't need the cleanup, color correction (unless you have really deteriorated source material), digital enhancements, etc. I don't need ANY of that. Just give me an anamorphic hi-def transfer with surround sound, and I'll be a happy camper. Hell, I'd even buy the full set if I could get that as part of it.
For me, the biggest flaw with the 2006 "extra" disc was that it's a low-def non-anamorphic laserdisc transfer. But that's really my only problem. If you can fill the screen with high definition, and I can set up my surround sound speakers so I can hear laserbolts whiz by my head, I'm good. I don't need any other fixes, tweaks, cleanup, etc.
And it would need to be framed as a suped-up, hi-def, transfer of the original films.
Honestly, I'd settle PURELY for an anamorphic high-def transfer with surround sound a la the theatrical versions. By that, I mean blemishes and all. TIE fighter boxes, wampa stocking arms, transparent canopies in snowspeeders, etc. The only thing I'd want corrected is film grain. That's it. Actually, even that I could live with. I just want it in anamorphic hi-def with surround sound is all. Get it as close to the theatrical experience as possible.
I don't need the cleanup, color correction (unless you have really deteriorated source material), digital enhancements, etc. I don't need ANY of that. Just give me an anamorphic hi-def transfer with surround sound, and I'll be a happy camper. Hell, I'd even buy the full set if I could get that as part of it.
For me, the biggest flaw with the 2006 "extra" disc was that it's a low-def non-anamorphic laserdisc transfer. But that's really my only problem. If you can fill the screen with high definition, and I can set up my surround sound speakers so I can hear laserbolts whiz by my head, I'm good. I don't need any other fixes, tweaks, cleanup, etc.
Filandrius
Sr Member
Truer words never spoken.
dualedge
Sr Member
I don't have unrealistic expectations. I've actually got no expectations either way. I just spent $30 on a 2006 DVD just to get the bonus disc so I know that's my only alternative for watching the original for the foreseeable future. (I'm planning to get the 2006 ESB and RotJ for their bonus discs... just need to spread out the purchases a little. All told, I'll probably spend $30 on each of those I'm guessing from the prices I've seen - that says something for demand right there.)
I see it as an "if/then" scenario. I do hold out some small hope that if we stop bickering and start agreeing that we all want the original OT and can communicate that somewhat respectfully and effectively, maybe then we'd at least have a chance at being heard.
It'd also be a shame to not get it because we didn't ask and that goes for folks that love the PT and new OT just as much as those that prefer the original OT.
I would love for someone at the next Celebration, assuming Lucas makes an appearance, to stand up and ask him about it. The room would go crazy and it might get the message going.
PHArchivist
Master Member
Curious - thinking about an archival version registered in the Library of Congress - do film works bear a numerical control or standardization system such as an ISBN for literary works?
Accordingly, An ISBN (International Standard Book Number) is assigned to each edition and variation (except reprintings) of a book.
So, in following, if in the film industry a similar control number exists for works of film, would not the original Star Wars bear a separate number than the 1997 version?
Not sure what impact this has on the overall debate/discussion, but I am curious...
I suppose if such a system does exist in the film industry, and if in fact the original release of Star Wars bears a unique control number, then the questions arises if the version and/or control number could ever be stricken from record.
robn1
Master Member
Don't give George any ideas, 'cause I swear he'll do it
I have not bought them yet, i don't even have any of the original trilogy on any format, i gave them away some time ago.
i still for some strange reason still have the prequels on dvd.
i put AOTC on the other night, what a pile of crap. seriously major league garbage, as for episode 1 FFS!
if i get anything on blu ray it wiill be the original trilogy but i will wait till it comes right down in price.
or i'll borrow and rip them to hard drive.
-z
i still for some strange reason still have the prequels on dvd.
i put AOTC on the other night, what a pile of crap. seriously major league garbage, as for episode 1 FFS!
if i get anything on blu ray it wiill be the original trilogy but i will wait till it comes right down in price.
or i'll borrow and rip them to hard drive.
-z
SVTStingRay
Sr Member
darth_myeek
Sr Member
Best thing that could happen is someone cafe-presses a "Free the OOT" T-shirt that goes viral and large majority of C-6ers wear it to the con.
cayman shen
Master Member
Colin Droidmilk
Sr Member
I'm with you - apart from the film grain. I want film grain. I don't want no super-smooth airbrushed crap.
darth_myeek
Sr Member
I was pitching the concept, not a slogan. Although 10k to 30k people wearing an obscure slogan "FREE THE OOT" might be raise an eyebrow with social media. George is a sadist, not an idiot. He'll get the message.
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